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Evalon Fury
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:15:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury
I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..


I'm amused that you're only now seeing this. Laughing


Ha ha.. Well.. I'm usually an optimist... try and give people the benefit of the doubt... Looks likely optimism is misplaced in this case...Confused


This is the INTARWEBZ, man!! What's yer problem?!?!!?! Wink


Ooh!!! Cookies!! Omnomnomnomnom

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:16:00 - [272]
 

Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 30/06/2011 16:17:39
Robert Woodhead
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
New in NEX on Tuesday: "Just say NO to Vanity Goods" t-shirt. More expensive than the monocle! :) #tweetfleet #csm6

Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
We just got a demo of Amarr and Caldari CQ. Works in progress , but nice. The t-shirt thing was a troll, btw..

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:16:00 - [273]
 

Edited by: jackaloped on 30/06/2011 16:18:30
Maybe maybe not. I imagine several game companies do have enough faith in their product that they keep trying to make it better instead of losing focus (and money) on other things.

But if they abandon eve why shouldn't we? It needs work and they refuse to assign the devs to fix it. It could be improved allot. And no I do not count incarna-transactions. That really has nothing to do with flying in spaceships.

That is the real problem with eve. Seleene ran on that campaign of iterations and he got a vote from me. So far I see no indication that CCP is going to assign any more devs to inspace eve.

Originally by: killmc
Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.




all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works

Samir Duran Xadi
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:17:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: killmc
Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.




all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works


and people move to game 2. I doubt ccp wants us to leave when they get money from us monthly. If you want people to keep playing your MMO you need to provide them new content constantly.

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:19:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
Originally by: killmc
Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.




all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works


and people move to game 2. I doubt ccp wants us to leave when they get money from us monthly. If you want people to keep playing your MMO you need to provide them new content constantly.


Or move to game 'other'.

I have no interest in Dust or Vampires.

I want spreadsheets in space.

killmc
Gallente
Navajo commandos
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:20:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Maybe maybe not. I imagine several game companies do have enough faith in their product that they keep trying to make it better instead of losing focus (and money) on other things.

But if they abandon eve why shouldn't we? It needs work and they refuse to assign the devs to fix it. It could be improved allot. And no I do not count incarna-transactions. That really has nothign to od with flying in spaceships.

That is the real problem with eve. Seleene ran on that campaign of iterations and he got a vote from me. So far I see no indication that CCP is going to assign any more devs to inspace eve.

Originally by: killmc
Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.




all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works



i see your point but plan fact is eve old eve will die all good thangs come to a end. i been here from beta i be sad day when eve shut down but noting go on forever

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:20:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: Vain Eldritch
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Andraine
Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?

Or has nothing been sad about that?


from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet

patience padowan Cool


Padowan? Paedowan? Padawan?

eh whatever lol patience grasshoper
there that fits better with my generation

Maximillian Dragonard
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:21:00 - [278]
 

Let's face it... Eve is no longer CCP's priority. We are nothing more than the cash cow, useful for funding WoD and Dust. We fail to generate enough revenue to fund those two other projects, we get less, and get milked more.

My reply was in my reason for quitting... "The cash cow is losing teats"

Sad days these are.....

Amar Azaph
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:22:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: Jannx
Originally by: Amar Azaph
CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.

Nobody voted for you. IRL lone nutcases shouting outside government buildings are generally put up bith but universally ignored. No different here.

The CSM are there as our representatives because people bothered to vote for them (and, frankly, because they bothered to put themselves up for election in order to provide a voice for the players).

So, like it or not, they are the representatives of the player base. If you don't like it, get voted in yourself. Meanwhile, let them do what we (the players) have asked them to do in the CSM forums and wait for the outcome tomorrow.

Your correct, nobody voted for me. Your second comment, is quite frankly, very insulting. I hope you are not referring to me as a "Lone nutcase?"
CCP is a commercial entity and like other commercial entities, they are easily contactable to highlight an issue in level of service, or any other issue that a customer may wish to discuss. I do not want/need anyone to assume the role of my "go-between" when dealing with a commercial entity.
I hope this has cleared up any confusion.
Now, can you clarify your statement RE: "Lone nutcase?"

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:23:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Vain Eldritch
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Andraine
Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?

Or has nothing been sad about that?


from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet

patience padowan Cool


And,
Padowan? Paedowan? Padawan?

eh whatever lol patience grasshoper
there that fits better with my generation

<lol> yes.

And, "patience grasshopper", is sage advise for the next 48 hours.

BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:25:00 - [281]
 

Edited by: BtodaC on 30/06/2011 16:32:33
The CSM exists so CCP can have substantial, face to face discussions with real players rather than only getting hyperbolic feedback from the forums.
Sensible calm debate or
"i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'"
or how about
"The problem is that the ceo has told everyone to ignore the players"
Or players who think
"Short of a family emergency I wonder why those [CSM's] that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this."
It's amazing how polite and level headed face to face conversations are in comparison to internet forums.
YOU ARE ALL JERKS
(Irony Laughing)

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:27:00 - [282]
 

Quote:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet


Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".

That is not at all the service I'm paying for.

(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:28:00 - [283]
 

Edited by: jackaloped on 30/06/2011 16:29:06
Originally by: killmc
Originally by: jackaloped
Maybe maybe not. I imagine several game companies do have enough faith in their product that they keep trying to make it better instead of losing focus (and money) on other things.

But if they abandon eve why shouldn't we? It needs work and they refuse to assign the devs to fix it. It could be improved allot. And no I do not count incarna-transactions. That really has nothign to od with flying in spaceships.

That is the real problem with eve. Seleene ran on that campaign of iterations and he got a vote from me. So far I see no indication that CCP is going to assign any more devs to inspace eve.

Originally by: killmc
Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.




all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works



i see your point but plan fact is eve old eve will die all good thangs come to a end. i been here from beta i be sad day when eve shut down but noting go on forever


Well if they continue to abandon it, it will die much faster.


Henrica Gaufridus
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:36:00 - [284]
 

Thanks for posting the comments and links, Harcosi! I've got all the twitter feeds open now. I can't wait to see the "official" statement tomorrow, so I can decide whether or not I'll resub.

So make it good, CCP. A lot of resubs are probably hanging on this.

octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:37:00 - [285]
 

1 meeting and they are already talking the same way as the devblogs in their twitter.

Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:41:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Luckytania
Quote:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet


Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".

That is not at all the service I'm paying for.

(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)


That one tweet alone is enough to prove the meeting was nothing but a PR hoax. One minute it's, "We are being VERY blunt" and the next minute it's, "Well, they EXPLAINED it so it's ok now".

JFC, what a joke

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:42:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: vasuul
Give em time guy's let them get their ducks in a row
that way when the official statement comes out we can all print a copy for ourselves. Then if CCP even goes back on their word, we can all ship a cardboard box we have crapped in Very Happyto iceland with that memo inside
p.s. make sure you send it C.O.D for $1000.00 (the cost of zulu's pant )Razz



That would be the »Magna Carta« moment of the EvE community.

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:43:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: Amar Azaph

CCP is a commercial entity and like other commercial entities, they are easily contactable to highlight an issue in level of service, or any other issue that a customer may wish to discuss. I do not want/need anyone to assume the role of my "go-between" when dealing with a commercial entity.
I hope this has cleared up any confusion.



But that was the problem CCP staff went flat silent on us.
After the patch they were not listening to any of the players issues.
It took a mob of irate customers ,whether blasting memorials ,or raging to pull the plug, and bad press for them to wake the hell up and talk to us.
This is hopefully something that doesn't happen again communication breakdown lead to this pure and simple
in these times we have to depend on our elected CSM's to fight for our rights
If you don't vote that's up to you But I for one am glad there is some one out there that came get face time with the bigwigs at CCP when we need them to.
I have been playing since 2007 and this is the first time i have ever raged over anything in this game that ccp did.
Granted there was a lot of nerfs that ****ed me off over the years,it was tolerable i could live with it adapt and overcome
most of the time i praised the updates CCP has done some great work in the past, but this one was substandard to say the least
To me i think Incarna was a rush job of nothing it didnt really add to the game, But it held the threat of taking away so much.
and the silence from on high did not help.



Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:44:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Luckytania
Quote:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet


Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".

That is not at all the service I'm paying for.

(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)


That one tweet alone is enough to prove the meeting was nothing but a PR hoax. One minute it's, "We are being VERY blunt" and the next minute it's, "Well, they EXPLAINED it so it's ok now".

JFC, what a joke


My thoughts exactly. Oh well hopefully one more day to the announcement then we get told we just misunderstand everything and actually all our fears are wrong Confused

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:45:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: octahexx Charante
1 meeting and they are already talking the same way as the devblogs in their twitter.



Of course. CCP is not dumb. They simply don't tell us everything.

A good politician is not one that can only predict the future, but one that can explain why his prediction was wrong. CCP Devs aren't very good politicians, so thats why they don't have open discussions with us about everything and have a NDA with the CSM.

If there is one thing that CCP has learned over the past week, is that its community will cry BULL**** over things that they have stated in the past but are doing differently now. The only outcome of this is that they will start talking even less to us.

ed jeni
SKULLDOGS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:46:00 - [291]
 

Quote:
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works


this is a normal if somewhat risky approach, as your new game may be a success or it may bomb,
common sense strategy dictates that you put 50 percent of your chips on red, then should things not work you can continue, if game 2 does well then you have all the more chips to play with next time.

CCP have 50 percent of their chips on game 2 and the other 50 percent staked on game 3 ShockedShockedShocked

this leaves nothing left for eve and should either of the new games turn out to be a lemon this still leaves nothing for EVE

lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.

maybe its the icelandic way.

YarrMama
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:52:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: ed jeni
Quote:
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works


this is a normal if somewhat risky approach, as your new game may be a success or it may bomb,
common sense strategy dictates that you put 50 percent of your chips on red, then should things not work you can continue, if game 2 does well then you have all the more chips to play with next time.

CCP have 50 percent of their chips on game 2 and the other 50 percent staked on game 3 ShockedShockedShocked

this leaves nothing left for eve and should either of the new games turn out to be a lemon this still leaves nothing for EVE

lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.

maybe its the icelandic way.


I always put 50% on red adn 50% on black. That way I always win!!!Very Happy

SilKKZ the3rd
Caldari
Wraith.Wing
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:53:00 - [293]
 

Edited by: SilKKZ the3rd on 30/06/2011 16:54:13
I am starting to get really annoyed now to be honest. I am sick to death of hearing about how nex this nex that. TBH I couldnt care less about Nex.

I think the more important issues are

1.) CQ is absolute crap, I want to be able to revert to old system
2.) Bug issues being present for over 3 years
3.) Botting and RMT is way more an issue than a damn monecule no matter what it costs
4.) Supercapitals being win button, and way to many titans in the game
5.) Constant game inballance, and nerfs making it worse not better.
6.) Really bad QA
7.) Spending sub money on games we cannot even play unless we own a PS3 (wtf is that about)

I mean the list is endless to be frank. I been playing since 2004 and its been going rapidly downhill for over 2 years. Even if the Nex is all sorted out my subs are still going because this is all just a smoke screen to the bigger problems that await the game in the not to distant future.

Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.

killmc
Gallente
Navajo commandos
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:54:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: YarrMama
Originally by: ed jeni
Quote:
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works


this is a normal if somewhat risky approach, as your new game may be a success or it may bomb,
common sense strategy dictates that you put 50 percent of your chips on red, then should things not work you can continue, if game 2 does well then you have all the more chips to play with next time.

CCP have 50 percent of their chips on game 2 and the other 50 percent staked on game 3 ShockedShockedShocked

this leaves nothing left for eve and should either of the new games turn out to be a lemon this still leaves nothing for EVE

lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.

maybe its the icelandic way.


I always put 50% on red adn 50% on black. That way I always win!!!Very Happy


less a 0 or 00 come up

Amar Azaph
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:57:00 - [295]
 

Edited by: Amar Azaph on 30/06/2011 16:58:23
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Amar Azaph

CCP is a commercial entity and like other commercial entities, they are easily contactable to highlight an issue in level of service, or any other issue that a customer may wish to discuss. I do not want/need anyone to assume the role of my "go-between" when dealing with a commercial entity.
I hope this has cleared up any confusion.



But that was the problem CCP staff went flat silent on us.
After the patch they were not listening to any of the players issues.
It took a mob of irate customers ,whether blasting memorials ,or raging to pull the plug, and bad press for them to wake the hell up and talk to us.
This is hopefully something that doesn't happen again communication breakdown lead to this pure and simple




in these times we have to depend on our elected CSM's to fight for our rights
If you don't vote that's up to you But I for one am glad there is some one out there that came get face time with the bigwigs at CCP when we need them to.
I have been playing since 2007 and this is the first time i have ever raged over anything in this game that ccp did.
Granted there was a lot of nerfs that ****ed me off over the years,it was tolerable i could live with it adapt and overcome
most of the time i praised the updates CCP has done some great work in the past, but this one was substandard to say the least
To me i think Incarna was a rush job of nothing it didnt really add to the game, But it held the threat of taking away so much.
and the silence from on high did not help.





1. Who owns these forums?
2. Do members of the EVE community post on there forums ?
3. Do members of the EVE community who have various issues with aspects of EVE game play/developments post their opinions on these forums ?
4. Do members of CCP read/monitor these forums?
5. Do members of CCP post comments on these forums ? in other words,do they interact with the members of the EVE community?
6. What value add does the CSM bring to the table in terms of making this process more effective and efficient?

Kira Summer
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:58:00 - [296]
 

Edited by: Kira Summer on 30/06/2011 16:59:16
So to summarize, according to the tweets, in this emergency meeting that our illustrious CSM members have been asked to attend and on which possibly the fate of Eve-O as we know it seems to depend, in the first days meeting they have discussed,
99$ api fee.
Pricing of Vanity items in the nex store.
We also find CCP have smoked the eyes of CSM with a nice little Demo of the Caldarie and Amarr CQ's and that the Gallente CQ's are the best.

Nice to know all the important subjects like is there to be MT Y/N? on other than vanity items, and why did CCP treat its customer base with such contempt last week, will be left until tomorrow.
Will this be an hour before the CSM flights leave Iceland or perhaps a glossy brochure telling CSM exactly what CCP intends to do and no discussion, handed to them with their boarding passes.


Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:58:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd
Edited by: SilKKZ the3rd on 30/06/2011 16:54:13
I am starting to get really annoyed now to be honest. I am sick to death of hearing about how nex this nex that. TBH I couldnt care less about Nex.

I think the more important issues are

1.) CQ is absolute crap, I want to be able to revert to old system
2.) Bug issues being present for over 3 years
3.) Botting and RMT is way more an issue than a damn monecule no matter what it costs
4.) Supercapitals being win button, and way to many titans in the game
5.) Constant game inballance, and nerfs making it worse not better.
6.) Really bad QA
7.) Spending sub money on games we cannot even play unless we own a PS3 (wtf is that about)

I mean the list is endless to be frank. I been playing since 2004 and its been going rapidly downhill for over 2 years. Even if the Nex is all sorted out my subs are still going because this is all just a smoke screen to the bigger problems that await the game in the not to distant future.

Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.



Exactly.

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Maximillian Dragonard
Let's face it... Eve is no longer CCP's priority. We are nothing more than the cash cow, useful for funding WoD and Dust. We fail to generate enough revenue to fund those two other projects, we get less, and get milked more.

My reply was in my reason for quitting... "The cash cow is losing teats"

Sad days these are.....


If we're a cash cow, then they've got to graze us on green pastures - else we slim into a starveling of a cow that gives no milk anymore.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 30/06/2011 17:02:13
Seems like enough players could not hold their horses back but had to bother the CSMs enough to make them stop tweeting.

Nope, one last one for the day:

Robert Woodhead
And we are done for the day. #tweetfleet #csm6

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Luckytania
Quote:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet


Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".

That is not at all the service I'm paying for.

(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)


That one tweet alone is enough to prove the meeting was nothing but a PR hoax. One minute it's, "We are being VERY blunt" and the next minute it's, "Well, they EXPLAINED it so it's ok now".

JFC, what a joke


Well said, we don't want explanations, we want stuff changed.


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