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Itsays Flugelduf
Posted - 2011.06.30 03:34:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Itsays Flugelduf on 30/06/2011 03:34:51
Why is it that so many eve online community sites look like they were released in the late 90's? I'm sure there has to be a couple of website designers out there. I find it really off putting when visiting a site, for it to look like it was designed in Microsoft Front Page. I'm suprised that I've yet to see one in comic sans, mind you.

I think there has been one site I've seen, that didn't look too bad - some sort of killboard site, forgot the name of it.

This isn't an attempt to be a troll, this is just my opinion, I'm not doing it to provoke negativity, I just would like to debate this point and see why the case is so. Seeing as a lot of the programmers here, aren't bad at all - far from script kiddies, or tutorial code snippit abusers - it's just a shame their front end isn't up to the same standard, in my opinion.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:33:00 - [2]
 

Probably mostly the old ingame browser didn't support much and the new one is slow with real fancy sites. Personally, I like clean, simple websites.

Trenker
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:51:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Itsays Flugelduf
Seeing as a lot of the programmers here, aren't bad at all - far from script kiddies, or tutorial code snippit abusers - it's just a shame their front end isn't up to the same standard, in my opinion.

We are programmers, not designers Wink
If you are one, or know one: everyone would be grateful if you could help us out!

Also: the community toolkit is full of data, but there is not much data for designers (colors, sizes, shapes, fonts, ...)

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:13:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Itsays Flugelduf
Why is it that so many eve online community sites look like they were released in the late 90's? I'm sure there has to be a couple of website designers out there. I find it really off putting when visiting a site, for it to look like it was designed in Microsoft Front Page. I'm suprised that I've yet to see one in comic sans, mind you.

Do you mean by that is that lack of obsessive javascript, absence of eye-blowing animation and actual presence of content is a bad thing?

If you did mean something else, please elaborate. Because "late 90'" doesn't quite telling me anything.

Itsays Flugelduf
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:16:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Itsays Flugelduf on 30/06/2011 14:21:38
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Itsays Flugelduf
Why is it that so many eve online community sites look like they were released in the late 90's? I'm sure there has to be a couple of website designers out there. I find it really off putting when visiting a site, for it to look like it was designed in Microsoft Front Page. I'm suprised that I've yet to see one in comic sans, mind you.

Do you mean by that is that lack of obsessive javascript, absence of eye-blowing animation and actual presence of content is a bad thing?

If you did mean something else, please elaborate. Because "late 90'" doesn't quite telling me anything.


Bad typography (majority of the time, it's just the default font, with its font-size changed, often to a small unreadable size), tables for design when not containing data, flat colours used, lack of design hierarchy etc. - all very bland, the trend seems to be an old eve online wallpaper as the background with a box in the middle. A suprising lack of fluid designs (I'm suprised, because the wide variety of screen-size, e.g. IGB). Generally its whole esthetic quality just seems lacking.

Often a banner that's some either again wallpaper of an action scene, or a screenshot with a font that looks nice to the creator and some default gimp/photoshop styles applied to it.

I can appreciate that Trenker, but I was just wondering why there hasn't been a few designers step forward at all.

Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:10:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Captain Thunk on 30/06/2011 18:10:55
I use historical internet sites to specifically get styles from the '90s with which to annoy people who start convulsing if the style isn't upto their high stylish standards.

edit: how long did you spend on your avatar? You look like a reject from the '70s. I refuse to talk to you anymore.

Itsays Flugelduf
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:57:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Itsays Flugelduf on 30/06/2011 19:57:29
Originally by: Captain Thunk
Edited by: Captain Thunk on 30/06/2011 18:10:55
I use historical internet sites to specifically get styles from the '90s with which to annoy people who start convulsing if the style isn't upto their high stylish standards.

edit: how long did you spend on your avatar? You look like a reject from the '70s. I refuse to talk to you anymore.


You're butthurt because I (and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but then again, I may be) don't find something attractive? and you can't think of something intelligent to add as to why I shouldn't raise this issue about the site designs? I wouldn't nescessarily call my style standards high, just normal - I understand that the majority of these sites are free (and I'm grateful for the services), but I raised the issue because some provide a service at a cost (for example, lottery sites) and still look like they spent an entire minute in the design process.

As for my avatar, that's a real shame - I was going more for a reject from the '80s, but I guess that works well too.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:42:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Itsays Flugelduf
Bad typography (majority of the time, it's just the default font, with its font-size changed, often to a small unreadable size), tables for design when not containing data, flat colours used, lack of design hierarchy etc. - all very bland, the trend seems to be an old eve online wallpaper as the background with a box in the middle. A suprising lack of fluid designs (I'm suprised, because the wide variety of screen-size, e.g. IGB). Generally its whole esthetic quality just seems lacking.

Often a banner that's some either again wallpaper of an action scene, or a screenshot with a font that looks nice to the creator and some default gimp/photoshop styles applied to it.

I can appreciate that Trenker, but I was just wondering why there hasn't been a few designers step forward at all.

Because a qualified designer's time cost a price?
And to your other references, it's not related to IGB in any way. (Left aside the fact that old IGB were always bad with table rendering, it was damn slow and error-prone, even worse - nested tables, and every IGB page designer knew that.)
It's just that easy. People don't care about their sites.

Itsays Flugelduf
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:36:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tonto Auri
Because a qualified designer's time cost a price?
And to your other references, it's not related to IGB in any way. (Left aside the fact that old IGB were always bad with table rendering, it was damn slow and error-prone, even worse - nested tables, and every IGB page designer knew that.)
It's just that easy. People don't care about their sites.


So does a programmers time? I mentioned the IGB only about fluid layout design e.g. not fixed width which is entirely related as the IGB size will largely differ depending on how the person has laid out their windows in game.

Dragonaire
Caldari
Corax.
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:13:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Dragonaire on 01/07/2011 05:17:09
Be glad most the older sites looked like they came from the 90s after trying to do stuff with the old IGB which was as bad as main stream browsers from the mid-80s it's a wonder they didn't look worse believe me. Most of the newer ones are improving but it's a slow process sometimes when the people making them aren't designer but programmers that decided to scratch an itch that they don't get to at work and share what they'd made with anyone else that thinks it might be useful.

I know personally I couldn't draw a straight line in Photoshop if I tried and I know it has tools to do it for me Razz I've tried a few projects for Eve applications on my own and with others and always one of the biggest hold ups was we could never get a graphics guy/gal to make anything or take the time to help with the projects or just plain wanted to be paid to do it, which is fine, but when you've had a team of people working on something for months for free than someone tells you they can have what you need done in a couple hours but it'll cost you 6 months or more worth of hosting for them to do it you decide to do without Razz

That one reason I've stayed with background stuff like Yapeal etc because I've never had a designer that would stay around and even spend two weeks on a project in the evenings to do what was needed for what I've wanted to do and might have spent 3-6 months working on personally.

Hopefully you decided to take some time and help out a few of the projects you do use I'm sure if you offer and actually send some stuff to the head of any of the projects they'll gladly take a look and probably use it.

Anyway just my 0.02 ISK worth on it.

PS I think you managed what you were aiming for with avatar looks like something out of the 90s punk rock clubs Wink

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Itsays Flugelduf
Edited by: Itsays Flugelduf on 30/06/2011 14:21:38
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Itsays Flugelduf
Why is it that so many eve online community sites look like they were released in the late 90's? I'm sure there has to be a couple of website designers out there. I find it really off putting when visiting a site, for it to look like it was designed in Microsoft Front Page. I'm suprised that I've yet to see one in comic sans, mind you.

Do you mean by that is that lack of obsessive javascript, absence of eye-blowing animation and actual presence of content is a bad thing?

If you did mean something else, please elaborate. Because "late 90'" doesn't quite telling me anything.


Bad typography (majority of the time, it's just the default font, with its font-size changed, often to a small unreadable size), tables for design when not containing data, flat colours used, lack of design hierarchy etc. - all very bland, the trend seems to be an old eve online wallpaper as the background with a box in the middle. A suprising lack of fluid designs (I'm suprised, because the wide variety of screen-size, e.g. IGB). Generally its whole esthetic quality just seems lacking.

Often a banner that's some either again wallpaper of an action scene, or a screenshot with a font that looks nice to the creator and some default gimp/photoshop styles applied to it.

I can appreciate that Trenker, but I was just wondering why there hasn't been a few designers step forward at all.


Using other fonts doesn't always work out very well. Not every computer has the same fonts, normally the browser will try to pick one close though. As for your other points, unless they are a professional or have stayed current, they probably stuck to what was popular when they learned, or the program they are using spits out.

I do not see the point of criticizing the design skills of a site that does as a hobby as long as its easy to read and easy to navigate without a bunch of annoying javascript, java (I really, really hates those), or flash, then I don't have a problem with them.


 

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