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Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 29/06/2011 09:06:39


What would have happened to the PLEX prices?

And in return... the rest of the EVE economy?

Lets add another question. If CCP introduced a whole bunch of items that were dirt cheap to the NeX store and made it worth cashing in thousands of PLEX's... not just Monocles?

I'm not too good with numbers, can some people help me out here?


Shivus Tao
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:16:00 - [2]
 

Simple. Plexes would skyrocket as the demand would drastically outpace supply until they hit a similar threshold that they were no longer worth buying. However seeing this, the market would be almost instantly resaturated with supply causing the price to hover just under that threshold. In other words, prices would have been screwed for a while. As for the economy as a whole, it would have redistributed a decent quantity of wealth from the rich in isk to the rich in cash.

Falbala
Gallente
Ishtar's Destiny
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:18:00 - [3]
 

..I still wouldn't buy it. I'll eventually buy those I find good.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:18:00 - [4]
 

Why is the monocle even an issue? Its a false agenda.. ppl are rioting about game breaking P2W-MT, the loss of the hangar view, performance issues etc yet CCP + Monoclebois bring up the price of the monocle and how upset the playerbase is.. we are not, we dont care where or how you touch yourself in your CQ!

Real issues:
Hangar view.. we want it back!
Content.. we want some, waiting for gameplay content since awhile now!
Rumors and leaks about P2W (non-vanity AUR items).. we want clearance from CCP about the issue, apparently they had it planed but didnt expect this big of a protest
Performance issues.. why does Crysis 2 has a whole map full of fancy CG, while one room from EVE has serious issues

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:18:00 - [5]
 

I'm sure the point you are tying to get someone to make is that it would have crashed the market...
Price is not really the issue though... CCP has repeatedly addressed this and we have repeatedly told them it is not. It is not a mandatory item and really serves no function with only the CQ so price is really irrelevant.
CCP has stated in the past that they failed at managing players expectations and yet they did it once again.

Shivus Tao
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:24:00 - [6]
 

Hanger view is really the biggest issue. Despite the valid arguments months ago that forced CQ and absence of the hanger view as an option breaks immersion rather than enhances it, they didn't seem to listen. And I seem to remember the original demo for incarna actually had an enter CQ button in the hanger view.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:26:00 - [7]
 

Peasants with easy access to status symbols? The barbarism of this idea appalls me

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:26:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
If the Monocle cost $5 instead of 70...
The forums would be hilarious.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 29/06/2011 09:29:46
Originally by: Kunming
Why is the monocle even an issue? Its a false agenda.. ppl are rioting about game breaking P2W-MT, the loss of the hangar view, performance issues etc yet CCP + Monoclebois bring up the price of the monocle and how upset the playerbase is.. we are not, we dont care where or how you touch yourself in your CQ!


I'll give it a go...
Originally by: Kunming

Real issues:
Hangar view.. we want it back!
Lets hope the CSM can press this issue.

Originally by: Kunming

Content.. we want some, waiting for gameplay content since awhile now!

Can you define what you mean by content in a sandbox?
Originally by: Kunming

Rumors and leaks about P2W (non-vanity AUR items).. we want clearance from CCP about the issue, apparently they had it planed but didnt expect this big of a protest
I believe there are multiple responses from CCP saying that they wouldn't be doing a P2W pricing model. "no gold ammo", multiple interviews stating "no you won't be able to pay to win"

Originally by: Kunming

Performance issues.. why does Crysis 2 has a whole map full of fancy CG, while one room from EVE has serious issues

Because Crysis 2 doesn't have the technological win that the engine CCP is developing does have.

Try to flip your hair in Crysis or cast a soft shadow across a three dimensional object.

There's a reason for shader model three requirements. The engine is revolutionary and new and poops on Crysis. It's just new, buggy and needs to get it's kinks worked out. As with any new game engine, the only way to figure out it's limitations and capabilities is to release it to the public.






Now, on to the topic I started please...


Is there anyone who could do some serious math to figure out predictions on what would happen to plex prices if the monocle was $5 and everyone in EVE cashed in a PLEX to purchase it?


Mytzso
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Peasants with easy access to status symbols? The barbarism of this idea appalls me

Hear hear, my esteemed Colleague. What next?

Crispin McTarmac
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:32:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Crispin McTarmac on 29/06/2011 09:32:05
I still wouldn't buy one, because it would just be a matter of customisation. The point of the monocle is that it implies that you've made so much isk in the game (through business or missioning or whatever) that you can afford to buy something that would cost 70$ if you paid for it with real money. Otherwise its just a useful tool if you want to make a patrick moore lookalike

Kaomond
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:40:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Kaomond on 29/06/2011 09:41:16
Originally by: Shivus Tao
Hanger view is really the biggest issue. Despite the valid arguments months ago that forced CQ and absence of the hanger view as an option breaks immersion rather than enhances it, they didn't seem to listen. And I seem to remember the original demo for incarna actually had an enter CQ button in the hanger view.


If this were "real" when you dock with the station where is the first place you would be?

In the hangar bay in your ship, having you port driectly into the CQ is emersion breaking, you should load onto the station in your ship in the old hangar view and have the choice to disembark and enter the CQ.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:41:00 - [13]
 

PLEX were expected to increase, most assumed the Nex prices would be far lower. However, considering all the canceled subscriptions due to the 'pay to win' concerns and the Nex prices being high, PLEX is retreating. Even had Nex prices been lower, the P2W issues would still be here along with the canceling of subscriptions.

All we know is, if Nex prices were lower, the equilibrium point of PLEX would have gone up. We can make the further assumption that, the changes in both the supply and demand, due to cancellations, would have lead to increased volitility and wider spreads, compounding with the higher equilibrium point. That's three data points all moving at once, two of which the market did not expect. We don't have access to the full spectrum of data globally, so we can only make generalized predictions of behaviors and absolutely none about price - the P2W cancellations being the clouding factor.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
...
Originally by: Kunming

Content.. we want some, waiting for gameplay content since awhile now!

Can you define what you mean by content in a sandbox?
...




Buckets.. u can fill water in the bucket or u can make sand castles out of buckets, or other creative uses. I said gameplay content, that means non aesthetical content, content with a gameplay use.. how else can I explain this?! F.ex alot of ppl are complaining (rightfully to some extend) super-carriers are too powerful and have no counter, why not add some T2 heavy bomber BC/BS for this issue.. or alot of ppl are waiting for the mining mini-game, which should solve the macro bots as well as the boredom of mining. Just 2 ideas out of my behind.. the list can go on and you know it.

There is still no official final word on the P2W issue.

On second thought I agree with you on the issues with the graphics engine.. its new, alright.

Back on topic, I doubt anyone would buy it, the fact that its butt ugly and knowing that you can always buy one since its cheap will nullify its value as a status symbol.

Conrad Lionhart
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:48:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 29/06/2011 09:06:39


What would have happened to the PLEX prices?

And in return... the rest of the EVE economy?

Lets add another question. If CCP introduced a whole bunch of items that were dirt cheap to the NeX store and made it worth cashing in thousands of PLEX's... not just Monocles?

I'm not too good with numbers, can some people help me out here?




Whether they sell the monocle for $5 or $70 won't make much of a difference. It's whichever model gives them the most income.
Do they sell at $5, and rely on volume to make a huge profit?
Or do they sell at $70, and rely on the small group of spenders?

PLEX prices I feel will increase a bit, because I don't know how many of the players will buy PLEX to buy something in the Noble Exchange store. There are many unknown factors.

Supply and demand of PLEX for people who buy PLEX for ISK should be unaffected.
Supply and demand of PLEX for people who buy PLEX to convert to AURUM will have no effect. They are buying their own PLEX for themselves. No PLEX is added to the economy.

Supply and demand of PLEX -> ISK is an unknown. How many people will buy PLEX with ISK for monocles? How many people will sell monocles for ISK?


 

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