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LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:16:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...



Wish I had your client without the "Accept these terms" button when you first installed EVE. Wink






Those terms are illegal by definition, it is a scam, pay us this much and follow our instructions but all your stuff belongs to us.

Same thing really when the bank prints paper money out of nothing and then says sorry England you're in debt and must pay us back that money with interest...#

So what I'm saying is **** your stupid terms and conditions because they don't have any real power, I paid to use this service i should have everything i gained with my time as my own property.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:17:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Can I haz ur stuffz pls?

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:22:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Can I haz ur stuffz pls?


No you can not, I paid for my characters, for years they belong to ME not CCP, my account belongs to me i ****ing paid for it, I paid for the game and account and it belongs to me not them.

You sir are just a dumbass not prepared to stand up for your rights as a human on this free earth.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:24:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Can I haz ur stuffz pls?


No you can not, I paid for my characters, for years they belong to ME not CCP, my account belongs to me i ****ing paid for it, I paid for the game and account and it belongs to me not them.

You sir are just a dumbass not prepared to stand up for your rights as a human on this free earth.


But ur stuffz, I wantz.

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:30:00 - [185]
 

A guy sued the doctors and hospital for circumcising him when he was too young to even decide if he would want that. That is the power people actually have if they stop and turn round and tell people to **** off because if you get down to it you are actually being shafted all the way through you life and you just allow it due to some micky mouse contract that does not stand in court if you have a brain.

In debt of 3000 or more? write it off, like srsly what can they do? Nothing that's what, reclaim your money and live a better life.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:43:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 10/08/2011 21:43:29
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Except, of course, that they can ban your account. Then you have nothing.

It might interest you to know that (contrary to urban myth) in every case that I am aware of where a online game companies EULA has been brought into question legally, the EULA has been upheld.

Quote:
Well i'd say thats news to me but since they are releasing dust on the PS, I'd think they have indeed sold their soles so to speak. The moment CCP stand along side with sony is the moment I delete all my characters because sony are an evil company that actually kills people that speak out against them...


Oh my, I think we need a citation on that one. Laughing

Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
Posted - 2011.08.11 11:26:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror


No you can not, I paid for my characters, for years they belong to ME not CCP, my account belongs to me i ****ing paid for it, I paid for the game and account and it belongs to me not them.

You sir are just a dumbass not prepared to stand up for your rights as a human on this free earth.


Sorry, but you are dead wrong. EULA and TOS for nearly every MMO clearly state that any in-game items, including currency, ships, modules and even characters, all belong to CCP. You don't own a single thing in-game.

The monthly subscription you pay is a rental fee. It's like paying for an apartment or a storage unit - you do not own the apartment or any of the appliances that came with the apartment, nor do you own any of the utilities that service your apartment. What you pay for is the privilege to use the apartment for as long as you decide to pay for said apartment.

This is why CCP is able to ban anyone for any reason, subjective or not, and you won't be able to sue. If I were you, I'd learn to read a contract before you agree to it's terms, otherwise, you look like an idiot, since you have legally acknowledged that you have read and fully understand the terms and conditions, yet you come to the forums and cry about what you obviously do not comprehend due to sheer incompetence on your part.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.11 11:36:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Nova Kira

Sorry, but you are dead wrong. EULA and TOS for nearly every MMO clearly state that any in-game items, including currency, ships, modules and even characters, all belong to CCP. You don't own a single thing in-game.

...

This is why CCP is able to ban anyone for any reason, subjective or not, and you won't be able to sue. If I were you, I'd learn to read a contract before you agree to it's terms, otherwise, you look like an idiot, since you have legally acknowledged that you have read and fully understand the terms and conditions, yet you come to the forums and cry about what you obviously do not comprehend due to sheer incompetence on your part.

fully agree. This is big problem of whole "protest" in Eve: it doesn't have any reasonable basis. While i agree with those guys that CCP does something wrong i can't support such badly advertised action....

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:39:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Can I haz ur stuffz pls?


No you can not, I paid for my characters, for years they belong to ME not CCP, my account belongs to me i ****ing paid for it, I paid for the game and account and it belongs to me not them.

You sir are just a dumbass not prepared to stand up for your rights as a human on this free earth.


i am sorry to tell you, but you didnt pay for your characters, you paid to access the servers, everything on the servers belong to CCP. you really need to understand this

Romar Family
Posted - 2011.08.11 17:33:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
You must feel super safe and warm and fuzzy, what if that was to change and suddenly you explode ...

You seem to think everyone who would buy from the NEX would be a toothless carebear...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... and the last scenes you see in your pod is a late arrival of concord ...

...living in highsec...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... after your lovely expensive faction fitted ship ...

... having no grasp of metagame mechanics ...
... would care about ISK ...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... has been destroyed. Then someone pods you for the lulz and destroys your expensive implants, ...

... again care about ISK ...

Interesting look into your psyche, thanks...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... god damn all that wasted real life money, it must suck to be you.

Real life money items don't get destroyed when podded...

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.11 17:57:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Romar Family
Originally by: LittleTerror
You must feel super safe and warm and fuzzy, what if that was to change and suddenly you explode ...

You seem to think everyone who would buy from the NEX would be a toothless carebear...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... and the last scenes you see in your pod is a late arrival of concord ...

...living in highsec...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... after your lovely expensive faction fitted ship ...

... having no grasp of metagame mechanics ...
... would care about ISK ...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... has been destroyed. Then someone pods you for the lulz and destroys your expensive implants, ...

... again care about ISK ...

Interesting look into your psyche, thanks...

Originally by: LittleTerror
... god damn all that wasted real life money, it must suck to be you.

Real life money items don't get destroyed when podded...

She was sayin "what if they could be destroyed", and implying I would cry like a little girl with a skinned knee at the thought of monetary loss.

Truth be told, I have bought 3 GTC's in 2008/9 and will never pay for EvE out of my pocket again unless real life commitments stop me from being able to log in. EvEn if monocles were destroyable.

I love the PLEX system and will always fully support the NEX store, until non cosmetic items are introduced. It allows me to spend 52 bucks a month that I cant take out of my budget. The NEX store allows me to give someone else's money and provides an ISK sink. Some people will never comprehend the need for an ISK sink, as a professional Eve-conomist I fully understand.


Kraven Stark
Caldari
Atavism Industries
Posted - 2011.08.11 18:05:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Can I haz ur stuffz pls?


No you can not, I paid for my characters, for years they belong to ME not CCP, my account belongs to me i ****ing paid for it, I paid for the game and account and it belongs to me not them.

You sir are just a dumbass not prepared to stand up for your rights as a human on this free earth.


I completely agree that people should stand up for their rights. That said, your ideas of what your legal rights are seem to be a little... well... off.

If you willingly agree to a TOS, while not necessarily being a 100% legal document, they do layout how the service works and you have agreed to those terms. You could file a lawsuit if you are not happy about what has transpired; however, there is little difference between the person who will bang on their rage drum all day and not do anything of any real substance and the person who goes along with the scheme and never says a word.

TLDR: File a lawsuit or get over it.

Naran Eto
Posted - 2011.08.11 18:28:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'd like to remind people you're a human being and have rights and are never tied to some stupid ****ing contract that says you can not sell what YOU worked for in this game. Everything in this game you own is your property since you have worked for it, you did not code it into the game but you worked for those items and they do not belong to CCP since you paid them to use their servers and that means anything you created belongs to you not them.

You want to ****ing have a go at what I just said ccp then lets go then...

I'm a human being that is ****ed off of being ****ing over and stood on by company's who simple think they are above me, well you're not above me and you will never be above me. Everything in eve on my account belongs to ****ing me since I paid for that, I paid to access your servers and then create content for my self, you do not own that content I'm sorry but you don't, you did not sit there for hours at a time to earn it dumbasses...


Can I haz ur stuffz pls?


No you can not, I paid for my characters, for years they belong to ME not CCP, my account belongs to me i ****ing paid for it, I paid for the game and account and it belongs to me not them.

You sir are just a dumbass not prepared to stand up for your rights as a human on this free earth.


Haha, you're so funny.

You do not own anything, you have been paying for access to the account on their servers, everything on the account in every legal sense of the term is CCP's intellectual property and they retain owenership of it.

Tza Omi
Posted - 2011.08.11 19:18:00 - [194]
 

When you think about it destroying some poor miners 100 million + isk hulk isn't especially cool if you are the miner, i mean it is a tech 2 ship so you can't rationalize it as insured losses. I think a Dramielaggedon would be more fun and cost the victims just as much

Zyress
Posted - 2011.08.11 19:32:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: LittleTerror
A guy sued the doctors and hospital for circumcising him when he was too young to even decide if he would want that. That is the power people actually have if they stop and turn round and tell people to **** off because if you get down to it you are actually being shafted all the way through you life and you just allow it due to some micky mouse contract that does not stand in court if you have a brain.

In debt of 3000 or more? write it off, like srsly what can they do? Nothing that's what, reclaim your money and live a better life.



Presumably the guys parents were consulted, if he has the right to sue anyone it should be his parents.

Anne Qirna
Posted - 2011.09.05 09:23:00 - [196]
 

Glad it's over but isn't it strange tghat we complained about it for years. But until some of us miners openly talked of witholding subcriptions for the month of hulkageddon nothinbg was done.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.09.05 09:28:00 - [197]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 05/09/2011 09:29:34
Originally by: Anne Qirna
Glad it's over but isn't it strange tghat we complained about it for years. But until some of us miners openly talked of witholding subcriptions for the month of hulkageddon nothinbg was done.


yeah thats not what happened....
way to feel self important tho

Helicity "IRL threatened" a CCP employee (told them to diaf) and was permabanned

Guess she was what was holding it together

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.09.05 09:34:00 - [198]
 

its not okay to treathen someone in anyway.
But hes right. CCP fecked up, and EVE s dieing. Numbers are going down drasticly.
Mabe winter wll help getting more players online.

Based on feeling and 8 years of playing. i come to a conclusion that eve has peaked.
However lets hope im wrong.


Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.09.05 09:47:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Garia666
its not okay to treathen someone in anyway.



Yeah... if that was the case this game would be hello kitty space adventures

Indy Rider
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.09.05 11:03:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Indy Rider on 05/09/2011 11:04:53
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira

Helicity "IRL threatened" a CCP employee (told them to diaf) and was permabanned

Guess she was what was holding it together


He was since unbanned but hasn't returned to eve.

Proof

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:02:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Indy Rider
Edited by: Indy Rider on 05/09/2011 11:04:53
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira

Helicity "IRL threatened" a CCP employee (told them to diaf) and was permabanned

Guess she was what was holding it together


He was since unbanned but hasn't returned to eve.

Proof


Id like to see him post before Ill believe it lol
CCP doesnt often admit they made a knee-jerk reaction (see kugutusmen - the fact that his spelled right name is STILL banned from the forums after what 4 years). Could be cause Mittens is talking about "starting fires" and "bring your gasoline" an they dont wanna ban HIM oh no


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