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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.28 23:45:00 - [181]
 

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John does not particularly concerned that many people will quit playing the game because of changes in product mix in the game.

There is no facepalm big enough.

Brother Todd
Posted - 2011.06.28 23:53:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Brother Todd on 28/06/2011 23:53:44
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43
Originally by: Brother Todd
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.


Its not a translation if he "interprets" whats written there because "it doesn't make sense"...wtf, whats written in a newspaper doesnt make sense?

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?
Like, whats written, not what he "thinks" should be written or meant to be written.

His English is clearly very good. The translation is a lot better than what I could have done. You can't directly translate Icelandic to English, it would sound ridiculous.

The article is written to appeal to non-gaming Icelandic people who read that particular site. And it is poorly written and has awkward phrasing, so you're lucky that anyone bothered to translate it.

And I re-read his post. He never mentions "interpreting" anything... in fact the word isn't mentioned on the page at all, it's just a translation.

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Posted - 2011.06.29 00:17:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Brother Todd
Edited by: Brother Todd on 28/06/2011 23:53:44
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43
Originally by: Brother Todd
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.


Its not a translation if he "interprets" whats written there because "it doesn't make sense"...wtf, whats written in a newspaper doesnt make sense?

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?
Like, whats written, not what he "thinks" should be written or meant to be written.

His English is clearly very good. The translation is a lot better than what I could have done. You can't directly translate Icelandic to English, it would sound ridiculous.

The article is written to appeal to non-gaming Icelandic people who read that particular site. And it is poorly written and has awkward phrasing, so you're lucky that anyone bothered to translate it.

And I re-read his post. He never mentions "interpreting" anything... in fact the word isn't mentioned on the page at all, it's just a translation.


^^^ This. In fact, you can almost never perform a direct translation from one language to another with perfect accuracy. Grammar, structure, connotation, and context all play a part, and with idioms you can get tripped up pretty quickly. "Why are you ****ing a cow?" sounds like a ridiculous question in English (especially if you use it in a non-agricultural setting) but I'm told by a respected author in a widely circulated book that when used in Russian, it makes sense, as it is a Russian idiom for "Why are you slacking off?" or a similar general meaning. (Of course, that book was written back in the late 70s, and idioms themselves can change over time, so it may not be accurate.)

The translation on the OP now isn't a direct translation, but does carry the meaning and connotations associated with the statements. Sometimes exact translations may convey the exact opposite meaning that you mean to send. It also leads to such wonderful memes as "All your base are belong to us!"

Foxy Rabibit
Posted - 2011.06.29 01:03:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Foxy Rabibit on 29/06/2011 01:03:49
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?




It didn't occur to you that the problem can be with the original text.

My understanding of icelandic is fleeting at best, but between the original text and the translations I can see that most likely (unless certain words have different meanings than I think they have)the statements very deliberately leave a *lot* of wiggle-room. As in "EVE can't have P2W as you can't win"

(edit: Goshdarned typo :()

Roh Voleto
Posted - 2011.06.29 01:57:00 - [185]
 

I think we are now clearly past the point where one could excuse CCP's current actions with incompetence. They actually want to destroy their only income generating product.

Benilopax
Gallente
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.29 02:56:00 - [186]
 

I don't get it, from what I read of the translation CCP are not bringing in MT for P2W purposes for EVE. That plex could be considered P2W, and that CCP can't bind themselves to a pledge to never bring in P2W cos they can never know what the future holds for all their games.

Am I reading it wrong?

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.29 02:59:00 - [187]
 

AND THIS...
Originally by: Katrina Cortez
"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE



Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.06.29 03:07:00 - [188]
 

Quote:
A group of players who have the sandiest of vaginae have threatened to cancel their subs.

That is an excellent way to describe irritated players.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.29 03:53:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Quote:
A group of players who have the sandiest of vaginae have threatened to cancel their subs.

That is an excellent way to describe irritated players.

Y*E*A*S*T Infection?LaughingLaughing

Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.29 04:04:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 29/06/2011 04:04:42


CCP i don't have this months SUB Money, but im going to ask that you let me play anyways. For the following reasons.

1. Next week, my manager at work is going to meet with me, Im not neccessarily going to ask him for money, but we might talk about this situation, still, i ask that you wait till AFTER the meeting before you stop my account for non-payment.

2. Ive decided to pay in LuteFisk from now on. Because all of my money is being spent on other things now.Please don't stop my account for non-payment. I will ensure a proper amount of Lutefisk arrives, sometime after today. Over the next 18 months, i ask you to be patient. I WILL send the Lutefisk.

3. $1000 Jeans.

4. I am not going bankrupt, and it is for these reasons that i ask you to NOT stop my account despite lack of payment.

5. Its only a few days, can't you simply leave my account running until a later time. CCP - "When, how long?" Ill have to get back to you about that, just don't shut my account off, even though i havent paid this months sub. I promise to get back to you about the payment. You are a valued service provider.

6. Im going to try a new pay model. I start at zero, and then all money in excess after i spend money on anythign else, is all yours. but i ask that you continue to Develop the game as if it were 2005. This will help me pay for a different game ive started playing. In fact, i need you to make a small payment for me as i can not fully afford that game either. Please do not shut my account off, and please make a small payment on my behalf for this other mmorpg.

pfft. 1 second after your account expires, your account is shut off. Zero tolerance, zero discussion.

My english is not so good. So anywhere in this seeming argument where you feel it is neccessary to correct me, realize i am not in error, the error is in your thought process, or its just a language problem, you are in fact actually wrong, and my correctness maintains. please regard.

Troy LS
Posted - 2011.06.29 04:29:00 - [191]
 

I wonder if the word "as*hat* translates into icelandic.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.29 04:44:00 - [192]
 

He must not have read Zulu's blog about NOT being able to comment until after the CSM, or perhaps he's like Hilmar, and doesn't give a **** about us, cause we gonna pay anyway! right? nope, Sept 13th I'll finally shut the **** up.

AG

Richard Koslinsky
Posted - 2011.06.29 05:14:00 - [193]
 

Edited by: Richard Koslinsky on 29/06/2011 05:19:13
Edited by: Richard Koslinsky on 29/06/2011 05:16:25
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Whats more, they are absolutely going to throw PLEX in our faces.

"Youve already been P2Win via plex. You buy Plex, convert to ISK, buy Ship and WIN."

Guaranteed this gets thrown in our faces.

Ultimately, there is no Contract. People can come and go as they please.

Introduce P2W and people are leaving. At this point, they are just trying to hide it long enough a few dollars are brought in and the next crapsion is released.


And the direct argument to this is as follows:

Plex -> ISK -> Items simply redistributes ISK and items in the game economy. (Someone already owned the ISK, the PLEX transaction simply moved it from one player to another).

Plex -> AUR -> Items ADD ISK to the economy (as items could then be sold) which with a fiat currency which ISK is, causes inflation (since the ISK/item given to the person came directly from CCP manipulating a number in a database/file, not moving the ISK from a bank of ISK already in the game economy). The game market also can not stand for multiple sale prices on the same item, so any item that is similar to or same as items bought with AUR will have their in-game market prices go in turmoil, either high or low depending on what CCP set's the AUR price to be. If CCP sets the price high, it will cause further inflation on the in-game price of that item. If they set it low, all the people who are involved in current market trading, production, or aquisition of the item will not be able to compete as they have set costs for those activities, which will drive them all out of the market as it will not be profitable, which will cause the prices to inflat even higher (which is probably CCP's plans to begin with since that will mean people will then be using PLEX->AUR to get the item since it will be cheaper ISK wise until the PLEX market inflates even more, again to CCP's advantage because more people would be forced to buy the PLEX via real money, not in game).

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.29 05:53:00 - [194]
 

"John does not particularly concerned that many people will quit playing the game because of changes in product mix in the game." (http://t.co/7fcQN9V) answers the ONE question mentioned in the ThreadTitan a couple of times.

tangible benefits in business case is probably: net increase/decrease(!) in subscribers plus income from MT. Add development costs, brand damage, employee turnover costs etc. and you have the Return on Investment (ROI).


Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:06:00 - [195]
 

Hilmar getur ekki talaš viš žig nśna, hann er aš fara į japanska Tķskuverslun.

I just found my new quote!

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:49:00 - [196]
 

So the devblog on the 26th said:
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

And then an interview gets released on 28th.

And they wonder why we don't trust them..

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:51:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 29/06/2011 04:04:42


CCP i don't have this months SUB Money, but im going to ask that you let me play anyways. For the following reasons.

1. Next week, my manager at work is going to meet with me, Im not neccessarily going to ask him for money, but we might talk about this situation, still, i ask that you wait till AFTER the meeting before you stop my account for non-payment.

2. Ive decided to pay in LuteFisk from now on. Because all of my money is being spent on other things now.Please don't stop my account for non-payment. I will ensure a proper amount of Lutefisk arrives, sometime after today. Over the next 18 months, i ask you to be patient. I WILL send the Lutefisk.

3. $1000 Jeans.

4. I am not going bankrupt, and it is for these reasons that i ask you to NOT stop my account despite lack of payment.

5. Its only a few days, can't you simply leave my account running until a later time. CCP - "When, how long?" Ill have to get back to you about that, just don't shut my account off, even though i havent paid this months sub. I promise to get back to you about the payment. You are a valued service provider.

6. Im going to try a new pay model. I start at zero, and then all money in excess after i spend money on anythign else, is all yours. but i ask that you continue to Develop the game as if it were 2005. This will help me pay for a different game ive started playing. In fact, i need you to make a small payment for me as i can not fully afford that game either. Please do not shut my account off, and please make a small payment on my behalf for this other mmorpg.

pfft. 1 second after your account expires, your account is shut off. Zero tolerance, zero discussion.

My english is not so good. So anywhere in this seeming argument where you feel it is neccessary to correct me, realize i am not in error, the error is in your thought process, or its just a language problem, you are in fact actually wrong, and my correctness maintains. please regard.

too funny

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:56:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Teako
I would start worrying on the other side of the earth Laughing


We Australians will welcome them (and the time-adjusted daily downtime) with open arms!

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:01:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Brother Todd
Edited by: Brother Todd on 28/06/2011 23:53:44
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43
Originally by: Brother Todd
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.


Its not a translation if he "interprets" whats written there because "it doesn't make sense"...wtf, whats written in a newspaper doesnt make sense?

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?
Like, whats written, not what he "thinks" should be written or meant to be written.

His English is clearly very good. The translation is a lot better than what I could have done. You can't directly translate Icelandic to English, it would sound ridiculous.

The article is written to appeal to non-gaming Icelandic people who read that particular site. And it is poorly written and has awkward phrasing, so you're lucky that anyone bothered to translate it.

And I re-read his post. He never mentions "interpreting" anything... in fact the word isn't mentioned on the page at all, it's just a translation.


Look, i'm not ungreatfull, but as i had the priviledge to grow up speaking 3 languages, i know very well how difficult it can be.

All i'm saing is, let it do someone who actually knows what he is doing. If you have the feeling it doesn't make sense what you are translating, DON'T. Better nothing then wrong impressions.

edith prickley
Posted - 2011.06.29 10:06:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
So the devblog on the 26th said:
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

And then an interview gets released on 28th.

And they wonder why we don't trust them..


Hey, it may be the Icelandic taxpayer that ends up bailing these guys out. They deserve the same insincere reassurances that we got.

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:42:00 - [201]
 

WTF does olliš mean?

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:33:00 - [202]
 

**** CCP

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:49:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Joe Skellington
WTF does olliš mean?


Pants

Dephlan Gruss
Posted - 2011.06.30 06:50:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: quite cute kinda
CCP ZULU: Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

Way to go guys, you couldn't even wait until the csm meeting.



/THIS

But it fits well to Hilmars mail, the fearless dead wish and Zulus Blogs.

R.I.P. EvE Sandbox 2003-2011

robbyx
Posted - 2011.06.30 07:00:00 - [205]
 

Dont forget to post negative comments where ever you go...especially places like youtube.

CCP has a ton of videos up on youtube...go tell potential customers that CCP doesnt want them....and what they realy think of their current players.


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