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Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:39:00 - [121]
 

The email explaining the reason for the ban is on Helicity's website. And, it has been confirmed by CCP as true.

Perhaps if you knew how to internet...

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:42:00 - [122]
 

Telling someone to go DIAF in a fit of rage is about as much of a death threat as telling someone to f*** off is r*pe.

Maxx Q Omega
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:48:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
*long, drawn-out sigh*

At what point in "please don't ever unban me" did you draw the conclusion that Helicity didn't understand what was going on?

Your blatant ignorance illustrates the veracity of my entire post.

In the words of the guys at 7-11 that obviously have both more intelligence and a higher income than you, "thank you, come again."

Veracity? More like melodramatic drivel... Fewl...

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:51:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
The email explaining the reason for the ban is on Helicity's website. And, it has been confirmed by CCP as true.

Perhaps if you knew how to internet...


Where is the statement from CCP verifying the contents of said email?

Just sayin...can't find it...

I liked Helicity, very entertaining guy, and for the most part I would consider him a pretty stand up guy, don't know him irl, but that's my impression. Unfortunate things happened and it sucks, but believing everything you read on the internet isn't always the best policy.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:55:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
Hi.
I'm Helicity's new mouthpiece.


Is he paying you real life money to post all this worship? Or are you the one of his accts CCP didn't know about when the ban hammer came down?

Mr Epeen Cool

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:55:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 09/08/2011 18:55:42
Originally by: Hwong Jian
The email explaining the reason for the ban is on Helicity's website. And, it has been confirmed by CCP as true.

Perhaps if you knew how to internet...


I actually wasted part of my day reading it myself. What was posted on his site was replies from CCP about various things with his opinions added. If you consider that "confirmed" whatever.

Here is my final opinion on it, and you are entitled to your own.

Its *******s like that that ruin games for people. This ****er made career out of griefing and became EvE famous over it. Now hes gone and there's a handful of people upset. Good riddance.

As far as the facts go, independent from my opinion, he broke MULTIPLE forum rules, including 4, 6, 8, 9, 11. You can't say that didn't happen, and if you think it's unfair all I can say is thats too bad, huh?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:00:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
Oh god...

Did you...?

I mean, really....?

Hang on a sec.

Judges? ...

We have come to a consensus, Ranger 1.

You are either trolling, and deserve 4/10 for your effort (points deducted for making yourself look like an idiot in the process) or you actually are THAT stupid.

"The flood of tears and rage" that you are observing are from the pro and anti Helicity ban camps.

The fact that you are attributing the contents of this post in any way to Helicity Boson's feelings or comments swings the needle fairly mightily in the direction of "stupid" and away from "troll".

Helicity isn't posting in this thread. Helicity isn't posting on his blog. Helicity is done with EVE. But, since EVE is a sandbox and the actions of one person have the ability to affect everyone. And, since Hulkageddon has been running for more years than you've been playing EVE, EVE isn't done with Helicity.

If you wish to continue attributing the effect of a sandbox game to an individual player, by all means, do so. It's not like I can stop you from being stupid.

PS: I bolded the only parts you're going to pay attention to that way you don't have to strain your meager intellect on understanding the complexities involved in Helicity not being a part of this thread.


Actually, I was referring specifically to Helicity's blog, which is full of such tear and rage filled gems as...

Quote:
If I had known you would have the nerve to post this ****...


Quote:
Zindfandel is the worst kind of scum.


Quote:
You people work for _us_ not the other way around, the food in your mouths is the food we buy for you.


Quote:
Your game is dying, your next two games will be stillborn. And by banning me you have just martyred me in the eyes of your customers.


Quote:
I will never stop. I will watch every move CCP makes, and every time your guys inevitably screw it up, I will make sure there is another 100 page threadnaught and a dozen mocking articles on every gaming news site.


Quote:
Eve was my passion, my treasured hobby, my favorite pastime. And when you guys decide to **** with that, I will literally come down on you like a ton of bricks. I have the players’ ears now, not you. You would do well to remember that.



I would say, without fear of contradiction, that Helicity's own blog posts are the very definition of "tears and rage".

My point is made and you, apparently, are still seeking to find one.

Please continue your personal attacks, your attempts to change what was actually said to fit your arguments, and your attempts to impress the forum posters with your "I'll speak to anyone as I see fit without repercussions" line of crap. The lasting impression you are making with these people is not the one you would prefer. Smile

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:01:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
I actually wasted part of my day reading it myself. What was posted on his site was replies from CCP about various things with his opinions added. If you consider that "confirmed" whatever.

Here is my final opinion on it, and you are entitled to your own.

Its *******s like that that ruin games for people. This ****er made career out of griefing and became EvE famous over it. Now hes gone and there's a handful of people upset. Good riddance.

As far as the facts go, independent from my opinion, he broke MULTIPLE forum rules, including 4, 6, 8, 9, 11. You can't say that didn't happen, and if you think it's unfair all I can say is thats too bad, huh?

Yeah I read his stupid forum too. It's 30 seconds of my life I can never get back. But when I read it all I saw was the ranting of an immature nutcase...

JC Ferguson
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:04:00 - [129]
 

As the foremost expert on frivolous/unjustified CCP griefing, I'd say that Helicity's punishment was harsh (in that it was permanent,) but not entirely unreasonable. He comes off as completely unhinged imo, and consequently did a disservice to the protest.

If you don't think that what he said could reasonably be construed as a rl threat, please try sending identical sentiments to your nation's current leader and let us know how it works out for you.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:06:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 09/08/2011 19:07:08
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 09/08/2011 19:06:22
My bad Brundle, carry on.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:06:00 - [131]
 

Quoting hellicity

Quote:
I will never stop. I will watch every move CCP makes, and every time your guys inevitably screw it up, I will make sure there is another 100 page threadnaught and a dozen mocking articles on every gaming news site.

This one was priceless. Whatta goof....

Quote:
Eve was my passion, my treasured hobby, my favorite pastime. And when you guys decide to **** with that, I will literally come down on you like a ton of bricks. I have the players’ ears now, not you. You would do well to remember that.

This guy is truely delusional...

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:10:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
My bad Brundle, carry on.

LaughingLaughingLaughing

I was going to reply to your post in the positive, when I clicked it and saw the edit I thought I was on drugs.


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:22:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Quoting hellicity

Quote:
I will never stop. I will watch every move CCP makes, and every time your guys inevitably screw it up, I will make sure there is another 100 page threadnaught and a dozen mocking articles on every gaming news site.

This one was priceless. Whatta goof....

Quote:
Eve was my passion, my treasured hobby, my favorite pastime. And when you guys decide to **** with that, I will literally come down on you like a ton of bricks. I have the players’ ears now, not you. You would do well to remember that.

This guy is truely delusional...


This one is even better, and fully puts into perspective his overblown sense of drama:

Quote:
And by banning me you have just martyred me in the eyes of your customers.


I'm ashamed to say I bust out laughing every time I read it. Embarassed

Takamori Maruyama
Amarr
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:25:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Takamori Maruyama on 09/08/2011 19:25:59
Hell why this new players, fanboys w/e against old players?

You guys need to chill and work this over, see the game have his flaws, but its not entirely made of it.I just hope that CCP, reverse the Helicity ban, I don't know who is the player or what happened when the monocle riot exploded ( Im just 20 days old in this game), but it seen someone that contributed and enjoyed the game a lot.
That sort of people you don't simply throw off.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:28:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Hwong Jian
Hi.
I'm Helicity's new mouthpiece.


Is he paying you real life money to post all this worship? Or are you the one of his accts CCP didn't know about when the ban hammer came down?

Mr Epeen Cool


After reading the posts from this hwong jian, I was inclined to believe it might be the latter.....

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:43:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Takamori Maruyama
That sort of people you don't simply throw off.

Based on whose standards? The guy is a nut case, EVE is better off with out him.

Sewer Urchin
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:06:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Quoting hellicity

Quote:
I will never stop. I will watch every move CCP makes, and every time your guys inevitably screw it up, I will make sure there is another 100 page threadnaught and a dozen mocking articles on every gaming news site.

This one was priceless. Whatta goof....

Quote:
Eve was my passion, my treasured hobby, my favorite pastime. And when you guys decide to **** with that, I will literally come down on you like a ton of bricks. I have the players’ ears now, not you. You would do well to remember that.

This guy is truely delusional...


Don't know if I would have permabanned him, but I certainly would've egged him on a bit longer to see what other kind of disillusioned evil schemes to destroy CCP and all of their spawn forever and always he could come up with.

Yay impotent nerd rage.

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:35:00 - [138]
 

@Ranger 1: Congrats on milking tears out of a website that hasn't been updated in 5 weeks. You, sir, are a master of beating dead horses.

@Mr. Epeen: Did you miss the part where I said "I support the ban, just not for the reason stated"? Were you born this stupid or is this the result of years of practice?

notsureifserious.jpg

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:51:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/08/2011 20:52:48
Originally by: Hwong Jian
@Ranger 1: Congrats on milking tears out of a website that hasn't been updated in 5 weeks. You, sir, are a master of beating dead horses.


So which is it, he didn't mean what he said when he wrote it... or he's had a change of heart recently?

When did the ban we are discussing happen?

Oh thats right. It happened just before the blog we are discussing was written.

Relevance, look it up.



Originally by: Hwong Jian
@Mr. Epeen: Did you miss the part where I said "I support the ban, just not for the reason stated"? Were you born this stupid or is this the result of years of practice?

notsureifserious.jpg


Mr. Epeen can put you in your place on his own with no help from me, but do you really mean to state that telling him that he was banned because his post was "inappropriate and quite offensive" is an unsuitable or unexpected response to what was written?

That's a bit of a stretch for you to justify, don't you think...

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:20:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
So which is it, he didn't mean what he said when he wrote it... or he's had a change of heart recently?

When did the ban we are discussing happen?

Oh thats right. It happened just before the blog we are discussing was written.

Relevance, look it up.


I do not understand your question. Most likely, this is because you do not understand my point. Allow me to state it again:

- I do not care that Helicity was banned.
- I do not care that Helicity has a blog/soapbox.
- I believe that the reasons stated for Helicity being banned are a lie.
- No variant of "die in a fire" constitutes a personal threat.
- Personal threats must include the phrase "I will" in some form and describe an act of violence.
- CCP stated that the reason for banning Helicity was him issuing a "personal threat".
- The ban was not for using a dev's real name. See above.
- I do not appreciate being lied to.
- I believe that CCP has the right to ban players for any reason they desire. But, see above.

So, since absolutely NOTHING I've said is an attempt to justify or apologize for Helicity's actions, what is the relevance of your question?

Perhaps you would be so kind as to rephrase it in a way that makes sense.

Originally by: Ranger 1
Mr. Epeen can put you in your place on his own with no help from me, but do you really mean to state that telling him that he was banned because his post was "inappropriate and quite offensive" is an unsuitable or unexpected response to what was written?

That's a bit of a stretch for you to justify, don't you think...


Mr. Epeen looks like EVE's version of a gay Vin Diesel and he does nothing more than attempt to troll every topic in which he posts. He unfortunately can't put me in my place by saying "hurr durr, alt detected."

As for the "inappropriate and quite offensive", .... what?

His blog was written AFTER the ban. So, using the contents of that blog to justify the ban is highly illogical. And, as has been said quite a few times in this thread, Helicity was banned for "issuing a personal threat" against an employee of CCP.

He was not banned for saying something "inappropriate and quite offensive".

Could you please rephrase your post for me in a way that addresses the topic at hand?

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:35:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian

- I do not care that Helicity was banned.
- I do not care that Helicity has a blog/soapbox.



Now you're just lying to yourself. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting about it again in this thread.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:37:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/08/2011 21:40:42
Originally by: Hwong Jian
Originally by: Ranger 1
So which is it, he didn't mean what he said when he wrote it... or he's had a change of heart recently?

When did the ban we are discussing happen?

Oh thats right. It happened just before the blog we are discussing was written.

Relevance, look it up.


I do not understand your question. Most likely, this is because you do not understand my point. Allow me to state it again:

- I do not care that Helicity was banned.
- I do not care that Helicity has a blog/soapbox.
- I believe that the reasons stated for Helicity being banned are a lie.
- No variant of "die in a fire" constitutes a personal threat.
- Personal threats must include the phrase "I will" in some form and describe an act of violence.
- CCP stated that the reason for banning Helicity was him issuing a "personal threat".
- The ban was not for using a dev's real name. See above.
- I do not appreciate being lied to.
- I believe that CCP has the right to ban players for any reason they desire. But, see above.

So, since absolutely NOTHING I've said is an attempt to justify or apologize for Helicity's actions, what is the relevance of your question?

Perhaps you would be so kind as to rephrase it in a way that makes sense.

Originally by: Ranger 1
Mr. Epeen can put you in your place on his own with no help from me, but do you really mean to state that telling him that he was banned because his post was "inappropriate and quite offensive" is an unsuitable or unexpected response to what was written?

That's a bit of a stretch for you to justify, don't you think...


Mr. Epeen looks like EVE's version of a gay Vin Diesel and he does nothing more than attempt to troll every topic in which he posts. He unfortunately can't put me in my place by saying "hurr durr, alt detected."

As for the "inappropriate and quite offensive", .... what?

His blog was written AFTER the ban. So, using the contents of that blog to justify the ban is highly illogical. And, as has been said quite a few times in this thread, Helicity was banned for "issuing a personal threat" against an employee of CCP.

He was not banned for saying something "inappropriate and quite offensive".

Could you please rephrase your post for me in a way that addresses the topic at hand?


Perhaps you should re-read Helicity's blog, including the direct quote from CCP stating why he was banned.

I kind of like how you keep trying to take what was said out of context. It shows initiative and a real go-getter attitude. Like the whole...

Quote:
His blog was written AFTER the ban. So, using the contents of that blog to justify the ban is highly illogical.


... thing, when the part that was quoted (briefly so as not to violate forum rules) was clearly written by CCP as the reason as to why the ban happened.

Unfortunately, most people on these forums have basic reading comprehension skills and are a bit more difficult to confuse than that.

Still, nice try.

I like this as well.

Quote:
No variant of "die in a fire" constitutes a personal threat.


Most places of buisness would disagree with you. It may be common slang in some area's to refer to any woman as *****, but if you address a bank teller or a sales woman in that manner you would quickly be shown the door. Slang phrases common on the net or in a section of society does not make them socially acceptable to the general populace.

As you point out, CCP can ban him for whatever reason they like. Likewise, if they chose to interpret his statements as threatening, they are entirely justified in that as well... despite how you would personally interpret them.

Do you still wish to continue this little passive/aggressive game you are playing? Or do you wish to continue to troll the thread defending your personal opinion (that nobody particularly cares about) on CCP's stated reasons for the ban.

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:53:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Most places of buisness would disagree with you. It may be common slang in some area's to refer to any woman as *****, but if you address a bank teller or a sales woman in that manner you would quickly be shown the door. Slang phrases common on the net or in a section of society does not make them socially acceptable to the general populace.

As you point out, CCP can ban him for whatever reason they like. Likewise, if they chose to interpret his statements as threatening, they are entirely justified in that as well... despite how you would personally interpret them.




Ok. A few quick questions:
- The generalization "most places of business" is based on what?
- Slang is defined as "very informal usage in vocabulary and idiom that is characteristically more metaphorical, playful, elliptical, vivid, and ephemeral than ordinary language". So, are variants of "die in a fire" slang or threats?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:59:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
Originally by: Ranger 1
Most places of buisness would disagree with you. It may be common slang in some area's to refer to any woman as *****, but if you address a bank teller or a sales woman in that manner you would quickly be shown the door. Slang phrases common on the net or in a section of society does not make them socially acceptable to the general populace.

As you point out, CCP can ban him for whatever reason they like. Likewise, if they chose to interpret his statements as threatening, they are entirely justified in that as well... despite how you would personally interpret them.




Ok. A few quick questions:
- The generalization "most places of business" is based on what?
- Slang is defined as "very informal usage in vocabulary and idiom that is characteristically more metaphorical, playful, elliptical, vivid, and ephemeral than ordinary language". So, are variants of "die in a fire" slang or threats?



Come on Hwong, you're slipping.

Your trolling with no substance or even a vague attempt at making a point pertinent to the thread is becoming far too obvious.

Keep this up and you won't be entertaining to us anymore. Crying or Very sad

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:29:00 - [145]
 

Why ban something interesting? just because a small amount of players got upset? Bring it back.

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:31:00 - [146]
 

does anyone else find it ironic that the leader of an organization set up mainly to cause tears and aggravation to those that are unprepared and defenseless goes all rage and weepy when he is attacked by a foe that he is unprepared for and completely defenseless from?

karma is a lot like someone i dated, she was a ***** too you know.

Kainath
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:38:00 - [147]
 

Quote:
does anyone else find it ironic that the leader of an organization set up mainly to cause tears and aggravation to those that are unprepared and defenseless goes all rage and weepy when he is attacked by a foe that he is unprepared for and completely defenseless from?

karma is a lot like someone i dated, she was a ***** too you know


Good observation, sir, that made me laugh.Smile

Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:40:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Hecatonis
does anyone else find it ironic that the leader of an organization set up mainly to cause tears and aggravation to those that are unprepared and defenseless goes all rage and weepy when he is attacked by a foe that he is unprepared for and completely defenseless from?

karma is a lot like someone i dated, she was a ***** too you know.
I lolled irl.

Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.08.10 04:34:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Cloora on 10/08/2011 04:43:04
Originally by: Hwong Jian

I'm still employed? Because I do my job better than he does his. Of course, since you're on the internet accusing people of being children, you probably don't know anything about careers or job



From this I can derive you work at someplace insignificant and that runs nothing like a real company. I know this because I am actually an adult and have real responsibilities to my wife and children. I would never risk my career at one of the biggest companies in the world to give my boss a piece of my mind. Your horrible post just proved the other guy right. Bravo

Also, Helicity alt detected...

Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
Posted - 2011.08.10 04:38:00 - [150]
 

EVE Is becoming soft. Razz


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