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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:37:00 - [61]
 

So you get a ticket to Iceland and it gives you a boner?

Anyone ever wonder what's the price of dignity? Whatever the fare is from JFK to Reykjavik.

Until they guarantee no pay to win, they're the opposition. If it's legit that they need money like we need oxygen - then watch out! This began long ago, the day they introduced a free to play option via PLEX. What the hell did they expect would happen? Simple progression.

While I hope y'all will be successful, if we have any chance at all - trat everything with suspicion and keep your smiles of awe to yourself fanboi. Play it straight for all of our benefit.

Don't eff this up


Koba

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:37:00 - [62]
 

Thank you for the message White Tree.

All I will ever ask of CCP is to be treated fairly and with a degree of respect, and I will more then happy to return in kind.

Please pass on my message and regards to the rest of CCP.

a newbie
d o o m
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:40:00 - [63]
 

Thank you White Tree, You have earned my respect through this post, I hope you continue to remain a CSM and work alongside (and hope he stays) Seleene in future CSM electorals.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:40:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Koba Kyogen
So you get a ticket to Iceland and it gives you a boner?

Anyone ever wonder what's the price of dignity? Whatever the fare is from JFK to Reykjavik.



I'm serious when I say I didn't want to go because its a lot of stress. Also I live in Ireland and its not that much of a trip.

Look I'm not trying to promise you the moon and stars here because I can't deliver but we've got to try something, right?

Liva Daril
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:41:00 - [65]
 

The main problem here is hubris in CCP management, and most unprofessional corporate habits and racial based nepotism. If only half of the stuff on Glassdoor is to be believed.

They deemed the cash cow stupid enough to keep on munching and remunching the same old content for now about 18 months(planet based flash games donŽt count).
Just to finance their endeavors, which clearly overtaxed their finances, now we shall pull them out of the fire AGAIN, with Monocles no less?

Sorry to be the pessimist, but youŽll get a fancy dinner and then youŽll get laid CSM.
Hope your plane tickets have the return flight included.


The funny part is that the cash cow wouldŽve grudgingly continued to munch on, if only that Incarna client hadnŽt been made mandatory.
The reason of course was to entice us into "pimping" our barbie dolls with MT crap.

But now the sleepers have awakened, and I donŽt think weŽll go back to sleep that easily.

Imagine that, all just because of one missing "enter CQ" button on that old ship-spinning hangar. Laughing ugh

Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
So you get a ticket to Iceland and it gives you a boner?

Anyone ever wonder what's the price of dignity? Whatever the fare is from JFK to Reykjavik.



I'm serious when I say I didn't want to go because its a lot of stress. Also I live in Ireland and its not that much of a trip.

Look I'm not trying to promise you the moon and stars here because I can't deliver but we've got to try something, right?


Yes. Unsub. Since MONEY is the only thing they care about.


La Chukukabra
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: La Chukukabra on 28/06/2011 02:47:20
Can't see anything changing, in all honesty.

The leaked memo, the employees review of CCP, the financial report.

It all paints a picture where the only opinions that matter are not those of the subscribers, nor the CSM, nor even the majority @ CCP.

Its obvious who decides whats 'best' and I am not expecting anything positive.

There will be other MMO's and as soon as one appears which can match or surpass EVE, in any form, players would leave anyways.

My advice, just play the game, forget all this AUR crap, just dont buy it and another MMO will come along. Some major ones in the pipeline. Very Happy

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 - [68]
 

I'll watch what they do, not what they say. Let's face it. The Devs are a bunch of two-faced incompetent liars. You can try to white night them all you like but the fact remains they are ****ty with their player-base and out of touch with the state of the game AS IT IS PLAYED.

This sounds like their usual tactic of stonewalling, perhaps throwing out a few token bones and hoping the community somehow mellows or runs out of steam before announcing everything is OK and "amazing".

Taak Coram
Gallente
Outdated Host Productions
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 - [69]
 

Very well said. Like I said before, I want to keep flying. I hope the meeting clears things up a bit.

Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 - [70]
 

My thoughts exactly. You have done a far better job at iterating this issue than I ever could have. In my mind the intent of the 'protests' was to scorn the behavior, not the people behind it. They are human. The entire staff should be proud of this virtual world they helped create and manage, but it's up to the masses to keep them honest.

I'm very proud of this community and what has been done. I hope that all sides have learned from this and will continue to (responsibly) voice their opinions.

Relationships are key, and trust is at the very core of mutual progress.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:43:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I trust that CCP will change back exactly as much as I trust that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't trying to develop nuclear weapons

What if they are only Vanity Nukes.

Would that be OK?

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:43:00 - [72]
 

Well, good luck to you and other CSM members on your journey. May you find a solution that will be accepted by everyone on both sides of the barricades!

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:44:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Carli Zandrya

I'm very proud of this community and what has been done.


Yeah, as I said before I was really impressed with the reaction.

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:44:00 - [74]
 

-> Non-Vanity MT <-
-> Non-Vanity MT <-
-> Non-Vanity MT <-
-> Non-Vanity MT <-
-> Non-Vanity MT <-
-> Non-Vanity MT <-

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:45:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I trust that CCP will change back exactly as much as I trust that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't trying to develop nuclear weapons

What if they are only Vanity Nukes.

Would that be OK?



If you make a nuke out of pinball machine parts the Libyans will come after you in a van

Zeko Rena
Caldari
Tankt
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:45:00 - [76]
 

CSM posted threads need like a color next to them, like dev threads, bring that up :P

(I thought this was just a regular old topic)

Shade ATX
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:46:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Shade ATX on 28/06/2011 02:47:30
So your trip..CCP isn't paying for it? I notice you stated you were broke.. I mean they are the ones asking for the meeting they are the ones with the cash. The analogy that comes to mind is the Great White Fathers generals asking the Indian chiefs to all travel 100's of miles on ponies to meet and sign a treaty that they fully intended too not to honor. Poor chief's didn't know that did they? =(

My honest question is this CSM - Can they be asked why EVE hasn't been developed? Perfecting current content and maybe adding a little more to the sandbox ..nothing crazy just some. The financials show that the money is there and it would make us so happy. Couple that with some DEV talk on the forums chatting us up..just a little would really solidify their base I think.

GL on trip

ps. dont be a poor chief /wink

Sisohiv
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:47:00 - [78]
 

My only real grievance is with the decay of core EVE. Risk is an optical illusion in a video game. Its code, it's absolutes. After 8 years the game has been mathed to no fun. CCP need to address core EVE. If after that they have time to play around with WoD and Dust, fine but WoD and Dust need to be back burner to EVE.

Don Janitor Otichoda
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:47:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Atlentia
Let's see what comes out of the meeting first, then pat ourselves on the back. I think the customers have spoken as to what has been bothering us for a long time, but my guess is none of those issues that have been sticking us in the side for so long will be addressed.


Just asking for a pause until we can get OUR heads round it and try to hammer out solutions.


Action is better than words (like Hilmar said) and I did not see any solid action yet.
Based on this I am sorry but I do not agree with any sort of pause.

Nephilius
Caldari
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:48:00 - [80]
 

I haven't thought of CCP as the enemy...they've provided this really sweet game for myself and everyone else to play. I'm not even mad about the MTs and such. It's the CQ and ambulation that have gotten my hackles up. I just don't think it has any place in this game. Others WILL disagree with me. I welcome that, because without it, there are no carebears, yarrbears, scammers and suckers.

The only thing I really want is some type of compromise...continue on with the ambulation and CQ, but let people opt out of both if they desire. Bring back ship spinning. I want to see progress, but just not at a ninety degree angle to what the game started out as...internet spaceships.

Lucius Tal
Minmatar
Tal Holdings Limited
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:48:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Reilly Duvolle
In the end, we that have unsubscribed havent done so because we hate CCP. We have done so because we love EVE, and we HATE the idea of it beeing destroyed by shortsighted financial concerns. Still, CCP needs to have a financial situation that enables them to go forth. Your job is to contribute to a reconciliation of those two concerns. CCP absolutely needs to make money for the company to be sustainable, and the players want EVE back. Better than ever. With a community as strong as ours, I am sure there are ways.


You took the words right out of my mouth

Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:49:00 - [82]
 

:brofist:

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:49:00 - [83]
 

I look forward to hearing what comes of this meeting, thank you White Tree for sharing your thoughts on the situation, it always helps to hear from others that you aren't alone in caring about something.


Neridah Tanz
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:50:00 - [84]
 

+1

Despite the wailing on the forums from the just HTFU or leave people.

I also think the follow what CCP do rather than say is important now. After all that was what Hilmar said is important right ;)

I suspect that that is why so many who feel so passionately about this have unsubbed, and are waiting to see what happens.

Key is for those who care to post to CSM members here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=752166

and Particularly here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540442 for a broad statement of issues and here,

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540259
for a discussion of what you would accept if the NeX store is here to stay.

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:51:00 - [85]
 

Bring back pictures of the pants.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:53:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Sri Nova
Is there a thread posted or a place that is gathering all the ideas and thoughts that have been brought to light ?
I know we have the threadocalypse . I was hoping for maybe a sticky that has a list of links and posts to highlight all the good ideas and thoughts that have been posted regarding this event . That way people will know what is being brought to CCP's attention.


There are some attempts at lists in the assembly hall.

Velvet Dream
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:53:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Velvet Dream on 28/06/2011 02:59:03
Edited by: Velvet Dream on 28/06/2011 02:56:34
I frankly don't understand what all the rage is about. You can already buy SP for USD (USD->PLEX->ISK->character bazaar), uber weapons and modules that are enormously more powerful than anything 99.999% of population can reasonably afford or risk (USD->PLEX->ISK->estamel's invulneravility field). So why don't you just let CCP have this and people who either don't care about the cash or are stupid enough to blow the money on an advantage that simply exposes them to a higher monetary risk?

Nubs in EVE can already buy a 75b nightmare (equivalent to 200 plex or about $3400 USD in CCP PLEX sale price), which sure is much more powerful than many other ships. I think the foundation of EVE is power/ISK and risk management, not absolute power. The uber nubs will be outnumbered and slaughtered and will lose their precious AUR. Better kill board mail for you, more money for CCP, Nothing to cry about. As long as CCP doesn't start selling uber ammo for super cheap in AUR... who cares? Nothing new. PvP outcome is still mainly going to be based on skill and numbers.

If you want to feel powerful based on your time investment into the game and you feel like your hard work and advantage is being taken away by introduction of potential time shortcuts, EVE is not a game for you and has never been. WoW is. Also nothing will substitute for actual play experience. PvP in EVE is often not about absolute power but better intel, fitting and fleet command.

I do find the fact that AUR prices are not aligned to an even number of PLEX super cheap however. It forces you to spend double in AUR on some items.

I also think selling SP is not in CCP's interest as people will get bored of the game quicker if they can get all the uber power fast.

Also, AUR items can be sold on contracts, so the USD->PLEX->ISK->AUR->ISK->whatever is a closed loop and doesn't really change anything except providing opportunities for profit for AUR item resellers. The PLEX->ISK->AUR loop is closed even though AUR can't be directly traded back for PLEX or ISK.

Nothing new here, move on.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:54:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.







Trolling again are we? Rolling Eyes

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:55:00 - [89]
 

I reiterate... make sure your return tickets are bought, just in case.

Also, with what I know of those who were elected, I expect you all to not roll over and do CCP any favors on core causes for rage.

Hope you have a productive meeting, and that Zulu is not still hampered by frustration. (Also, carry my best wishes for Pann and family.)

No ****ing in the sandbox, and can we please get the hangar back at least as an option?

P.S. I want a pink rifter. With rainbow decals.

Nuramori
Amarr
Drama Llamas
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:55:00 - [90]
 

Great news White Tree and great post, it's refreshing to hear, and hopefully sparks some optimism that was typically inherent in the eve community before the last few weeks of chaos.

+100



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