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Logic Luke
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:11:00 - [1]
 

Hey!

Iam Looking for a decent drake fit, for doing level 4.. I dont have alot of isk atm, but on the other hand, i dont know what ship to get after the drake :D

Jax Rifter
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:19:00 - [2]
 

It currently takes me about 40 min to finish The Blockade lvl3 with my Drake at 2mil SP. It's easy but the DPS just isn't there.

In lvl4's you will be facing more elites and battleships. A Drake will have to sacrifice gank to for tank to cope with incoming damage. This is a catch 22 because less gank = more incoming damage and slower mission times.

Therefore I would recommend that you stick to lvl3 missions and focus on doing them faster rather than jumping into lvl4's too early.

Your other option is to team up with a buddy. Two drakes can clear lvl4 missions just fine. Though chaining lvl3's with a buddy will still be more profitable in my opinion.

If you are interested in increasing your cash flow a much better investment would be flying a Noctis - it can clear up all the wrecks in minutes - drastically increasing your ISK/hour.

Cheers!


Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:06:00 - [3]
 

Raven or Tengu would be your ideal post-Drake options.

And a Drake can indeed run L4s just fine. You just have to get creative:

[Drake, Level 4 Ooga Booga]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Or you can do the traditional brick tank thing:

[Drake, BRICK]
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

Swap the AB for more tank if you need to. But meh; it is slow.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:54:00 - [4]
 

[Drake, LV4]
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

This is what my current backup lv4 Drake is using. If you want more tank drop the PDS and put in another SPR and replace the 10mn AB with another large shield extender if your skills allow it. I personally have close to max skills with everything concerning the Drake (NH pilot) so for me I get around 544 DPS with implants.

As for what you want next it depends. Do you want BS or Cruiser sized weapons lets put it that way if you want to stay caldari. If you want BS sized your looking at Torps and Cruise missiles and your ship choices are generally Raven<CNR/Golem for what you want. I let someone else talk about that I know more about the nighthawk as I pilot it and looked into the Tengu quite a bit.

Nighthawk:
Pros:
Cheaper than Tengu, costs around 200-220mil
T2 resists
Flys like a drake with more DPS, more effective as well due to explosion velocity bonus (don't underestimate it, it helps greatly)
Cheap to fit
High EHP, so suicide gankers usually look for someone else unless you have something really tasty on you
1 spare high slot, that last turent slot is practically useless to be honest so people usually put something else there
Can supposubly solo lv5's by itself
Drones, they help greatly at dispatching frigs
A passively tanked nighthawk is probably the most forgiving ship known to man while running missions
Easy to setup a tank that will last forever so you can go afk to get food leave without worry

Cons:
Very skill intensive compared to Tengu
Bigger than Tengu
Slower than Tengu
Slightly lower DPS to comparable Tengu, but not by much

Tengu:
Pros:
Faster, speed tanks quite well
Swiss army knife of ships, you can set it up to do almost anything
Slightly higher DPS
Smaller signature radius
Don't have to manage drones (assuming you don't pick that subsystem)

Cons:
Most effecient setups are easily suicide ganked by 1 BS 2 at the most
More expensive than than Nighthawk
You lose SP when you lose this ship, which can get painful if your skill went from 5 back down to 4
Harder to fit to some degree
Webs are something you actually should avoid, they can lead to your death as your mostly speed tanking
No drones, so frigs are harder to deal with unless you put in Rigor/Flare rigs
You have to be more active while fighting, it is far less forgiving than the Nighthawk

Overall that is how I would break down the difference between the 2 ships. As I said before I fly the Nighthawk a somewhat similary setup as the drake, a passive setup with an AB. I shoot down the BCs/cruisers/frigs while close in to the BS's and than hammer them with missiles so they don't have time to use defender missiles. I only started doing that more recently but I will say missions seem to go by faster like this. And I also equiped a tractor beam in the last high slot, so I'm looting while im doing this without an increase in mission time I gain even more money since bringing out my salvaging ship doesn't yeild me as much money as rushing through missions.

Though if your looking for pure effeciency at lv4's most people argue CNR/Golem/Tengu are the top dogs for caldari, and that the Nighthawk is just a hair slower than the Tengu, but not by much. But it the NH is the most forgiving.


Joline Hannigan
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:04:00 - [5]
 

Maximum damage, fit tank with whatever's left.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:04:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Jak Silverheart on 30/06/2011 05:16:19
I ran out of room on that last post, quite literally wasn't allowed to put in a single more character.

If your having a hard time deciding the NH vs Tengu, since everyone I talked to and read who have actually flown both say that they both perform quite simmilarly in terms of isk/h and mission times you break it down even simplier if you wanted to go that route.

Risk vs Reward: The tengu is a bit more risky it has the reputation of being fragile with pilots always active tanking it an a lot of pilots unfortunately don't turn their hardeners leaving the station or after making a jump so their easily ganked. And combined with the SP lost and higher cost of the ship, it is the more risky ship. So you need to pay attention to your surroundings more even if your not in battle.

But it is slightly better than the nighthawk, not by much but still is and it is a LOT easier to train for. On top of the regular skills required to even step into the NH you also need good drone skills to make use of the drone bay, which you will be using greatly if you want to be competitive with that Tengu pilot. Where as the Tengu's regular mission running setups don't use drones so you don't need to train those up and you can train up other relevant skills. For example my alt would need to train up 8mil SP to get into the NH with command ships V, and 5mil SP to get into the Tengu with strategic cruisers and subsystems at V. So in just basic SP wise that is what your looking at most likely in terms of difference.

Logic Luke
Posted - 2011.06.30 06:53:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Logic Luke on 30/06/2011 06:53:24
Hold on!

Why do you say, that you loose SP, when you loose a ship? explain please! :S

And i have atm: 9,5 million SP, but i dont know what direction to go :)

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 07:24:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Jak Silverheart on 30/06/2011 07:32:49
Edited by: Jak Silverheart on 30/06/2011 07:30:40
Originally by: Logic Luke
Edited by: Logic Luke on 30/06/2011 06:53:24
Hold on!

Why do you say, that you loose SP, when you loose a ship? explain please! :S

And i have atm: 9,5 million SP, but i dont know what direction to go :)


Quote:
Dying in a Strategic Cruiser
Unlike all other ships, there is a symbiotic attachment between the pilot and the ship that a clone cannot preserve. Should your strategic cruiser be destroyed with you on board (as opposed to your ejecting or self-destructing the ship), you will lose one full level of a random racial subsystems skill. A level 2 skill becomes a level 1 skill, a level 5 skill becomes a level 4 skill... If at Level 1, it is believed the skill simply goes to level 0 and must be retrained before the character can again pilot a Strategic Cruiser.
It is only one level of one skill, but the higher the skill is trained, the more it will hurt.


Taken form this strategic cruisers

That explained it better than I could.

As for what direction to go, do a quick google search on lv4 ships, say Golem Vs CNR vs Nighthawk vs Temgi or a combination of such. Theres probably hundreds of them, most of those threads though don't have anyone who actually piloted a nighthawk and quite a few of them assumed "DPS = Faster times period" and never took into how much more effective the heavy missiles are especially with the nighthawk explosion bounus which allows it to kill small ships significantly faster (less DPS, but more effective DPS, if that makes sense).This is especially true for the pre-tengu threads, so keep that in mind. But otherwise there is a lot of information there.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.06.30 07:52:00 - [9]
 

I guess I should throw in that I love my NH and haven't ever bothered training for a Tengu. My advice to go for one was more of a conventional wisdom thing (plus the difference in training time is... substantial).

For my purposes, a cap stable active tank is the best option. Passive tanks don't have as much damage (even if you're not losing BCUs in the lows you're losing damage rigs to purgers). I could get a bit more gank with a target painter but I'd lose cap stability. This is more or less what I settled on:

[Nighthawk, ab missionhawk3]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II


Hobgoblin II x5

Now having said that, I've found myself slowly drifting away from the NH towards my Machariel in more and more missions, but when I absolutely need a constant, steady, heavy tank with enough gank to get the job done it's still a great ship.

(If you want to go the Raven path the fit looks something like this:

[Raven, Meta4 liang]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

That will lead you towards a CNR and possibly a Golem instead of the NH/Tengu. Personally I hate flying Ravens but each to their own.)

Phantom D
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:38:00 - [10]
 

Abaddon was my choice.
8 Gun ports with up to 25% damage and resistance bonus from Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus. A real monster when it comes to EM/Thermal DPS.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.06.30 10:18:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Logic Luke
Hey!

Iam Looking for a decent drake fit, for doing level 4.. I dont have alot of isk atm, but on the other hand, i dont know what ship to get after the drake :D


[Drake, New Setup 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Needs cheap cpu implant to fit.
Use rat specific hardeners, if you have lower skills, you can use additional spr for more tank. Most of the time you want to use scourge/thunderbolt furys, bring some faction just in case. Once you get more isk/skills, get tengu or some faction battleship and some faction bcus.

Cuircuir Moustache
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:50:00 - [12]
 

I see a lot of 10MN AB II in here... Any reason to pick this over the meta AB ? (Y-S8 or smthg).

BornePassive
Caldari
Nine-Divines
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:33:00 - [13]
 

Drake can do all the level 4's, wouldn't say it could do Enemies abound 5 of 5 though, ab is pointless, rat specific resists would serve it better, t2 launchers are a nice plus.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: BornePassive
ab is pointless, rat specific resists would serve it better


You're wrong. I mean, the base numbers back up the assertion, but speed is a much larger factor in tank (and mission completion time) than EFT shows.

(Oh, and YS-8 is fine. If you're splashing money, RF/Domination is even better.)

Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:40:00 - [15]
 

If you are up to trying something different, rather than fitting for passive/active tank, you can also use an MWD fit to range tank the NPCs. Not really all that much better, save you can fit more gank and a TP.

Really though, you should train for a BS for lvl 4's, it is just so much faster.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:58:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: BornePassive
ab is pointless, rat specific resists would serve it better


You're wrong. I mean, the base numbers back up the assertion, but speed is a much larger factor in tank (and mission completion time) than EFT shows.

(Oh, and YS-8 is fine. If you're splashing money, RF/Domination is even better.)


I use to think that to, than I tried an AB in a mission it makes a world of difference. You can reduce damage you take by speed tanking, and you can do more damage to those BS's with defenders usually since you can now engage them close enough that they can't launch them so your doing more DPS to them. Not to mention that your no longer slow boating it everywhere in missions which in some missions means your saving yourself a lot of time.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:05:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Delucian on 30/06/2011 18:09:02
Here is a bit of a variation on the standard theme that I found works pretty well for most PVE engagements. Most missions do not require the 2nd Invul to be run, which makes it cap stable. I keep it at 65-70 Km and kite.

[Drake, Cutlass]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Warrior II x5

BornePassive
Caldari
Nine-Divines
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:57:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: BornePassive on 30/06/2011 22:00:35
Originally by: Jak Silverheart
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: BornePassive
ab is pointless, rat specific resists would serve it better


You're wrong. I mean, the base numbers back up the assertion, but speed is a much larger factor in tank (and mission completion time) than EFT shows.

(Oh, and YS-8 is fine. If you're splashing money, RF/Domination is even better.)


I use to think that to, than I tried an AB in a mission it makes a world of difference. You can reduce damage you take by speed tanking, and you can do more damage to those BS's with defenders usually since you can now engage them close enough that they can't launch them so your doing more DPS to them. Not to mention that your no longer slow boating it everywhere in missions which in some missions means your saving yourself a lot of time.


You slowboat towards your destination whilst killing targets, it makes no difference if you intent to run 4's in a drake (Doable but moderately slow).

Ab imo is very pointless in a ship with a decent passive tank unless you intent to run an invuln setup, softning the damage is a good idea, but i just leave my drake soak up the damage and shoot targets.

7 HML II

4 Rat Specific Resist II (If fitting allows, minimum of 2 DG specific hardeners, just do thermals which are cheap as chips anyway)
2 LSE II

2 SPR II
2 BCU II

3 Core Def Field Purs

800-900 Specific guristas tank (or so)
400 + Dps, and the t2 launchers fury ammo is way worth it imo!

The TP is nice idea on the setups, But the drones take frigates while furies take bs' and i find standard hmls do decent damage on cruisers, so the mission running rate isn't bad, drakes a nice level 4 runner but can chew through ammo.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:12:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: BornePassive
crap.



Overtanked crap fit.

GG-

Sindjin Hawke
RaVeN Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:57:00 - [20]
 

[Drake, New Setup 1]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin IIx5


This is what I use while I am training for my Tengu. I can tank any LvL 4 and it doesn't take me long to run thru the missions either. Just use mission specific damage type hardeners and ammo.

I have tried LvL 4's with the XL Shield boost fit Raven but that just sucks buthole...high maintanence attempting to manage cap and all when trying to run a mission.

Blackberry Cobbler
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:07:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Sindjin Hawke
[Drake, New Setup 1]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin IIx5


This is what I use while I am training for my Tengu. I can tank any LvL 4 and it doesn't take me long to run thru the missions either. Just use mission specific damage type hardeners and ammo.

I have tried LvL 4's with the XL Shield boost fit Raven but that just sucks buthole...high maintanence attempting to manage cap and all when trying to run a mission.



I can't imagine how excruciatingly slow this must be. I bet it would take 90 minutes to do Worlds Collide.

Sindjin Hawke
RaVeN Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:15:00 - [22]
 



Quote:
I can't imagine how excruciatingly slow this must be. I bet it would take 90 minutes to do Worlds Collide.


Nope. I actually blow thru them quite smoothly. Granted the DPS would be better with T2 Cruise Launchers on a Raven... but for me, the Tengu training takes precedence. I swap out ammo as well if needed... Precisions for smaller stuff, etc. if needed. Id rather that than trying to manage the Booster/Cap thing with the Raven.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:35:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
Nope. I actually blow thru them quite smoothly. Granted the DPS would be better with T2 Cruise Launchers on a Raven... but for me, the Tengu training takes precedence. I swap out ammo as well if needed... Precisions for smaller stuff, etc. if needed. Id rather that than trying to manage the Booster/Cap thing with the Raven.


Have to ditto this response. I found my Drake actually better at applying damage in L4's than the BS' I flew. Yea, my skills are better with the Drake, so I am sure that accounts for much of the "why" its that way. However, trying to motor around in a BS is more painful to me than the slightly higher management of the Drake in a Level 4 mission.

Will I still use it when I get a Tengu, yea, probably. Love the Drake.

Sindjin Hawke
RaVeN Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.16 16:49:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Delucian
Quote:
Nope. I actually blow thru them quite smoothly. Granted the DPS would be better with T2 Cruise Launchers on a Raven... but for me, the Tengu training takes precedence. I swap out ammo as well if needed... Precisions for smaller stuff, etc. if needed. Id rather that than trying to manage the Booster/Cap thing with the Raven.


Have to ditto this response. I found my Drake actually better at applying damage in L4's than the BS' I flew. Yea, my skills are better with the Drake, so I am sure that accounts for much of the "why" its that way. However, trying to motor around in a BS is more painful to me than the slightly higher management of the Drake in a Level 4 mission.

Will I still use it when I get a Tengu, yea, probably. Love the Drake.


I love the Drake as well. It's my all-around-go-to ship. I would love to love the Raven... but I need T2 Cruises first. I was actually thinking about trying a fit on the Raven similar to my Drake... using Large Core Defense Field Purger Rigs and some Shield Power Relays in the lows.... just for the heck of it. I hate managing my cap and shield booster so much with the typical PvE Raven fit. Then again, once I train for my Tengu...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:20:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 16/08/2011 21:28:45

The standard 5 light drones (preferably T2s and with L3+ drone interfacing and combat drone op) with 7x HML-II and 2x BCS-II alongside a 5% heavy missile damage implant an -5% missile RoF should be quite enough for just about any L4 mission if you also have decent skills (at least L4 BC, L3+ launcher spec, L4+ in all missile support skills).

You can pack a 3rd T2 ballistic control, but it's not THAT much of an improvement.
Fourth one is mostly waste of space IMO, but then again, if you want to squeeze everything out of it and "live dangerously" tank-wise (really DO get an AB in that case and always keep on the move), feel free to add it.

Stack-nerfing would make any missile damage/rof rigs bordering on utter uselessness even with 2 BCS, let alone more, so better just ramp up the tank instead with purgers. But you can fit missile explosion radius rigs if you can afford the CPU drain, which would allow you to use Fury heavy missiles against more targets to full (or at least better) effect - you still want to switch away from fury on cruisers and smaller even with triple explosion radius rigs.

Missile explosion radius implant is also helpful, but not mandatory. Again, helps with widening effective use of Fury ammo.
Shield recharge rate implant is better than shield amount implant, and the amount one conflicts slot-wise with the heavy missile damage one anyway, so pick the damage one almost always.


Ammo-wise Pack a few CN Scourge (for "t2 frigs" that your drones don't handle fast enough for your taste, or for the occasional "OHSHI-" moment when you want to max-out temporary tank by lowering sig due to, say, a trigger flustershag, and you still need to keep DPS up), equal parts fury Scourge (use only on BSs if you have no explosion radius rigs, also can use on BCs if you do have the rigs and want to, financially speaking) and mostly regular Scourge (everything else) for most NPC enemies, switch to Thunderbolt for Drones/Sansha/Bloods.

I prefer Caldari drones for any enemy NPCs for the mix of speed(quick recovery)/shield(longer lasting on full self-recovery)/damage(decent overall), but you can switch based on mission NPC weakness - Amarr drones are junk. NEVER use Amarr drones in PvE. When in doubt, use Gallente ones instead.
Minmatar for Angels, Gallente drones against Rogue Drones/Sansha/Bloods and maybe also Serpentis or even Guristas, Caldari for rest (and also preferably against Guristas and Serpentis).


Same "design philosophy" applies to fitting both the Nighthawk and the Tengu.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:25:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Akita T

Minmatar for Angels


It might be worth using Gallente (thermal) drones against Angels if you need to kill T2 frigates quickly.

Angel Viper EHPs:
EM	Expl	Kin	Therm
2,589 2,000 2,010 1,815


Angel Webifier EHPs
EM	Expl	Kin	Therm
1,911 1,546 1,541 1,377




Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:32:00 - [27]
 

TBH, I'm lazy.
I almost always use Caldari drones and Scourge even when different choices would be better.
Then again, nowadays, I'm seldom running missions, and when I do, it's almost always in groups of at least two for the sole purpose of assisting newer members with quicker agent access.


 

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