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Markus Jome
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:47:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Markus Jome on 28/06/2011 07:47:23
Ok, i don't like Hulkageddon, but banning Helicity Boson for absolutly understandable outrage which was expressed in not really hard words is too much, especially a total ban.

Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:48:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Jade Cargo
Quite frankly people are waaaay too aggressive, arrogant and flat out rude just because they hide behind the anonymity of the interwebz. It's not hard to be even mildly polite. Moar permabans pls.

Seriously though - if you think this is an acceptable way to converse with a complete stranger, then you may want to reset your opinion of 'acceptable'. I believe the term is 'normalisation of deviance'. It isn't acceptable. Not even close. And let's not try to debate whether it was a 'real life threat' or not. It's just plain wrong.



I have the belief that the core, base character of a person is revealed through this anonymity. It helps me discern whom I would not rather to get too close to in-game or out.

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:54:00 - [33]
 

Meh, emotions were high, tempers flared, **** got said that people didn't necessarily mean.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:57:00 - [34]
 

I see nothing permaban worthy in what happened and you have to strech the initial statement to a ridiculous degree to get it to be even ban worthy. Seems like a case of CCP wanting to ban him and doing it by bending the normal interpretation of the rules to get an excuse to do it.

Wencher
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:58:00 - [35]
 

His blogs interesting.

Quote:
Please, whatever you do, do not unban me. You are the worst company Iíve ever had to deal with.


http://www.machine9.net/blog/


Tarinara
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Baillif
Meh, emotions were high, tempers flared, **** got said that people didn't necessarily mean.

And of course we also get to see how the 'Rough and tough, HTFU Icelandic Viking Studs' handle a little interwebz argument and name calling.

Willow Boru
Posted - 2011.08.08 06:05:00 - [37]
 

Wow, you guys are so CUTE! I'm guessing the combined IQ of everyone here only exceeds the combined age.

You folks really should grow up.

Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.08.08 06:21:00 - [38]
 

I called Soundwave the Calvin Klein of EVE

AM i going to jail???

I IS SCURRED!!!

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.08 08:11:00 - [39]
 

Hulkageddon was a great idea, even the second one. Then it became a yawn. I lurked the HG channel and Helicity was holding court with some of the thickest, most ignorant players in eve. Pure pvpers having trouble catching miners because they knew nothing about mining, or scanning, or hisec mechanics, or people like me lurking their channel and warning their targets.
lol.

Helicity Boson basically got in a petition spat with ccp and said words to the effect of "I have the player's ears and i will come down on you like a ton of bricks unless-" BANNED.

Simple really, don't bother flexing your muscle in an environment you don't own, or share. ccp own eve, forget that and look real stupid.


Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.08.08 09:06:00 - [40]
 

Permaban was overkill.


VCBee 2fast2furious
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.08.08 09:57:00 - [41]
 

Helicity is a ridiculous crybaby who went looking for a permaban so he could martyr himself in front of his adoring fanbase of 10 or 12 blog readers. He got his wish.

Cpt Greagor
Caldari
Liquid Relief
Posted - 2011.08.08 10:02:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 28/06/2011 07:24:27
Originally by: ZooChase II
And why was Helicity Boson banned exactly?


With an excuse.

You may see tons of people saying each other to DIAF or GTFO 100000 times on the forum with no harm.

Now, tell the same someone to DIAF when the someone is in a position of power and when the same someone has all to gain at removing you. Suddenly, the EULA is enforced and permanently so.


If I understand correctly, it wasn't because Helicity told him to die in a fire, it is because Helicity used his REAL name when he told him to die in a fire.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.08 10:08:00 - [43]
 

The permaban was totally deserved. Justice served.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.08.08 10:18:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Whiteknight03
Whatever happened to Liang?


Liang saw the direction the game was heading and quit. Along with TeaDaze, Mynxee and a bunch of other folks, some of whom are still hanging around the fringes watching with morbid curiosity as CCP cooks the golden goose.

HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 10:27:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Cpt Greagor
If I understand correctly, it wasn't because Helicity told him to die in a fire, it is because Helicity used his REAL name when he told him to die in a fire.


There's a difference between my EVE character telling your EVE character to 'die in a fire' (for one thing, your EVE character has medical clones and will just respawn in a medbay!), and me as a real-life human being telling you as a real-life human being that I wish horrific real-life death on you.

To the Helicity apologists in this thread, if you had a dispute with the operator of your mobile phone contract or your ISP, and whilst communicating with their representatives you told them that you hoped they died in a fire, would you be at all surprised if they cancelled their services to you because of your abusive manner and told you to take your business elsewhere? Why should the service that CCP provide be any different?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.08 11:56:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Pherick Sjang
Originally by: Jade Cargo
Quite frankly people are waaaay too aggressive, arrogant and flat out rude just because they hide behind the anonymity of the interwebz. It's not hard to be even mildly polite. Moar permabans pls.

Seriously though - if you think this is an acceptable way to converse with a complete stranger, then you may want to reset your opinion of 'acceptable'. I believe the term is 'normalisation of deviance'. It isn't acceptable. Not even close. And let's not try to debate whether it was a 'real life threat' or not. It's just plain wrong.


So basically, you're a ***got?


Actually, having the self restraint to engage in a mature debate on something says a lot more about a person than being childish because someone can't punch you for being a ****. Most of the comments that get flung around on these forums wouldn't get said if people were face to face.

I have no idea what actually happened with Helicity though, I wasn't there, didn't get to read any of it....it's kind of a shame Helicity got banned, he was fun Sad

me me2
Posted - 2011.08.08 11:56:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: me me2 on 08/08/2011 11:56:08
HG banned :O no way

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.08.08 12:02:00 - [48]
 




Never fear! For I am still here :)




xwolfi
Posted - 2011.08.08 12:16:00 - [49]
 

As a french guy, I am utterly displeased at CCP's reaction against Helicity Boson ! Insults are a way of life where I live, we should not be cast away like this ! I fear it might even be a diplomatic issue with the whole latin world !

Hisomi
Gallente
Suicidal Trainingscamp
Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.08.08 12:34:00 - [50]
 

after reading the petition its kinda clear why he was banned... O.o

sheesh, could he have been any less diplomatic?!

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.08.08 12:39:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: xwolfi
As a french guy, I am utterly displeased at CCP's reaction against Helicity Boson ! Insults are a way of life where I live, we should not be cast away like this ! I fear it might even be a diplomatic issue with the whole latin world !


Nah when some of the devs in CCP grow up and dont act like school children..

Whats this really "I ban you, because you cursed me and I CAN ban you", wouldnt it be better that the person in question calms down gets ashamed of his anger and apologizes, but no "I R POWER" attitude 4TW.

Looking back to those days I see devs only harming the already battered reputation of CCP, with their smartarse answers and snobish attitudes.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:01:00 - [52]
 

Discussing bans on the forums is prohibited, but before this thread gets locked I just want to say something.

When it comes right down to it, these are CCPs forums, monitored and policed by CCP. It is no surprise, then, that when people are hostile towards CCP, that CCP will be more likely to react negatively to such hostility.

This has real life analogues: I can make a real life threat against a random person, and the police won't care so long as they don't have reason to believe that I will actually do something. Yet if I make the same real life threat to the President of the United States of America, an FBI investigation ensues and I get thrown in jail for threatening the President. An extreme example, I know. But it goes to show that people in power will be quick to enforce the rules, when the rules being broken directly impact the people in power. It doesn't matter of the people in power are CCP, a government, the police, a criminal gang/mafia, or your place of employment.

Is it fair? Of course not. But life isn't fair, and humans aren't perfect. IMO, a permaban was far too punishing. A temporary ban would have shown more class and indicated that CCP understands that people say stupid things when they are angry. But CCP is only human (kind of), so whatever.

If people want to discuss EVE Online on a forum which isn't censored or policed by CCP, then there are other third party forums in existence for exactly that purpose. Of course, these same third parties may be prone to the same weaknesses as CCP (I haven't posted on them, so I can't say one way or the other). So you would do well to think before you post, no matter where it is that you post.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:02:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 08/08/2011 13:01:49
Originally by: Kunming
Nah when some of the forum warriors grow up and dont act like school children..


fixed for ya

yes. some time it looks like only 5-years kiddos play Eve or use Eve forums.....

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:23:00 - [54]
 

They permabanned ALL of his accounts for saying a variant of "die in a fire"?!?!

Geez CCP... that deserves a 7-14 day forum gag, not a ban.

So much for freedom of the players, it looks like this was a way for CCP to get rid of someone playing the game in a way they didn't like.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:34:00 - [55]
 


They should just automate banning those accounts that do not purchase a Monocle after 1 month of game time.

Just like they automated live events into the incursions small shell script.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:36:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Never fear! For I am still here :)




Ban Milla, free Helicity Boson ?

Seems like a fair trade to me ! Razz

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:38:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: mechtech

So much for freedom of the players...


Which freedoms would those be, exactly? I don't remember seeing "You have the right to be an assbag" posted anywhere on the ToS.

Let's be clear about one thing - this is not a public forum, it's a private one, owned, operated, and monitored by a private company. You have exactly as much "right" to post here as they say you do, and not one bit more.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:57:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: mechtech

So much for freedom of the players...


Which freedoms would those be, exactly? I don't remember seeing "You have the right to be an assbag" posted anywhere on the ToS.

Let's be clear about one thing - this is not a public forum, it's a private one, owned, operated, and monitored by a private company. You have exactly as much "right" to post here as they say you do, and not one bit more.


It's a shame too many of my fellow countrymen don't understand the difference between private companies, governments and what the laws of the land actually pertain to, or the fact that there are different countries out there with different laws etc.

Just gotta love the free speech crowd on the intert00bz.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.08 14:39:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 08/08/2011 14:40:28
Quote:
You may see tons of people saying each other to DIAF or GTFO 100000 times on the forum with no harm.

Quote:
They permabanned ALL of his accounts for saying a variant of "die in a fire"?!?!

Geez CCP... that deserves a 7-14 day forum gag, not a ban.

So much for freedom of the players, it looks like this was a way for CCP to get rid of someone playing the game in a way they didn't like.


No. Not EvEn close. Its against the TOS to even say someones real name on the forum, let alone threaten them.

Its a world of difference.

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.08.08 14:41:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Wencher
Totally unwarranted ban.

Helicity was a pillar of the community and was respected by all.

http://pastebin.com/NtRB9bin

I see nothing wrong here. This is totally normal human behaviour when dealing with another person. I speak like this to people all the time and they respect my opinions.


Reads like a bunch of entitled bullcrap. CCP doesn't work for us. It's their game. I doubt Helicity owns a share in CCP


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