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Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:44:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.


Thanks Trebor, much appreciated.

Elaine Eza
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:47:00 - [362]
 

Quote:

Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?



What about "convinience sales" a.k.a extra fitting slots etc. where CCP first takes a feature away from the game
and then reimplments it for customers paying extra. Is this part of that discussion aswell? Is there also a discussion about removing all microtransactions? Is the CSM already sold on the idea of vanity items?

tika te
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:52:00 - [363]
 

Edited by: tika te on 30/06/2011 18:52:55
Edited by: tika te on 30/06/2011 18:52:04
thx for update trebor...atm every update and information the player get is apreciated..

but you ppl had an 3hours session about nex and pricing without talking about the master question? wtf??

have you actually made clear to the ccp guys that the nex shop is tolerated at best - 2/3 of the players would like to see it disapear to where it came from..
how can ccp talk about a "strategy" here?? this is a monthly-subscripbtion-game. either we get all it has to offer for our 15 or eve is f2p with a ingameshop...no doublebilling for content!!

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:54:00 - [364]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 30/06/2011 18:54:48
Originally by: "Trebor on his blog"
CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.

Originally by: "TheMittani on Twitter"
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv

i have the impression they will give us back the old hangar view, or something similar.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: Elaine Eza
NDA means Non Disclosure Agreement. When Information covered by it appears in the meeting minutes in can be x-ed out. Just like it has been in the past. Beyond that there is not much to understand about this.

It means you have to pick your words very carefully as you are moving through legal territory and this requires work, time and experience.

What most of us want is not a detailed report, but a proper game. Anything else will get cast aside by most until it happens. So why waste time? A statement by the CCP, with guidance by the CSM, will provide us, the CSM and CCP with a plan where EVE will be heading next.

We do not have to agree to it and accept this new direction, just as CCP may freely decide over their fate. We still can give it the thumbs down. Only problem is how many thumbs will remain down and how many will go up. Everyone will need to interpret the result for themselves and make their decision.

The CSM is here the messenger, who is working for both sides, not only for us. Let us not kill them before the meetings are over.

Elaine Eza
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
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I just noticed that meissa has acknoledged the meeting minutes will be released. Thanks Meissa.
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
They are, and they will be released as soon as we agree that they correctly portray the stance each participant had.


Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:14:00 - [367]
 

I thought it would be a good time to break out this article again.

The CSM: A well thought out scam by CCP

Zeg Quul
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 - [368]
 

Edited by: Zeg Quul on 30/06/2011 19:21:09
Originally by: Mervent
I thought it would be a good time to break out this article again.

The CSM: A well thought out scam by CCP


bump. I like this one:


"Hilmar Petursson, CCP’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview. “Eve Online is not a computer game. It is an emerging nation, and we have to address it like a nation being accused of corruption"





MailDeadDrop
Headline tomorrow: Entire CSM6 Struck Down by Food Poisoning! CCP_Zulu Announces early elections for CSM7! #tweetfleet

octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 - [369]
 

thank you for update trebor.

Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.


Thanks for the write up. Look forward to a full report...

Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:22:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: Raid'En
(...)
i have the impression they will give us back the old hangar view, or something similar.


I won't bet on it, you'll probably get some free aurums to spend instead...

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:39:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.



I can already taste the damage control coming. And PR spin machine at work.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:44:00 - [373]
 

ive got a strange feeling that the beating around the bush continues.. CSM is playing it too safe.. i would have demanded an answer today not some bull**** lets wait till tomorrow.... If my doctor did a treatment on me because i had cancer (NeX) and while he is looking at my results i ask him if it is getting better or worse and he doesn't answer and says im sorry i just cant answer that today.. i would assume its getting worse...

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:48:00 - [374]
 

Still waiting for the million dollar question...ugh

Neftaran
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:53:00 - [375]
 

Who cares it will be nothing more than lies to calm the masses.

Sijakta Ho Pakrsh
Sultanate of Rum
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:53:00 - [376]
 

"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate."

~Sun Tzu

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:59:00 - [377]
 

MR CSM GUY.

Can you ask if we can have the old spinny hanger view back with an option to enter CQ?

this is mine and every one in my corps bug bear about incarna, it needs to be optional, like CCp said it would be

Terrante
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:03:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: H Zebra
MR CSM GUY.

Can you ask if we can have the old spinny hanger view back with an option to enter CQ?

this is mine and every one in my corps bug bear about incarna, it needs to be optional, like CCp said it would be



Quote:
The Mittani
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv


H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:18:00 - [379]
 

Edited by: H Zebra on 30/06/2011 20:18:29
Originally by: Terrante
Originally by: H Zebra
MR CSM GUY.

Can you ask if we can have the old spinny hanger view back with an option to enter CQ?

this is mine and every one in my corps bug bear about incarna, it needs to be optional, like CCp said it would be



Quote:
The Mittani
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv




first time since incarna there has been good news

OHU812
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:50:00 - [380]
 

I can see the headlines now:


Breaking news!

The CSM body stormed out of CCP's HQ just minutes ago after 2 days of heavy talks with CCP and about the future of "Cash Cow" aka EVE. CCP refused to answer direct questions which caused talks to stall. CCP is considering the dismantling of CSM body since there seems to be no possibility of reconciliation.

Ultimate solution to the problem.

1.)CSM is off the hook. A nice 2 day break from RL.
2.)CCP can close communications forever. Just send out a survey anytime they want to know something.

Face it... with th likelyhood of protesting and the MMO media taking hold. CCP will get more new accounts than you can shake your fist at all the while getting rid of the old hard heads of the game.

For whatever my suggestion is worth. Don't waste your time protesting or flaming the forums. Once the meeting is over tomorrow and there is no direct answer to the question, quietly leave the game. Flaming and protesting will do nothing more than give CCP free advertisement. What... our loyalty to the game isn't enough?

My time is worth more than protesting in front of the deaf,blind, and mute.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:03:00 - [381]
 

Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: killmc
time go back to rioting i thank ccp/csm's

Nah. Been there, done that. It achieved all that it could. (Which was not insignificant.)

If tomorrow's 'joint statement' is inadequate, then my play time will be limited to what's left on the accounts and my attitude towards the game will be:

"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."


Piracy is ganking for isk. What's just plain ganking until the end?

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:09:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Still waiting for the million aurum question...ugh


Fixed that for you.

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:11:00 - [383]
 

Pretty annoyed about this, they're going to discuss the sale of non-vanity items on Day 2. DAY TWO?! Either tell us we're screwed and cut us loose, or tell us it's not happening and I can get back to playing.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:15:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
Pretty annoyed about this, they're going to discuss the sale of non-vanity items on Day 2. DAY TWO?! Either tell us we're screwed and cut us loose, or tell us it's not happening and I can get back to playing.


just start playing nerd jesus.

waah waah waah

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:19:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Harcosi
Pretty annoyed about this, they're going to discuss the sale of non-vanity items on Day 2. DAY TWO?! Either tell us we're screwed and cut us loose, or tell us it's not happening and I can get back to playing.


just start playing nerd jesus.

waah waah waah


My accounts have started expiring, I'm not paying $15 if there's no satisfactory answer to the non-vanity MT question.

Calling me a nerd, on an eve online forum, a game about internet spaceships? Do you need a hug or something to feel that it's OK to be a nerd? It's OK, I accept you.

Henrica Gaufridus
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:21:00 - [386]
 

Well, if I like what I hear, I'll buy another PLEX and get back to playing.
If I don't like what I hear, I'll sell everything and **** off for good. I'll miss Eve (at least the aspects of it I enjoy), but I've ****ed off before and only came back because friends bugged me to come back. A good deal of them left over this, so I have nothing to really play for if this doesn't play out how I want it to.

Things I don't want to hear:
-"We aren't PLANNING on 'gold ammo'" (as we've learned, just because CCP isn't "planning" on something doesn't mean they're not going to do it)
-"CQ will be completely mandatory. Eventually there will be no option to not load the station environment."
-"There will be no new space content in Eve for the next few years."

I wish there were meeting minutes available, but I guess that will be released tomorrow when it's all over. I hope you folks (the CSM) represented us well.

Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari
Definitive Exploration and Excavations
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:23:00 - [387]
 

Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.

Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.

Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:26:00 - [388]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
Calling me a nerd, on an eve online forum, a game about internet spaceships? Do you need a hug or something to feel that it's OK to be a nerd? It's OK, I accept you.


I called you a nerd to get a rise out of you.

this is a nerdrage thread isn't it?


Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:28:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Harcosi
Calling me a nerd, on an eve online forum, a game about internet spaceships? Do you need a hug or something to feel that it's OK to be a nerd? It's OK, I accept you.


I called you a nerd to get a rise out of you.

this is a nerdrage thread isn't it?




I dunno, a few people seem angry, but in the majority it was just discussions.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:29:00 - [390]
 

Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.

Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.

Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...


i know ay... lol

1 nerd rages, inspires other nerds to rage.

update computer to play a 2011 high end graphics game, ignore nex store = no rage.


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