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Jolteon Taylor
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:20:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: uyoi
Edited by: uyoi on 30/06/2011 15:18:52
How many days are these meetings expected to last?

2, 30th and 1st of july.

YarrMama
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:22:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Juil
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead


@


@evenews24 forgive MY bluntness; I have tweeted multiple times we will discuss the non-vanity MT issue ALL DAY tomorrow. #csm6 #tweetfleet

off to sleep


Hmmm, thought this would be #1 priority for CCP and CSM, so why not get it out of the way first. I guess CCP is wining and dining before they F$%& us over. Very Happy

Xythe Marstolt
Minmatar
Stark Industries PtyLtd
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:23:00 - [213]
 

Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
$99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet

Kira Summer
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:24:00 - [214]
 

Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
$99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet
16 minutes ago

uyoi
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:25:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
$99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet


Wasn't that issue fixed/clarified last week?

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:25:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
$99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet


What's her name?

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:26:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: Tla Atij on 30/06/2011 15:26:19
What is all this bull****?! "We're having very blunt talks", "We're having interesting talks", "We're making progress", "We're being productive."

Who the hell cares for this filler ****? SHOW ME THE MONEY!

The CSM talks like CCP, all fluff no content.

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:26:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:26:39

Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
$99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet


See, they even discuss stuff that has been a priority for many until it got snowed under by other concerns. Stand behind this elected body, the CSM, pilots. They're all we've got to help us all further and prevent further escalation. We're all on the same side here even though some of you might have forgotten that. Besides, how many of you actually took part in the CSM election process?

(Also, I'm reminded of a scientific article about how pessimism, negativity and depression are genetic traits. But I digress.)

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:26:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Hustler Funk
Originally by: Cydori
This meeting is simply to help them refine the message and roll out the changes in such a way that it avoids mass protests by the playerbase and the bad press associated with that.


Aren't they a bit too late then?


This is the lipstick on a pig moment

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:28:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte
Well from following the twitter thing, it looks like a lot of bla bla bla and we still havnt addresd the real isuue yet.



They have to do the bla bla bla that is the dog and pony show!

Otherwise why call the meeting right? I mean if CCP just wanted to tell people what they were going to do in light of the player outrage they could have just posted it on the forums.

But to get the full pr effect they need to create the illusion that they really wanted to hear from the csm and carefully consider every word of a day long intense meeting. Rolling Eyes

Wishdokkta CEO
The Riot Formation
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:28:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: BtodaC
Originally by: Kane Molou

Part of the problem with 'paitence' though is that people are at a point where Paitence isn't going to last.. we've been waiting over a WEEK for answers...
The big one is that instead they can 'spin' what ever they want...
the [sic] is NO Transparency between CCP and US, because we don't get to see ANY of these meetings only what they WANT to show us.


1) A WHOLE WEEK my god thatís such a long time! (sarcasm)
2) Spin doesnít work so well on the endless hardcore cynics like yourself and all the other angry impatient types.
3) If you play the game and learn how it works then you will have all the transparency you need. Either they make it better or worse.

Given that this new expansion leaves 99% of the game untouched (the 1% being that you cant spin ships in station any more) and adds an additional percent which is totally ignorable in game (NEX, AUR etc.) I cant help but laugh at your hyperbolic commentary.
Cheer up!


This

Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:29:00 - [222]
 

For those that think the removal of ship spinning isn't something to get worked up over...

The ship hangar has been part of the game for 9+ years. It's part of EVE's personality. Heck I was already disappointed when CCP replaced the station environments with 1-generic-one-per-race. The old ones had more character (anyone remember the holographic Quafe girl?).

There's various other reasons why removing the hangar and forcing CQ is a bad plan too. Plenty of RP reasons (why would I want to get out of my ship in hostile environment), and practical reasons (if I'm only picking up cargo or ammo, why would I get out of my ship), etc.


Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:30:00 - [223]
 

Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:33:46

Also:

Originally by: @wgfinley W. Guy Finley

@evenews24 One school of thought is you build some trust discussing peripheral issues before you get to the big one(s). #tweetfleet #csm6


Remind me to never invite the vinegar urinaters to my Quarters.

Inherent Vice
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:30:00 - [224]
 

Itīs all nice talking, love and harmony. Tommorow afternoon CCP will dictate a "joint statement" and the CSM have the choice to agree or resign and travel back on their own costs.

*tinfoilhat-moment*

BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:31:00 - [225]
 

Quote:
3. I've played the game for a long time now and CCP very very rarely does exactly what they 'say' they are going to do.. else faction warefare, space combat issue, etc etc etc would all have been fixed.. a long time ago and WIS / Ambillation would have been out 3 years ago.


If you can grasp just how complex eve is then you can appreciate just how difficult it is to add and amend content. Just giving us graphical difference to bpo's and bpc's without killing the server took a revamp of the database code. CCP even told us how they bought about this change and the complex challenges it posed. They were more transparent about it than most games companies would be.
The point some people fail to grasp is that all the gameplay that we all took part in before this update is still there. If you wish to cancel your account because eve introduce pay to win, fine (I would too) but to cancel it because they introduced 'pay for monocles' is rather over the top.

Kira Summer
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:32:00 - [226]
 

Course the 99$ api fee could be just a smokescreen, as although it also is causing discord it isn't the reason that this meeting has been called. So why not deal with what this meeting should be addressing, or is it easier to deal with it last thing tomorrow leaving no time for discussion as CSM have to fly home, and then in future CCP can refer back to this failed propaganda meeting to show how they are prepared to meet the player base, hmm?

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:34:00 - [227]
 

Newsflash: CCP already admitted that was dumb and that they would change it. I'm sure they added that to the list of concessions to make csm seem credible and I imagine csm6 will be quick to claim that battle for themselves.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1528607&page=32#942

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:26:39

Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
$99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet


See, they even discuss stuff that has been a priority for many until it got snowed under by other concerns. Stand behind this elected body, the CSM, pilots. They're all we've got to help us all further and prevent further escalation. We're all on the same side here even though some of you might have forgotten that. Besides, how many of you actually took part in the CSM election process?

(Also, I'm reminded of a scientific article about how pessimism, negativity and depression are genetic traits. But I digress.)

Hustler Funk
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:35:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Hustler Funk
Originally by: Cydori
This meeting is simply to help them refine the message and roll out the changes in such a way that it avoids mass protests by the playerbase and the bad press associated with that.


Aren't they a bit too late then?


This is the lipstick on a pig moment


/popcorn for the pig in drag moment.

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:35:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:35:47

Originally by: jackaloped
Newsflash: CCP already admitted that was dumb and that they would change it. I'm sure they added that to the list of concessions to make csm seem credible and I imagine csm6 will be quick to claim that battle for themselves.


They said they would reiterate after summer. Maybe this got speeded up now.

Got vinegar?

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:36:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Seleene_EVESeleene
#CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet


Am I the only one frightened (though not surprised) by that tweet? How many people give a **** about how the prices were perceived? Shouldn't the CSM concentrate on being VERY blunt about what is going to be on sale rather then the price structure?


Yeah, what the prices are is not nearly as important as what will be for sale. I agree.

However, as a player, whether you care about vanity, convenience, non-game affecting stuff or not the prices are important. At present they are exclusive of a large majority of the game. Translated, that means CCP is developing content for only those with large pocketbooks and the rest of us are only along for the ride. This is not how, those of us who aren't/can't participate in the NeX want to be perceived by CCP.

With its current offerings, the NeX would have been a success and much to do about nothing had its offerings not been inclusive of only about 20% of the playerbase. While many more people can actually buy a monocle if they really wanted to, realistically, they can't afford the isk or the cash to participate on a regular basis. And so, it's excluded a large percentage of the playerbase. This was most definitely a bad decision on CCP's part.

The CSM is most likely being lead around by the mivoks. I see CCP controlling the discussions, not the CSM.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:42:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: jackaloped on 30/06/2011 15:44:51
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:35:47

Originally by: jackaloped
Newsflash: CCP already admitted that was dumb and that they would change it. I'm sure they added that to the list of concessions to make csm seem credible and I imagine csm6 will be quick to claim that battle for themselves.


They said they would reiterate after summer. Maybe this got speeded up now.

Got vinegar?


I'm sure it did! They want to give csm as "representatives of the players" credit for everything they possibly can. That is good pr.

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:43:00 - [232]
 

Give em time guy's let them get their ducks in a row
that way when the official statement comes out we can all print a copy for ourselves. Then if CCP even goes back on their word, we can all ship a cardboard box we have crapped in Very Happyto iceland with that memo inside
p.s. make sure you send it C.O.D for $1000.00 (the cost of zulu's pant )Razz

ed jeni
SKULLDOGS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:44:00 - [233]
 

[list][*]
Quote:
Just to be clear... almost no-one is ****ed about the $70 monocle or any of the prices... just flabergasted.


the plain fact is that eve has and does bring in a good profit
CCP decided that they would use this income to finance not 1 new game but 2 new games based on some crazy idea that eve would be able to pay for it all with incredible growth in signups post incursion/incarna.

so programmers beaver away designing dust and WOD while the amount of people working on EVE content/fixes/improvments drops to a trickle.

unsuprisingly, due to the content and fixes not really being there, neither are the subscriber increases, quid pro quo.

so CCP have 1 cash cow, and 2 cash drains, and it doesnt really take an economist to figure out that this is a bad place to be in.

CCP ego forbids them admiting this might mean axeing 1 or other cash drain.

CCP ego forbids them from working hard on eve to produce content and therefore subscribers

the end result is leverage eve to make up the shortfall and bring dust and WOD to market on time, for a huge salary bonus.

CSM really are unable to resolve what is a fundemental screwup by CCP and we will be left with the legacy of CCP working on 2 major new products, which will cost a huge amount in cash and man hours.

best outcome is ccp stop leveraging eve and fund the mess from bank loans, but we will still be left with no meaningful content/bug fixes/improvements or balancing until the new games are released and fixed. which seeing how CCP do things might be in 5 years time.

Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:45:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 30/06/2011 15:52:35
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Seleene_EVESeleene
#CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet


Am I the only one frightened (though not surprised) by that tweet? How many people give a **** about how the prices were perceived? Shouldn't the CSM concentrate on being VERY blunt about what is going to be on sale rather then the price structure?


i noticed that 1 aswell and was wondering why they are discussing such an issue as that doesnt concern many, and surely mostly have been the international press making the nex prises an issue and not the players, why involve csm in that , AS WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICING.

Tester128
Fremen Sietch
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:47:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: YarrMama
Originally by: Juil
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead


@


@evenews24 forgive MY bluntness; I have tweeted multiple times we will discuss the non-vanity MT issue ALL DAY tomorrow. #csm6 #tweetfleet







i'm kinda can't stretch my mind around this one. a whole day discussion on simple yes or no answer?

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:49:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield
Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.

Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.


That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.

Your attempted point here is weak.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:54:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Luckytania


That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.




BLOODY CAPITALISTS!!

BETTER RED THAN DEAD, eh...Lucky Wink

BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:56:00 - [238]
 

Quote:
AS WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICING.


Who is this we?
Do you think you speak for the entire eve player base?
Do you honestly think that CCP can get away from this mess without expanding on the question of whether it will be just vanity items or not?

CCP Zulu:
Quote:
there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.


They need to go further than this but that will take a decision that will be far reaching. Could CCP introduce a mechanism for buying a titan pilot alt with AUR without breaking the game? If they rule it out now they will never try and we will never know. I would rather CCP thinks long and hard before an announcement than rushing in and regretting it later.

Amar Azaph
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:57:00 - [239]
 

Anyone who thinks that the players wishes are subservient to a CSM's own self interest is frankly speaking, living in cuckoo land.
CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.

Ilmunel
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:00:00 - [240]
 

ccp dont want to answer main question, so i think they decided to go beyond vanity items, and csm will be used to tell it us


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