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Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:21:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Nishachara

SO SAY WE ALL!



Did you get lost on your way to the Battlestar Galactica Online Forums?

Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:22:00 - [32]
 

The CSM in its many iterations has been almost completely ineffectual.

I am fully prepared to be surprised however, but I also expect to be underwhelmed.





Indy Rider
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:22:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kiwi Miner
Just a question? if ccp respected the csm so much why did csm not know about this before it happened? why did ccp not answer the questions asked to the csm?
How can we be sure ccp has not asked the csm to Iceland only to bribe them with more free trips and the like to get them on side?
How as players after reading what the ceo thinks of us can we trust anything they say. what they say to day turns into a misunderstanding tomorrow.
ccp zulu said he was writing a blog over a day ago no blog how do we trust anything said to us ??




What this guy said.

I doubt anything will change earlier than October, they might lower the price of vanity items, add a little more, fix a couple of bugs in the patch tomorrow. They need more money because of their own ineptitude, and we're the chicken they want to choke to cover their arses.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:22:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kiwi Miner
Just a question? if ccp respected the csm so much why did csm not know about this before it happened? why did ccp not answer the questions asked to the csm?


We're going to find out. We've been yelling at them like crazy over this.

Originally by: Kiwi Miner
How can we be sure ccp has not asked the csm to Iceland only to bribe them with more free trips and the like to get them on side?


I actually didn't want to go because I'm broke as hell IRL and trust me when I say the meeting sessions are intense. My Alliance and the community has pleaded with us to attend if we can.

Originally by: Kiwi Miner
How as players after reading what the ceo thinks of us can we trust anything they say. what they say to day turns into a misunderstanding tomorrow.
ccp zulu said he was writing a blog over a day ago no blog how do we trust anything said to us ??


The trust has seriously been shaken I can't tell you it hasn't and I'm not going to do damage control for CCP. Its up to us now to help them rebuild it with us. And by us I mean EVE players, not just the CSM.

Yana Steel
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:23:00 - [35]
 

CCP could end this drama in seconds if they wanted to. There's a bloody list of questions that need their answers on the forums, made by players.


I am absolutely certain that CCP's only desire for a meeting with the CSM is to bide time and have a players face on their damage control team.

I'd actually love to be proven wrong, really.

Kiwi Miner
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:23:00 - [36]
 

Remember we the players did not turn on ccp, CCP turned on the players and now that player power is on the move ccp are sorry?

Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:24:00 - [37]
 

haha where'd you learn to hurf blurf like that white tree

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:25:00 - [38]
 

see if you can get them to throw in a gift.

Ill take a shirt that says

'butthurt forum warriors only make up 2% of the game population' on the front
'Can i have your stuff' on the back.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:25:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Zastrow
haha where'd you learn to hurf blurf like that white tree


You're going to die tonight, Ray Romano.

Originally by: Yana Steel

I'd actually love to be proven wrong, really.


We'll endeavor to try, I mean, that's all we can do, right?

Canuk EroSennin
Gallente
Public Security Section Nine
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Nishachara

SO SAY WE ALL!




Oh god I love the Admiral. ~swoon~



You are our CSMs....we voted you in and I hope you do not get swayed to back down from representing the people of EVE.....so stick to your guns, put forth the hard questions and let CCP know that we are not amused and try to find a ground where EVE can once again move forward for EVE and player alike. I have faith in you all. Btw....are they paying to bring you iceland?

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 - [41]
 

DAMN IT THIS IS REASONABLE AND PRAGMATIC!!!! WE SHALL HAVE NONE OF THIS! HOW DARE A DIALOGUE BE HAD OVER ACTIONS TAKEN AND NOT TAKEN AS OF NOW!!

Seriously don't suffer future pains if they haven't come to fruition yet or might never come about.


Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 - [42]
 

Even though I still didn't vote for you, if you get the big yellow question answered I'll start a third account. I don't know what I'll do with the account, probably a cyno alt account for when I eventually finish trainning for caps.


And if I get to paint my phobos hot pink, I'll love you long time. Yes, I want MT, just not game stat changing MT. I want to color my phobos hot pink. I'll even pay say 2-3 dollars per phobos to make them hot pink. I'll even shield tank a few of them so I have to spend more.


GL, and Godspeed.

Thaylon Sen
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Thaylon Sen on 28/06/2011 02:27:57

I've played EVE since beta, at the moment I feel insulted by CCP. They have untill the 10th to change my opinion of them, or I simply wont be resubbing.

Good Luck.

Jennifer Nardieu
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:27:00 - [44]
 

The extraordinary meeting is the final answer that all of us were seeking.

The reason its a meeting is not because of working out how to say "yes or no" to a "will there be P2W features" but rather a "How can we ease the transition across to a P2W business model while minimising the backlash from the community" meeting.

My judgement is already made to that end, I will continue to play EVE until I feel that it is no longer possible to participate further without investing additional money on top of my subscription in order to remain competitive.

Kiwi Miner
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:28:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Kiwi Miner
Just a question? if ccp respected the csm so much why did csm not know about this before it happened? why did ccp not answer the questions asked to the csm?


We're going to find out. We've been yelling at them like crazy over this.

If you have been yelling and they have not been listening why will they now? why did you have to yell ?

Originally by: Kiwi Miner
How can we be sure ccp has not asked the csm to Iceland only to bribe them with more free trips and the like to get them on side?


I actually didn't want to go because I'm broke as hell IRL and trust me when I say the meeting sessions are intense. My Alliance and the community has pleaded with us to attend if we can.

I as many other do thank you for what you are doing , It is only I for one think it is too late

Originally by: Kiwi Miner
How as players after reading what the ceo thinks of us can we trust anything they say. what they say to day turns into a misunderstanding tomorrow.
ccp zulu said he was writing a blog over a day ago no blog how do we trust anything said to us ??


The trust has seriously been shaken I can't tell you it hasn't and I'm not going to do damage control for CCP. Its up to us now to help them rebuild it with us. And by us I mean EVE players, not just the CSM.


how will trust be rebuilt when they are still lieing to us about making blogs but not doing it?



Canuk EroSennin
Gallente
Public Security Section Nine
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:28:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Thaylon Sen
I've played EVE since beta, at the moment I feel insulted by CCP. They have untill the 10th to change my opinion of them, or I simply wont be resubbing.


Then can I haz....oh nm....never freakin works anyways ^^

Sri Nova
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:29:00 - [47]
 

Is there a thread posted or a place that is gathering all the ideas and thoughts that have been brought to light ?
I know we have the threadocalypse . I was hoping for maybe a sticky that has a list of links and posts to highlight all the good ideas and thoughts that have been posted regarding this event . That way people will know what is being brought to CCP's attention.

JoeBear770
Amarr
Faster Muffins
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:29:00 - [48]
 

Well said by the OP, I am also hoping a solution can be brokered. It would be good to know if CCP took this course because of greed or if they are actually in some kind of financial difficulty as speculated by some. Hopefully they will be forthcoming with you folks and not just try and gloss over the real issues.

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:29:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Templar Dane on 28/06/2011 02:30:02
I would like to point out that shutting down jita and amarr isn't all that big a loss and...

We haven't burned down one single thing, or so much as given anyone a friendly poke with our pitchforks.

All that and we've been waiting since, what, thursday?

edit

Also, it'd be real nice if the angry mob in my sig was animated...

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: White Tree
CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.


Don't worry, I see it as an act of desperation caused once their bad choices caught up to them. Problem is instead of allowing the player base to have any sort of say (through you) they've been obviously trying to sneak stuff behind our backs like freaking kids trying to hide the broken vase from their parents.

Come freaking on.

So it's time for some spanking and for them to face the consequences of their actions. To work to bring things back to order. If they show that they are willing to bring EVE back to the community and give it the respect they used to then I (and probably many others) will listen. But if they give any more just-to-buy-enough-time crap I'm out.

Also, they should know by now I (and probably most people raging here) would've never spent this kind of time trying to claw EVE back if it wasn't important to me, even if in the end is just a silly video game about spreadseets. That's how different EVE is compared to all the other games and they know that better than me. So like someone said earlier, I rather quit while EVE is still relatively pretty than stay and watch it die a horrible death.


TL;DR I'm willing to listen but it depends on them, so we'll see.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:30:00 - [51]
 

Ill wait and see on this meeting.

If i don't see due humility and them asking for forgiveness on some level then they can sit on it and rotate.

They need to take a step back and look in the mirror starting with the highest level.

I will wait to see what comes out of the CSM meeting then decide if CCP really cares about its players.

Tir Arsil
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:30:00 - [52]
 

White Tree, what line in the digital sand need CCP cross for you yourself to unsub?

Now what if you hear in Reykjavík that because of CCP's financial situation, they "must" enact :unsubbable condition:? Would you help them, to keep EVE alive? Would you resign your CSM position but still play? Would you unsub?

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:31:00 - [53]
 

So you abandoned what you previously supported to go for the collective idea...

How about.. no.

How would i support someone as opportunistic to support what i think?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:31:00 - [54]
 

CCP lost my loyalty and support with the blatant "**** you" they gave us in the beginning.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:32:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Tir Arsil
White Tree, what line in the digital sand need CCP cross for you yourself to unsub?

Now what if you hear in Reykjavík that because of CCP's financial situation, they "must" enact :unsubbable condition:? Would you help them, to keep EVE alive? Would you resign your CSM position but still play? Would you unsub?


Good question. For me personally, as a player, they'd need to alter the game in a way which would shift the nature of the community to a degree wherein I found it intolerable and/or to where the game became alien. That includes any 'Pay2Win' scenarios. I like EVEs community and I really don't want it to be destroyed. The same goes for EVE as a game.

Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:33:00 - [56]
 

You really think you have the power to sway CCP from their plans to bail themselves out of their dreadful mismanagement with more of OUR money that they haven't earned?

More power to you. But, as for me, I say: PROVE IT.

MAKE THEM LISTEN. MAKE THEM GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. MAKE THEM SAY: "No Non-Vanity MT EVER."

Unless you can do that. NOW. With THIS meeting. You, and all the other CSMs that are now and ever will be are exactly what I have always said: Cheap CCP PR stunt. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Go. Go to Iceland. See what your corporate masters give you PERMISSION to say when you come back.

/out

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:34:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Tir Arsil
White Tree, what line in the digital sand need CCP cross for you yourself to unsub?

Now what if you hear in Reykjavík that because of CCP's financial situation, they "must" enact :unsubbable condition:? Would you help them, to keep EVE alive? Would you resign your CSM position but still play? Would you unsub?


To be honest I believe myself they crossed that line three steps back. I think that in the past there has been too much tolerance on the part of our fan-base. And that was from our trust in CCP. With that long gone now however, I look back on the stuff that we as players let slide and face-palm at our naivety.

Holly Cleland
Special Operations Foxhound
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:34:00 - [58]
 

I will happilly return to my shippy and abandon the forum fight for CCP to care, should you secure 3 things for me:

Ship spinning.
A promise of only vanity items on NEX.
a big sea trout called Henry.

If you can secure these 3 items for me, I shall do as you request.

Miryade Loon
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:35:00 - [59]
 

CCP knows for months your position : No, except for purely cosmetic, cheap items. What did they do ? They didn't listen to you..
CCP knows that before posting a devblog, they should send it to you for advice. What did they do ? First devblog by Zulu was commented, yet they didn't listen...

Seeing that our rage wasn't decreasing like they had forsee it... They use the best PR they have, the CSM.
The second devblog was full of ****, yet the CSM managed to turn it into something more acceptable by us (At least CCP learns from their errors).

They are summoning you ? Why ? To delay, and to give the impression that they have understood us.

THEY HAVE NOT.
They try to calm things down using the CSM, and the worst of it is that we are buying it. Please : Don't be naive.

They had plenty of time to listen to us, to listen to our representative (the CSM), and yet, they didn't : You are part of the plan, as faire valoir.

No more trust in us.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:36:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Miryade Loon

No more trust in us.


I trust that CCP will change back exactly as much as I trust that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't trying to develop nuclear weapons


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