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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:06:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 07:27:18
First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit.

Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur.

So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)

The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item.

So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.

Edit part:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527783&page=13#364
Just because some people were claiming my 'trade up' example was imaginary/thought up 'by me' etc... there was also a devblog about it, but i tire of digging up quotes repeatedly for people who wont read them anyway.

Rayna Ravenoff
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:11:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit.

Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur.

So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)

The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item.

So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.



I support this product. Very Happy
+1

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:16:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit.

Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur.

So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)

The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item.

So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.



I support this product. Very Happy
+1


Now if you purchase a monocle your opinion will be totally valid. I support you buying a monocle

Riddick Liddell
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:17:00 - [4]
 

No worries, they are going to do it anyway.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:20:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: riddick Liddell
No worries, they are going to do it anyway.


TBH i don't think they will. CCP has bent over so many times for the players in the past. Its a shame really, that a group of idiots can ruin something that's utterly harmless.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:25:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: riddick Liddell
No worries, they are going to do it anyway.


TBH i don't think they will. CCP has bent over so many times for the players in the past. Its a shame really, that a group of idiots can ruin something that's utterly harmless.


Heh, harmless you say.


Right.

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:34:00 - [7]
 

GTFO chav.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:35:00 - [8]
 

No

This would undermine the industrialists, and ultimately lead to the death of EVE.

Xydonus Xavior
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
GTFO chav.


Leave him be!

We need slave labor for our mines.

ScreenWipe
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
No

This would undermine the industrialists, and ultimately lead to the death of EVE.


Will it ***k, it will attract new customers, especially ones with RL iskies to burn, i.e. russian oil tycoons, etc.. Twisted Evil

He StillPlays Games
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:44:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
stupid crap


get out.

Rosa Cardenalis
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:50:00 - [12]
 

Can someone actually explain to me why this wouldn't work or would break the economy? It looks fine to me.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:52:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Rosa Cardenalis
Can someone actually explain to me why this wouldn't work or would break the economy? It looks fine to me.

This person has articulated the protester's point of view quite clearly:
Originally by: He StillPlays Games
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
stupid crap


get out.


Why cant you see it wont work!

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit.

Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur.


Yes, suddenly the monetary worth is ALL gone because someone paid isk for it. Genious.
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item.


So instead of exerting pressure on the market as it normaly would, its a little bit better. Still there, injecting value in a market but not as badly as the previous form. Genious.
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.


Instead they become a company that charges you money to make your game better. Not really eve in this sense but hey, WoD sounds promising as far as how CQ went. They can still sell you upgrades to the engine as something they did for EVE only. Game mechanics obviously wont be touched.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:56:00 - [15]
 

I've said it before in the past both ingame and on the forums Terminal, but you are a ****ing moron. You're a mindless sheep, no, pig, that is eating anything CCP puts in the trough. And when you're done, you ask for more of that ****.

Congrats.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:58:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Rosa Cardenalis
Can someone actually explain to me why this wouldn't work or would break the economy? It looks fine to me.



It's not breaking the economy, it is breaking the entire game. Many of us play Eve because it is skill and time and effort that leads to a successful or atleast entertaining outcome. Changing that by putting $ into game changing items breaks that desire to fight back, it makes fighting back without $ seemingly unfair and so people quit.


I refuse to play a game where I have to pay, and then pay again to compete and apparently so do many others.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:02:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
rabble rabble rabble rabble

I can see you but all i hear is blabbering. Who are you again? Never mind, it is of no importance.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:05:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:06:12
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
I refuse to play a game where I have to pay, and then pay again to compete and apparently so do many others.


But a rich newbie can already be one day old, buy a pilot with real money, buy a machariel with real money, and instantly skip over the 'time' needed to train such things.

NeX store items are available for isk as well, not just real money. So i ask, whats the difference?

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:06:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Blane Xero
rabble rabble rabble rabble

I can see you but all i hear is blabbering. Who are you again? Never mind, it is of no importance.

He is someone with integrity. YOU are an incompetent and obvious troll with no class that thinks throwing ISK at a dumb accessory makes you ironic and edgy. GTFO.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:08:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:09:09
Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
ironic and edgy. GTFO.


The only thing ironic and edgy in this thread is your name and attitude.

If all you have to contribute is flames and no real intelligible point of view, then perhaps this is the only ground you have to stand on. Such is the life of lowly peasants.

Allow me to educate you on the meaning of your name:
Quote:
Irie refers to positive emotions or feelings, or anything that is good. Specifically it refers to high emotions and peaceful vibrations. This is a phonetical representation of "all right".

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I can see you but all i hear is blabbering. Who are you again? Never mind, it is of no importance.
Yeah, who I am is of no importance. Who the **** are you again?

Oh yeah, the pleb who contributed towards a $70 MICROtransaction.

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:13:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:09:09
Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
ironic and edgy. GTFO.


The only thing ironic and edgy in this thread is your name and attitude.

If all you have to contribute is flames and no real intelligible point of view, then perhaps this is the only ground you have to stand on. Such is the life of lowly peasants.

Allow me to educate you on the meaning of your name:
Quote:
Irie refers to positive emotions or feelings, or anything that is good. Specifically it refers to high emotions and peaceful vibrations. This is a phonetical representation of "all right".



I'm happy with myself, it's you that is the problem.

I'm pleased you have learned to look up things on the internet though. Perhaps this will go some way to make up for your misspent education. "chalk full" indeed. What a joke.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:14:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:15:34
It is clear the only thing the anti-NeX people have to stand on is their flames and rage. They clearly lack any position to attack the facts stated in my original post.

I accept your rage as proof my original post has completely debunked your protest and demand you return to your peasantry immediately, or we will cut back on your quafe rations.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:16:00 - [24]
 

3/10

Xydonus Xavior
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:17:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Xydonus Xavior on 30/06/2011 05:39:54
I don't see anything wrong with a vanity shop, even though the prices for the items are just mad, MAD I SAY MAD! I would never, and never have, bought vanity items and don't intend on doing it at any point as I could care less about what my character looks like when it comes to accessories.

I'll admit that I'm a bit selfish when it comes to EVE, I don't look at the big picture. I look at the smaller picture...

Is a non-vanity shop really going to effect my profits? Is it going to effect me in any way? If CCP start selling gold faction ammo, hows that going to effect me? Unless they make a balls of implementing it, I don't really see how it could. As long as it doesn't interfere with the internal mechanisms of the EVE economy, then no, I couldn't give a rats a..-tail.

If anything, players should be more focused on the other issues that have been so diligently laid out in other threads. I'm personally more concerned with the idea that disabling CQ is only temporary, and those that do disable it is forced to look at an ugly door, rather than the traditional hangar view. CCP has a new technology, they want to show it off, so naturally they don't want players turning their fancy new feature off, do they?

But in doing that, they've already alienated a large portion of the player base.

Course I would prefer the game not to have a micro-shop of any kind, but hey, if it generates more income for CCP, more power to them. Even though they should really have a look at those prices...

If they are interested in implementing a non-vanity item shop, they have to explore all the possibilities, seek the opinions of CSM instead of ignoring them like they've done, and explore it at all angles.

So I couldn't give an Irish fart about any of it, I just want my CQ optional and I'll sit in my pod until its done... :P

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:06:12
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
I refuse to play a game where I have to pay, and then pay again to compete and apparently so do many others.


But a rich newbie can already be one day old, buy a pilot with real money, buy a machariel with real money, and instantly skip over the 'time' needed to train such things.

NeX store items are available for isk as well, not just real money. So i ask, whats the difference?


No, someone had to train that pilot, there isn't an infinite supply of high sp pilots, there isn't even an infinte supply of Machs.


$-> items removes all limits, removes any economical feedback, and just makes me not give a damn about the game.


Hell I already care less about Eve than I did simply a week ago. CCP's refusal to answer the damn question, and then needing a week to meet with the CSM before answering the damn question has moved me much closer to simply not liking this game any more. It's sad, even a horribly misformed Eve game would be better than most other games, but having seeing what EVe was, and what it could have been won't allow me to watch it slowly lose its soul.

Eve is the best game ever, and CCP is forgetting what made it good. It is good because it is all player created.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:22:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:23:50
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
No, someone had to train that pilot, there isn't an infinite supply of high sp pilots, there isn't even an infinte supply of Machs.


$-> items removes all limits, removes any economical feedback, and just makes me not give a damn about the game.


Hell I already care less about Eve than I did simply a week ago. CCP's refusal to answer the damn question, and then needing a week to meet with the CSM before answering the damn question has moved me much closer to simply not liking this game any more. It's sad, even a horribly misformed Eve game would be better than most other games, but having seeing what EVe was, and what it could have been won't allow me to watch it slowly lose its soul.

Eve is the best game ever, and CCP is forgetting what made it good. It is good because it is all player created.


You clearly did not read my original post.

If they required a player-built machariel to be paid in addition to Aur, for an upgraded 'NeX Machariel', there would be absolutly no effect on the ingame economy.

In fact, it could help slightly, since people will keep their obscenely expensive NeX Mach docked/missioning and never lose it. Requiring a second machariel for their pvp.

A pilot flying a NeX Mach would also be at increased gank risk, placing even more machariel orders at your doorstep.

As for not answering "the question"... i could, once again, go and dig up the multiple forum and devblog posts stating very clearly "is this vanity only? Yes" but you would just ignore that and continue raging.

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:23:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
the only thing ironic and edgy i this thread is your name and attitude.

If all you have to contribute is flames and no real intelligible point of view, then perhaps this is the only ground you have to stand on. Such is the life of lowly peasants.

Allow me to educate you on the meaning of your name:



How about backing up your own theories instead of speaking out of nowhere? I know im just demanding here, but hey, if you please im a steady follower.

Quote:
Irie refers to positive emotions or feelings, or anything that is good. Specifically it refers to high emotions and peaceful vibrations. This is a phonetical representation of "all right".



Irie? The rainbow? Why dont you pick one person of greek mythologie that is as unimportant. Let me educate you on the fact that most people dont actually mean anything by naming their kin. A concept foreign to you most likely im sure.

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:23:00 - [29]
 

no one is responding to it seriously because its a worthless **** troll and you are adding nothing that hasn't already been talked about in other threads.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:26:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:28:49
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:26:29
Originally by: Cataca

How about backing up your own theories instead of speaking out of nowhere? I know im just demanding here, but hey, if you please im a steady follower.

I have backed up my theories with examples in my original post, and a post not too far above this one.

It is the anti-nex people who have yet to present a reasonable argument against non-vanity items. All they've shown so far is their mindless rage.

Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
no one is responding to it seriously because its a worthless **** troll and you are adding nothing that hasn't already been talked about in other threads.


The original post wasn't a troll at all. Though, i am enjoying your rage in the subsequent replies =)

My original post presents a firm and reasonable explanation of why non-vanity is non-issue. If i'm the terrible troll, why are the anti-nex people the only ones flaming this thread?


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