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Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.08 14:50:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: mechtech
They permabanned ALL of his accounts for saying a variant of "die in a fire"?!?!

Geez CCP... that deserves a 7-14 day forum gag, not a ban.

So much for freedom of the players, it looks like this was a way for CCP to get rid of someone playing the game in a way they didn't like.


In my experience on the other side of gaming forum moderation, it takes a LOT to get perma banned from a video game forum usually. There is probably a lot more history behind it than any of us know anything about.

I think we "perma-banned" one guy in EQ2 like 7 times Laughing, came about 5 minutes from perma-banning his actual account from the game a few more...Faabio became a forum legend within six months of trolling over there...and CCP is waaaaaay more lenient on forum moderation than SOE ever was or will be.

Justice Starcatcher
Volatile Nature
Posted - 2011.08.08 14:58:00 - [62]
 

Good riddance.

Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:05:00 - [63]
 

I really don't understand why people are offended by Helicity's ban.

If the Tournaments taught us anything, it was that the metagame is CCP approved. Helicity lost at the metagame and cost him/her the rest of the game.

I'm also never shocked when rude and abrasive people are disciplined for being rude and abrasive.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:14:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
No. Not EvEn close. Its against the TOS to even say someones real name on the forum, let alone threaten them.

Its a world of difference.


The 'real name' argument does not stick as his real name is well known. Not like the guy was being outed.
(I'd post the name but I don't wanna get banhammered Razz)
This is just arbitrary way out of proportions punishment as he annoyed CCP.
I don't even particularly like or know Helicity, but I will miss the community service he provided.

Nth Ares
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:42:00 - [65]
 

It's not an acceptable way to speak publicly. We are not all a bunch of kids passing a joint around and cracking jokes. CCP are not your buddies. Memes and trash talk culture don't make it right. Speaking to someone in a threatening way, and using a real name in that manner, is not a joke.

A permaban does seem a little extreme to me, but it is their natural right to choose not to associate with some people. It's like, "You really ****ed me off, and I'm never speaking to you again." Just, in this case "speaking" means allowing you to connect to their servers.

Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:52:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Louis deGuerre

The 'real name' argument does not stick as his real name is well known. Not like the guy was being outed.
(I'd post the name but I don't wanna get banhammered Razz)



I usually don't do this often, but your self-contradiction was so blatant... I couldn't resist.

Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:12:00 - [67]
 

Why would they remove Hulkageddon? Hi- sec life is already too easy. Now there is no risk of being killed? WTF!

Hulkageddon is the closest thing to an ISK sink that we have. Your welcome CCP.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:08:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 08/08/2011 17:07:54
CCP is the most tolerant game company I have ever seen when it comes to what they allow on their forums. Even I, a person who has been perma-banned from many a game forum, would actually like it if they perma-banned more of the people who use this forum. It gets old after a while seeing idiots whine and moan and then flame all the time Neutral.

I mean seriously, you all who are defending this helicity person who suggested that dying in a fire would be too quick for someone on this forum are just a bunch of losers. Get a life. This is something more than deserving of a perma-ban from the forums.

Maxx Q Omega
Posted - 2011.08.08 18:55:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Tyburn Stannis
Because it was directed at somebody's REAL NAME.

Big difference between "all CCP devs should go kill themselves for this fail patch" and "You, John Smith, are going to get a knife in the back if I ever find you"

Now who the hell is John Smith? Did he do something wrong now???




No No I get it, just kidding....

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:11:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 08/08/2011 19:14:04
Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 08/08/2011 19:13:30
Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 08/08/2011 19:11:47
I think I'll explain this in a form that not even CCP can deny.

I have been banned off quite a few gaming forums and I'll tell you how it works.

You can criticise or attack them for the way they handle things but in the end they'll only ban you for a long period of time or permanently if you break one of their 'other' rules but they'll add up the time the more you make them look bad and make a fuss. For instance, I just got a 14 day ban on this very forum for posting ASCII in the EVE is real trailer sticky thread, but to me it seems like they're just wanting to ban people who make the most fuss and then use something trivial like that as a reason to ban them. So that way they can say "Ah! But he wasn't banned for speaking out against us! It was because he posted this!", it's pretty much the way police handle people using swearing or protesting. If they get attacked by one or two people they'll claim the whole crowd was acting violent even if it was the police being violent in the first place.

Yes I do consider giving CCP the middle finger through ASCII art trivial, that's my right to freedom of expression. I can't believe I'm about to say this but if they don't like criticism or people talking to them freely then they should do what EA did at first with Warhammer Online and not even bother putting up a forum.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:19:00 - [71]
 

Well if the link here is from the banned player and not edited in anyway it was a 90 day ban upgraded to a permaban after he tried to pull a "you would not dare, I AM IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!" move.

Moral of the story is don't call a bluff when you have no hole cards or leverage, it might not turn out to be a bluff.

Self important self indugent numpty meets real life, real life wins.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:42:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Valei Khurelem

Yes I do consider giving CCP the middle finger through ASCII art trivial, that's my right to freedom of expression.


Actually it's not, I don't know why people keep thinking they have the right to post whatever the **** they want without consequence.

Whatever laws your home government grant you in regards to expression do not apply here or anywhere else that is a privately owned and operated business. They only apply to what you can and can't do in regards to your relationship with your government. Period.

Tuhikya
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:49:00 - [73]
 

posting in a "mechs are not as good as I thought I want to come back" Helicity alt thread

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.09 05:23:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 09/08/2011 05:24:10
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Baillif
Telling someone to die in a fire is fine (happens all the time) but telling them dying in a fire is too quick to be considered satisfactory is apparently crossing some sort of line.


Oh yes, I could even understand a 90 days ban for this.
But permanent, and "because it's a RL treat"? Come on, how realistic is to see someone stating garbage on a forum and then flying to Iceland to put the garbage into practice?


then again, ********** is still banned and word filtered after how many years? CCP ike getting rid of players that annoy them kug-ut-su-men

Aramatheia
Posted - 2011.08.09 06:05:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: mechtech

So much for freedom of the players...


Which freedoms would those be, exactly? I don't remember seeing "You have the right to be an assbag" posted anywhere on the ToS.

Let's be clear about one thing - this is not a public forum, it's a private one, owned, operated, and monitored by a private company. You have exactly as much "right" to post here as they say you do, and not one bit more.


It's a shame too many of my fellow countrymen don't understand the difference between private companies, governments and what the laws of the land actually pertain to, or the fact that there are different countries out there with different laws etc.

Just gotta love the free speech crowd on the intert00bz.


i dont know this helicity person, i dont know what they said aside from the obscure references to real names fires and dying. What i do know however is its not "freedom of speech" just being a douchebag on a webforum. Its just that, being a douche. I can promise you if you were in a heated disagreement with someone face to face and you told them to go die in a fire, they would wrap you around a pole.

if all these internet toughguys, ethugs and virtual heroes spoke to people in the real world - the world outside thier dark bedrooms - like they do on here, most of them wouldnt see the following day. Talking trash on an internet forum IS NOT being awesome and something to worship. Its gutless, cowardice, spineless and every single word in any language for being weak and pathetic.

E-Thugs wall of rubbish is deflected by thier monitor screen dealing 0.0 Damage.

Beelzebubz
Posted - 2011.08.09 06:25:00 - [76]
 

i dont see why telling someone to diaf would get you banned and be considered an irl threat, its not like saying im gonna set you on fire, its more like telling someone to jump in a lake or get the **** out

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.08.09 06:26:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Aramatheia
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: mechtech

So much for freedom of the players...


Which freedoms would those be, exactly? I don't remember seeing "You have the right to be an assbag" posted anywhere on the ToS.

Let's be clear about one thing - this is not a public forum, it's a private one, owned, operated, and monitored by a private company. You have exactly as much "right" to post here as they say you do, and not one bit more.


It's a shame too many of my fellow countrymen don't understand the difference between private companies, governments and what the laws of the land actually pertain to, or the fact that there are different countries out there with different laws etc.

Just gotta love the free speech crowd on the intert00bz.


i dont know this helicity person, i dont know what they said aside from the obscure references to real names fires and dying. What i do know however is its not "freedom of speech" just being a douchebag on a webforum. Its just that, being a douche. I can promise you if you were in a heated disagreement with someone face to face and you told them to go die in a fire, they would wrap you around a pole.

if all these internet toughguys, ethugs and virtual heroes spoke to people in the real world - the world outside thier dark bedrooms - like they do on here, most of them wouldnt see the following day. Talking trash on an internet forum IS NOT being awesome and something to worship. Its gutless, cowardice, spineless and every single word in any language for being weak and pathetic.

E-Thugs wall of rubbish is deflected by thier monitor screen dealing 0.0 Damage.


lol gj

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.08.09 06:55:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Valei Khurelem

Yes I do consider giving CCP the middle finger through ASCII art trivial, that's my right to freedom of expression.


Actually it's not, I don't know why people keep thinking they have the right to post whatever the **** they want without consequence.

Whatever laws your home government grant you in regards to expression do not apply here or anywhere else that is a privately owned and operated business. They only apply to what you can and can't do in regards to your relationship with your government. Period.


EVE's server is based in London no? :) If you want to argue technicalities you won't have much of an argument in this case.

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:14:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Aramatheia

i dont know this helicity person, i dont know what they said aside from the obscure references to real names fires and dying. What i do know however is its not "freedom of speech" just being a douchebag on a webforum. Its just that, being a douche. I can promise you if you were in a heated disagreement with someone face to face and you told them to go die in a fire, they would wrap you around a pole.


if all these internet toughguys, ethugs and virtual heroes spoke to people in the real world - the world outside thier dark bedrooms - like they do on here, most of them wouldnt see the following day. Talking trash on an internet forum IS NOT being awesome and something to worship. Its gutless, cowardice, spineless and every single word in any language for being weak and pathetic.

E-Thugs wall of rubbish is deflected by thier monitor screen dealing 0.0 Damage.


people seem to forget CCP and companies dont work for you, they give you something and you pay them for that thing, they dont owe you anything. everything balances out when they have giving you that they offered, in this case a game for one month, and you have given them your money. there you go, even.

if you dont like it, you dont have to pay, but CCP never owes you anything. get over it

the last time some entitled jerk got mouthy with me because he assumed i "owed" him something i dropped him, right in front of his girlfriend/my ex. if helicity say that kind of BS to my face i would do the same in a heartbeat.

i understand that this is the internet, but it doesnt give you the right to act like an ass. people need to grow up and stop acting like self important peacocks.

thank god he got banned

Morpheonus
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:41:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Edited by: Selinate on 08/08/2011 17:07:54
CCP is the most tolerant game company I have ever seen when it comes to what they allow on their forums. Even I, a person who has been perma-banned from many a game forum, would actually like it if they perma-banned more of the people who use this forum. It gets old after a while seeing idiots whine and moan and then flame all the time Neutral.

I mean seriously, you all who are defending this helicity person who suggested that dying in a fire would be too quick for someone on this forum are just a bunch of losers. Get a life. This is something more than deserving of a perma-ban from the forums.



permaban all accounts from the game, not the forums, is what ive gathered from this, my upholding tolerance.

Sellendis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 09:06:00 - [81]
 

In all my years of online gaming (and i am a old fart even by my own account) i learned one thing first.

In any online game getting into a **** fight with GMs/Devs only ends in one way, i still need to find a game where GMs understand frustrations of people and dont hand out bans like they are giving away candy.
Even worse, the GMs that are communicating to the community stop doing that when they figure out they dont give a flying F if they lose a few subscribers.

Who is HB in eves of CCP? The guy that points out the "fail" new forum project, the one that ****s all over the "fail" expansion, the one that runs hulkageddon and gets miners to ***** to CCP?

F**k HB...is what CCP says, they own this game and your accounts, and i can understand them to some point. They can ban you for saying "good day" if they feal like it.

But i still agree with HB on multiple points made. People love this game, they invested a crapload of time in it, so when they get a glimpse of things changing the way management said never to go, tempers rise high.
But saying he will be on them like a ton of bricks, and having ears of people in this game sounds to me like a child's temper tantrum.
I honestly didn't think HB would go that way with threats. But what is done is done. He got banned.
Not the first and not the last "abuse" of power in online games sadly.

Anyone remember Athena the arrogant paladin in WoW? Asking the GM if he can tag mobs and others kill them for fast leveling? He got the green light, GM said its ok, then another GM permabans him for the same thing. Answer from previous GM didn't count for crap.

Live and learn i guess :)

Prime
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:38:00 - [82]
 

I could understand the ban if he said he was going to set the guy on fire.
To me, that is 100% over the line

but,

"death by fire would be too quick" is really not even in the same league, yes it implies pain is desired... but it does not make the actual threat

i know it may sound like splitting hairs, but, really think about it...
oh well, perhaps they'll ban all their players eventually...

what would be more interesting, is to see if they ban plex using accounts more frequently than $ paying accounts... I have a pretty good hunch


Yin Utada
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:04:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Miilla

They should just automate banning those accounts that do not purchase a Monocle after 1 month of game time.

Just like they automated live events into the incursions small shell script.



Is it truly our martyred lady, Helicity?

Skinae
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:20:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Skinae on 09/08/2011 12:20:19
Originally by: Barakkus
I can promise you if you were in a heated disagreement with someone face to face and you told them to go die in a fire, they would wrap you around a pole.

if all these internet toughguys, ethugs and virtual heroes spoke to people in the real world - the world outside thier dark bedrooms - like they do on here, most of them wouldnt see the following day.


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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:50:00 - [85]
 

About eight or some months ago, Liang and I went out for a beer before he moved to California for his new job. We had a long conversation about some things that were coming that CCP was doing. Liang continually told me that "the game is about to make a huge change for the good" and I kept asking him if it was microtransaction related, but he said that he was bound to some form of NDA or something.

Nothing really came of that conversation but a lot of circular discussion regarding CCP and their fanbase being alienated by a growing business -- themselves. When the night was over I was reinvigorated that with business comes advances, and with advances things can become better. So I set my doubt aside and took in what Liang told me.

About 2 months later, our custom avatars were made. I thought that was it, and heck yeah, it was really amazing. I knew this was coming though, and wasn't quite sure what to think about all that. I had a brief conversation with Liang over Gtalk, and I discovered this was not it, but stay tuned.

Enter six months later, Helicity is getting banned and SHC is ablaze with Fearless, which set fire on the forums. I then went to Liang and asked him if THIS was it, and he didn't have a lot to say, other than CCP really f'd up this time and that he'd be leaving the game for good. I asked him a couple pointed questions and received direct responses, but those are kept between him and me.

I still remain neutral on this whole thing. I think CCP has a chance to make some great decisions. I just hope they choose to do so.


Quebber
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:57:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Wencher
Totally unwarranted ban.

Helicity was a pillar of the community and was respected by all.

http://pastebin.com/NtRB9bin

I see nothing wrong here. This is totally normal human behaviour when dealing with another person. I speak like this to people all the time and they respect my opinions.


Erm no he was not, do not even try to assume to speak for the entire community.

This was a real life threat to a real life person using that persons real life name, you do that in any mmo and its a ban.

I don't care how big heli's ego is or opinion of himself he deserved a ban for that, rules are not mitigated by "he was a nice guy"


Marchocias
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:04:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Willow Boru
Wow, you guys are so CUTE! I'm guessing the combined IQ of everyone here only exceeds the combined age. You folks really should grow up.


One witless sarcastic platitude, and two off-the-shelf insults.

You're really good at this. Neutral


Maxx Q Omega
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:10:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Maxx Q Omega on 09/08/2011 13:51:00
Originally by: Quebber
Originally by: Wencher
Totally unwarranted ban.

Helicity was a pillar of the community and was respected by all.

http://pastebin.com/NtRB9bin

I see nothing wrong here. This is totally normal human behaviour when dealing with another person. I speak like this to people all the time and they respect my opinions.


Erm no he was not, do not even try to assume to speak for the entire community.

This was a real life threat to a real life person using that persons real life name, you do that in any mmo and its a ban.

I don't care how big heli's ego is or opinion of himself he deserved a ban for that, rules are not mitigated by "he was a nice guy"



Agreed...

The guy was/is whiny trash. To hell with him...

Originally by: Hecatonis
...the last time some entitled jerk got mouthy with me because he assumed i "owed" him something i dropped him, right in front of his girlfriend/my ex. if helicity say that kind of BS to my face i would do the same in a heartbeat.

Great I wish I was as good a person as you... Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Diondra Reuben
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:20:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Skinae
Edited by: Skinae on 09/08/2011 12:20:19
Originally by: Barakkus
I can promise you if you were in a heated disagreement with someone face to face and you told them to go die in a fire, they would wrap you around a pole.

if all these internet toughguys, ethugs and virtual heroes spoke to people in the real world - the world outside thier dark bedrooms - like they do on here, most of them wouldnt see the following day.


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This guy is definately one of them. Not only does just puts up an digital face, he puts it up 30 times. Gangsta...

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:32:00 - [90]
 

Who's a pillar of the community?

Look, you can get angry, you can let your anger show but a pillar of a community does not scream F U at the top of his lungs until his face turns blue and demands respect because he has a good kill ratio. He protests, organizes and makes things uncomfertable for CCP within their own rules. That's how you protest, thats how you become a pillar of a community. This was just a jackelope who obviously needs to seek an education.

Never met him, never heard of him, won't miss him.


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