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White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:01:00 - [1]
 

So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.





Atlentia
Gallente
Dominus Imperium
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:05:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Atlentia on 28/06/2011 02:09:39
Let's see what comes out of the meeting first, then pat ourselves on the back. I think the customers have spoken as to what has been bothering us for a long time, but my guess is none of those issues that have been sticking us in the side for so long will be addressed.

The biggest thing they need to fix is their track record and attitude toward the customer.


Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:05:00 - [3]
 

I am speechless, good luck with the meeting.

I am on pins and needles.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:05:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Atlentia
Let's see what comes out of the meeting first, then pat ourselves on the back. I think the customers have spoken as to what has been bothering us for a long time, but my guess is none of those issues that have been sticking us in the side for so long will be addressed.


Just asking for a pause until we can get OUR heads round it and try to hammer out solutions.

Obviously Confidential
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:06:00 - [5]
 

Bump for great wisdom and trust.

The CSM will handle this with CCP, I have confidence in both.

It's the right thing to do and it's the right way for this kind of situation to be sorted out, let's set an example for future problems like these (hope we never have them again) as well as for the gaming world.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:07:00 - [6]
 

GL. I agree wholeheartedly.

Sable Blitzmann
Minmatar
Massively Dynamic
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:09:00 - [7]
 

Well said Tree.

Strrog
Caldari
Zero Excavations
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:10:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Strrog on 28/06/2011 02:12:35
Edited by: Strrog on 28/06/2011 02:11:08
Dear White Tree,

We place hope on the CSMs wisdom to fix the problems associated with this expac and some CCP money issues.

You White Tree brought some hope to this ermmm dark world of EVE :).

./expects cool stuff enthusiastically


PS. And if things fail for everything else there is NOIR Twisted Evil

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:11:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 28/06/2011 02:13:02
Originally by: Atlentia
Let's see what comes out of the meeting first, then pat ourselves on the back. I think the customers have spoken as to what has been bothering us for a long time, but my guess is none of those issues that have been sticking us in the side for so long will be addressed.

+1

I'm sure the CSM will do their best, but CCP have quite clearly set their course and will stay on it. Mass unsubscriptions and Jita blockades pushed their collective buttons, but all you're likely to see is -at best - a bunch of weasel-worded statements they can abide by until they're ready to take the next run at milking this cash cow for all it's worth.

Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:12:00 - [10]
 

I am certainly ready to examine their actions and not what they say.

/Seriously, how much of that did CCP write for you?
//just asking

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:12:00 - [11]
 

I will follow this with great interest.


AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:13:00 - [12]
 

Sorry White Tree but whilst I get your sentiment, you can't convince me for a second that a company is going to go against the advice of marketers, economists, "professionals in the field"; to listen to a bunch of quote "computer nerds".

Do you meet with the shareholders at all? I seen a list a couple of days ago that says Hilmar owns 2% of shares in CCP. Regardless of how much he loves Eve, he doesn't have a choice when the majority say "Eve needs to make more money".

I appreciate your attempt to calm the people though.


White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:13:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Doc Fury
I am certainly ready to examine their actions and not what they say.

/Seriously, how much of that did CCP write for you?
//just asking



None of it. I just figured I'd post how I feel, personally.

Reilly Duvolle
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:13:00 - [14]
 

In the end, we that have unsubscribed havent done so because we hate CCP. We have done so because we love EVE, and we HATE the idea of it beeing destroyed by shortsighted financial concerns. Still, CCP needs to have a financial situation that enables them to go forth. Your job is to contribute to a reconciliation of those two concerns. CCP absolutely needs to make money for the company to be sustainable, and the players want EVE back. Better than ever. With a community as strong as ours, I am sure there are ways.

Kappas Katamara
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:14:00 - [15]
 

Supported!

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:14:00 - [16]
 

Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree. CCP doesn't need a CSM meeting to say "we will never allow cash purchases of items with any in-game effect". You have a job to do in convincing them to fix the item shop in general, but there is absolutely no reason that we should have to wait for a simple answer to our most important concern.

The longer CCP stays silent, the more it convinces us that this CSM meeting is nothing more than propaganda that will have no impact on the eventual decision to allow the purchase of in-game advantages.

Kaltor e'Daw
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:15:00 - [17]
 

I applaud the optimism, but the only thing that will ever appease the vast majority of those who have indeed banded together is a complete reversal of the proposed RMT.

I don't believe anything else will be effective.

And, as we all suspect, that won't happen, a 100% honest, frank and direct admission of their failure, their plans and EVE's future. The vast majority of players are not stupid. They can indeed read between the devblog lines.

It's time for the truth, whether CCP likes it or not.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:16:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin

The longer CCP stays silent, the more it convinces us that this CSM meeting is nothing more than propaganda that will have no impact on the eventual decision to allow the purchase of in-game advantages.


If this is just a simple PR move then yeah, we're going to be equally upset but I maintain hope that it isn't. That's my job broseph, to keep hope alive.

Frederick Yassavi
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:16:00 - [19]
 

Thanks, White Tree, and the rest of the CSM. You've been a clear and articulate voice through all of this, and I greatly appreciate it.

For those making "CCP wrote this post" comments: you obviously haven't been paying attention. Nobody would mistake the way the CSM has been talking for blind subservience. They have been pointed and critical of CCP throughout.

Karthwritte
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.







YES, flames and rage are bad right now at this point. The point is making EVE better, not destroy it because we crashed with the dev, which are not evil people.

And if you still feel something burn inside you, giving you a sensation of illness, making your throat feel bad and your mouth taste like death, drink Pepto-Bismol. Will help.

Garekell
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:17:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Doc Fury
I am certainly ready to examine their actions and not what they say.

/Seriously, how much of that did CCP write for you?
//just asking



This - and I voted for you. More delay. More time wasted. More hired fanbois. After they lied to you which mittens admits you fly out there yet again to be used.

Sorry - why should we see it any other way. Its happened again and again and again.


Fungus Amongus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:17:00 - [22]
 

I fully support this message.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:18:00 - [23]
 

SO SAY WE ALL!


quevie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:19:00 - [24]
 

Well said WT. I hope some coherent feedback can be provided.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Nishachara

SO SAY WE ALL!




Oh god I love the Admiral. ~swoon~

Kiwi Miner
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:19:00 - [26]
 

Just a question? if ccp respected the csm so much why did csm not know about this before it happened? why did ccp not answer the questions asked to the csm?
How can we be sure ccp has not asked the csm to Iceland only to bribe them with more free trips and the like to get them on side?
How as players after reading what the ceo thinks of us can we trust anything they say. what they say to day turns into a misunderstanding tomorrow.
ccp zulu said he was writing a blog over a day ago no blog how do we trust anything said to us ??


Akrosi
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:20:00 - [27]
 

Thanks for all your doing White Tree. Please don't let them persuade you into trying to convince the community about micro-transactions, stay strong! And remember, you're their customer,you hold the power. Their jobs, houses and lifestyle are thanks to US.


Debrue
Gallente
Sacred Templars
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:20:00 - [28]
 

Thank you White Tree. It has been an extremely historic moment in gaming history and I suspect we all need to step back for a moment and digest what is happening. I am willing to give them a chance to reevaluate the game's direction and CCP's modes of communication.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:20:00 - [29]
 

1 Its imperative that they promise no competitive advantages being sold in the NEX market.

There is no leeway on this. The element of the game is you pay $15 a month and get access to the whole sandbox.

2 It would be nice if they came up with a customer friendly pricing structure on vanity items.

The current prices are exploitative as opposed to being a service. They dont ruin the game, they just make us resent CCP.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:21:00 - [30]
 

I suspect that deep down, most of us do not want to see CCP as the enemy. Right now many do, myself included, though this entire mess can still be corrected. We're all waiting to see what comes out of the summit. That's how it stands.


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