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Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:32:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Tom Gerard
Originally by: Debbie Hakomairos
Cool story bro


Guns cost as much as pants.


The last one I was looking at, the guy priced it to me for FOUR PAIRS of Hilmar pants. I was like dude, I could buy four pairs of pants for that...

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly

I completely disagree. If someone is going to use a weapon on someone in the realm of self defense you do not aim to injure. You aim to kill. PERIOD!


Agreed. You get fancy, you get dead. Keep it simple, fire at center mass until threat is down, wait for bleed out before you call the police and claim you were distraught. Wink

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:35:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Saddeyes
Originally by: P42ALPHA
Nothing scarier then a idiot and his gun.


Wrong.

Nothing scarier than a well trained and adept gunman and his gun.


Wrong.

Nothing scarier than a well trained and adept gunman who is a idiot and his gun.

Vasaczk
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:40:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly

I completely disagree. If someone is going to use a weapon on someone in the realm of self defense you do not aim to injure. You aim to kill. PERIOD!


Agreed. You get fancy, you get dead. Keep it simple, fire at center mass until threat is down, wait for bleed out before you call the police and claim you were distraught. Wink

Lulz at talking tough on the internet.

Grats.

Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:43:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly
Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 28/06/2011 02:17:09
Home Defense: You want a shotgun. Simple. Nothing else. Nowhere near as difficult to hit a target in a frantic situation as a handgun.

If you're thinking its too close-quarters, then son you don't need a gun, you need a knife.

Pack a non-lethal round followed by a lethal. That way the stigma of using it in a defense situation is removed (you can have all the training in the world but you still face killing someone when you're looking down that barrel, a lot of people would hesitate).

The first shot you will make is a warning shot which will incapacitate the intruder, the second if they keep on coming will kill.

Rifles: Competitive shooting or hunting. Great fun, have shot many many of these in my time.

Handguns: Of no use whatsoever to the general public except for concealed carry (which should not be allowed for the general public imo) or rudeboys.

I'm not in favour of banning pistols or handguns, I have many friends who shoot them competitively just as I do rifles however to choose a ".357 magnum" ahead of a shotgun for home defense only highlights your immaturity and incapability of making a sensible decision.

Never carry unless you intend to use.




I completely disagree. If someone is going to use a weapon on someone in the realm of self defense you do not aim to injure. You aim to kill. PERIOD! Read about the tests done with 30 cal bullets. A man can still travel xx feet before dying. You never injure. You kill. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


I would again direct you to the .44 Magnum. No chance of failure to stop, or completely demoralize.


Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:45:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Vasaczk

Lulz at talking tough on the internet.

Grats.


That's not talking tough, that is what I was trained to do -- followed by a little advice from my neighbor, a county sherriff.

Grog Barrel
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:48:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tom Gerard
I have never owned a firearm, but I really liked the feel of roams in EVE, I figure I could do the same just shooting animals in some distant area, but I wanted a gun that spoke to me.

I went shopping at the local range, learned I need ALOT of training before I can safely handle one but my dream of shooting random animals is one shared by men across the world.

Rifles are incredibly popular but don't offer the "home defense" training that pistol hunters can attain. Being once again in a harsh universe I looked at all the shiny guns, I found one I liked, it is a 357 magnum to be specific it is a Smith and Wesson 686 4 inch barrel and a wooden grip.

Talking to the dealer I learned this pistol would not only kill any critter I could run into in the Southeastern US, but also could dispatch an entire team of Russian invaders should the red army attack.

Not being sure about "red army" part of the advice I declined the purchase (~$1000 ammo/tax/permits) and signed up for a gun class.

Firearms are exactly like eve I am literally going to get an certification that is called "Core Competency Basic" just like EVE =)

-- Tom


Once i am able, i will open an illegal gun/weed shop in a Sansha station. This shop will have an awesome database/library about weapons you can visit. Also discussions are welcome between customers. Feel free to visit us. Fights and shooting other customers are allowed, only if you pay back what you destroyed, otherwise I will put a bomb in your pod.

41527
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:50:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: 41527 on 28/06/2011 02:51:43
Originally by: Tom Gerard
Originally by: Saddeyes
Originally by: P42ALPHA
Nothing scarier then a idiot and his gun.


Wrong.

Nothing scarier than a well trained and adept gunman and his gun.


core competency basic makes me an adept gunman?


yes and very capable at pvp'ing with squirrels and skunks and such but to pvp with scary vets with bigger guns your gonna have to open up that certificate planner and train up a couple more levels....

i think to pvp with a bear you might need some long range missle skills.

Vasaczk
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:57:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Vasaczk

Lulz at talking tough on the internet.

Grats.


That's not talking tough, that is what I was trained to do -- followed by a little advice from my neighbor, a county sherriff.

No you're talking up a storm on internet forums in an attempt to make yourself look good.

Someone real would unlikely to have an Eve account, then even more unlikely is having an Eve account and bothering with forums, then even more unlikely someone with an Eve account, bothering with forums, and posting in this particular topic. Chance of this happening: slim to none.

Compare that to the 1000's of toolbags like you we see everyday on internet forums spouting garbage.

Common occurance vs highly unlikely scenario. Logic dictates that you are a little nerd, talking big Laughing

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:11:00 - [40]
 

Confirming I'm "talking up a storm" because I own guns and know how to use them. Imagine that, a Texan who grew up around guns! Shocked

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:20:00 - [41]
 

I started getting interested in gun ownership about four years ago. After spending far too many hours playing various first-person shooters, I'd decided that I wanted a military style rifle. Early on, I'd decided I wanted something that was, above all, accurate.

I started out by doing some research online and read more about the different cartridge calibers. While cheap, the 7.62x39 around and the weapon it was most commonly fired from (the AK-47) were notorious for being inaccurate. I looked into other military-style ammo types, and swiftly discovered the 5.56mm NATO and 7.62mm NATO (7.62x51) rounds. The 5.56 was known for relatively high availability and decent power, but for being largely useless beyond 400 yards. In contrast, the 7.62mm NATO had a lower availability, higher cost, but far superior aerodynamics, flight characteristics, and stopping power. Further research showed that, when available, military surplus 7.62mm NATO was a little pricey, but well within the range of what I could afford. As such, I decided I wanted a rifle that was chambered in 7.62mm NATO.

Using the power of teh intarwebs, I discovered that two of the most readily available and accurate semi-automatic firearms for my chosen round were the Springfield Armory M1A (the civilian version of the M14) and the AR-10 (basically a semi-automatic M16 chambered for a heavier round and available from a number of manufacturers). I was initially leaning towards the Springfield M1A mostly due to the fact that I'd used one in a video game (yeah, I know...), but as time went on and I learned more, I decided that I would prefer an AR-style rifle, mostly due to its pistol grip, which puts less strain on the wrist.

At this point, I decided that I was sufficiently interested to go out and purchase something, but that I didn't know if I'd be enthusiastic enough to justify the massive purchase price of a truly accurate AR-10; instead, I decided I'd start with a .22. Being a lefty, I figured I would just pick up a left-handed semi-auto .22 and that would be that. Little did I know that left-handed firearms are almost nonexistant. After extensive searching, I found that Savage Arms manufactures a bolt action rifle chambered for .22 Winchester Magnum, and I ended up ordering a Savage Model 93 GL in 2009.

After mounting a 4x magnification scope from Konus, I took it out to the range and gave it a try. Not having fired a rifle since I was 14, I wasn't sure what to expect aside from the fact that I probably wouldn't hit a damned thing to start. That turned out to be quite accurate, but mostly because my scope wasn't properly adjusted and zeroed. I eventually managed to get a good zero on it and found target shooting extremely fun and well worth the money I'd spent. I was also glad I went with the .22 magnum instead of a standard .22 since the latter just felt like a kid's gun to me.

Anyway, fast-forward to a year later. I'd just bought a house and wanted to get something for home defense. Not knowing a damned thing about pistols aside from the fact that the 9mm cartridge was a.) highly available and b.) cheap, I decided to pick up a pistol chambered for it. After a modest amount of research and acting on the theory that if it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing, I bought a Springfield Armory XD(M) 9mm. With a ridiculously high magazine capacity (19 rounds) and a match-grade barrel, I found it to be an excellent handgun, though I haven't managed to become anywhere near as proficient with it as I am with a rifle.

In any case, when my tax refund for purchasing a house came in from the government, I decided it was finally time to buy the rifle I'd been lusting after. I'd been looking at purchasing a DPSM Panther Tactial SASS, but the waiting list was months long.

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:28:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Wrayeth on 28/06/2011 03:29:38
Knowing that and also knowing that what I really wanted was the Armalite AR-10 Super SASS (Armalite is the premier manufacturer of AR-10's, known for high quality and the best accuracy), I decided I was going to (if you'll pardon the pun) bite the bullet and buy one.

Of course, life interfered at this point, and I had to blow $1300.00 fixing my truck, so I lacked the funds to get the Super SASS unless I wanted to either a.) dip into my emergency savings (i.e. not happening), or b.) wait another 6 months. Neither of those was particularly palatable, so instead I decided I'd go for the next best thing, Armalite's AR-10 National Match.

About a week and a half ago, I manned up and ordered one, and picked it up from the local gun shop last Saturday. After heading out to the range on Sunday, I can tell you that it was worth every penny: I was hitting targets at 200 and 300 yards with iron sights, and the bullet drop at those ranges was negligible. The rifle is hideously accurate, and is everything I had been looking for.

I can't wait until I've got enough saved to put a decent scope on it, which will take things to a whole 'nother level.

Anyway, that's the story of my sordid love affair with firearms.

Mattias Kerensky
Minmatar
The Flying Tigers
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:29:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Mattias Kerensky on 28/06/2011 03:29:16
Growing up on a farm in Texas, I've always been comfortable around guns. I myself own two shotguns, a .270 rifle, and the only gun that I got for myself rather than buying/inheriting, a Hi-Point C9 9mm semiauto pistol. The pistol was 160 bucks, and it's dead on reliable and accurate, love it.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:35:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Mattias Kerensky
a Hi-Point C9 9mm semiauto pistol. The pistol was 160 bucks, and it's dead on reliable and accurate, love it.


I know a CHL instructor who would refuse to qualify you with one of those. When I did my renewal someone brought one of those and our instructor, who was a Liberty county sherriff, told the guy his options were a refund or come back next week with a suitable carry gun.

Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.06.28 09:39:00 - [45]
 

Heavens sake man, get a rifle. If you want a pistol get .22 first to practice shooting. Alternatively if you want home defense kit you could get a shotgun, works for hunting too.

Altzcher
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:59:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Altzcher on 28/06/2011 15:04:27
Soo much to say, so much to say - that your ofc 1200% psychoes are obvious, but.. Do you know this yourself..?


To quote a cop: “when u sit there, masturbating in ur own fecees, do u ever go -Damn, this is so ****ing insane what im doing right now, its amazing im not behind bars, being so ****ing wack as I am- do u guys do that..? “

Well.. do you, punks?. ;)

When you sit there toying with your 6 round 356 magnums and feel it “speaking to you” and fantasizing about the junkie Blackman entering your house and what ur gun might do to him..

Do you ever go: “Goddamnit! I.. am sick to my bones.. I mean, I am really ****ing completely insane - it’s a miracle I can stand on my own accord being so ****ing sick as I am”

Or.. are u so rotten, and completely corrupted that the thought isn’t even recognizable to you?

In either case let me make something clear to you, something which we “treehuggers” take for granted and which is more or less os the core of the “emo ways of life”.

Ready for it?

Here it comes

: What EVER u do to ur fellow man, being or creature, WILL come right back and kick u in the ass:

EVERYTHING.

E-ve-ry-thing.

.


k?

K

That’s why so many of us are emo, and disturbed and try to hold on to our selfes and our emotions and try and remain HUMAN - INSPITE of the pain, INSPITE of the fear and INSPITE of people like you - the weak part - who let go all too long ago, and ended up feasting on the suffering and pain of ur fellow man - Souls who CAN handle it, having the ****ing emotions.

Killers, for that’s what u are, having taken a life or not, are the ones society can live without, but we, the tree huggers, has to endure you, and need to do so, on the very principle of our existence, simply because acting on your evil, would negate the very definition of who we are.

So yes. You are safe in this, evil and corrupted as u must be, wielding and living off and with fear, in ur societies, we can only hurt you once u act on ur notions, but know this, that what ever you cause of harm with it, will be send back to you in equal measure, at one time or another.

Remember it, cause know it or not, its law.

It's called karma.


S.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:42:00 - [47]
 

a good thing about Shotguns also is that the shot has a lower chance to maintain lethal power after going through a wall. not that you should miss with a shotty but in the event that you do the shot is less likely to kill someone two rooms over.

you also have the fact that nothing beats that sound a pump action being ****ed, that alone will scare some people away because any logic will tell you the only thing followed by that sound is someone going into a body bag.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:43:00 - [48]
 

How easy is it to get into Somalia and then to buy a gun from a public market in Mogadishu? YARRRR!!

Darteis Elosia
Gallente
PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G.
Posted - 2011.06.28 21:47:00 - [49]
 

I enjoy shooting the AK-5 and the Glock 17 down the range. Especially i like shooting the glock rather than the rifle because we've got a red dot scope so it's not optimal when shooting over at 100 meters or more, which is what we usually do when we shoot our rifle. However red dot scope is awesome for shorter ranges like when we do "instinctive shooting".

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.28 22:57:00 - [50]
 

I support this as guns are awesome, nothing beats the sheer power of firing them, just never do it on a horse unless it's trained for that Very Happy

Since I supposed you are form the US I know it has a nice assortment of weapons of all kinds for your tastes, if you want to hunt game I'd reccomend a 30-06 , mostly due to ammo availability and relative ease of use plus casing/bullet mixtures and styles. Learn to use that and you will begin the best road ever taken.

Ignore the weapon haters, it will be you defending their right to speak such ideas when the time comes, not the other way around. Very Happy

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.29 10:37:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Altzcher
Edited by: Altzcher on 28/06/2011 15:04:27
Soo much to say, so much to say - that your ofc 1200% psychoes are obvious, but.. Do you know this yourself..?


To quote a cop: “when u sit there, masturbating in ur own fecees, do u ever go -Damn, this is so ****ing insane what im doing right now, its amazing im not behind bars, being so ****ing wack as I am- do u guys do that..? “

Well.. do you, punks?. ;)

When you sit there toying with your 6 round 356 magnums and feel it “speaking to you” and fantasizing about the junkie Blackman entering your house and what ur gun might do to him..

Do you ever go: “Goddamnit! I.. am sick to my bones.. I mean, I am really ****ing completely insane - it’s a miracle I can stand on my own accord being so ****ing sick as I am”

Or.. are u so rotten, and completely corrupted that the thought isn’t even recognizable to you?

In either case let me make something clear to you, something which we “treehuggers” take for granted and which is more or less os the core of the “emo ways of life”.

Ready for it?

Here it comes

: What EVER u do to ur fellow man, being or creature, WILL come right back and kick u in the ass:

EVERYTHING.

E-ve-ry-thing.

.


k?

K

That’s why so many of us are emo, and disturbed and try to hold on to our selfes and our emotions and try and remain HUMAN - INSPITE of the pain, INSPITE of the fear and INSPITE of people like you - the weak part - who let go all too long ago, and ended up feasting on the suffering and pain of ur fellow man - Souls who CAN handle it, having the ****ing emotions.

Killers, for that’s what u are, having taken a life or not, are the ones society can live without, but we, the tree huggers, has to endure you, and need to do so, on the very principle of our existence, simply because acting on your evil, would negate the very definition of who we are.

So yes. You are safe in this, evil and corrupted as u must be, wielding and living off and with fear, in ur societies, we can only hurt you once u act on ur notions, but know this, that what ever you cause of harm with it, will be send back to you in equal measure, at one time or another.

Remember it, cause know it or not, its law.

It's called karma.


S.


This could be the single most disturbing post in the history of OOPE.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:21:00 - [52]
 

Oh man "The crazy" is strong in this one...

Doesnt tom Gerard have mental issues confirmed by himself?

Aren't mentally unstable people the ones who should be dissuaded from own such tools?

AEO: Gabby Giffords.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:48:00 - [53]
 

I shot a wild boar in the side of the head with a .357 Magnum 157gr HP and all it did was get it really mad. It tried to kill me, the dogs, and two other guys and I had to stab it to death with a Glock knife (yes, Glock makes knives).

Tasted good after marinating for 2 days in Jim Beam and cola.



Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:57:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Aren't mentally unstable people the ones who should be dissuaded from own such tools?


I once knew a schizophrenic guy who got a gun license without a problem. He then got drunk one night and holed up in his bedroom with his guns after his parents called the cops. They ended up tasing him several times and hauling him off to jail for a few days.

Still has a gun license.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:00:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Aren't mentally unstable people the ones who should be dissuaded from own such tools?


I once knew a schizophrenic guy who got a gun license without a problem. He then got drunk one night and holed up in his bedroom with his guns after his parents called the cops. They ended up tasing him several times and hauling him off to jail for a few days.

Still has a gun license.



That's because he's in the pocket. Next time the pols want to pass more gun laws, they have hope that someone like this shoots up a shopping mall so the media can do the usual blood dance.

Meanwhile, veterans returning from war are having their rights taken if they so much as gotten their "bell rung" or been in traumatic combat (as if there was any other kind). But veterans who get told they are "defending freedom" and actually had to bleed for it don't like coming back home to find their country becoming the very thing they were told they were fighting against, and the system knows that, and so veterans are the last people they want to ever have any guns, unless those veterans become cops and join the minions that help turn America into the very thing that soldiers are told they fight against.


Nak hak
Posted - 2011.06.29 20:04:00 - [56]
 

"This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.... blah, blah, blah,...."

Get a big gun safe, or just still home to guard your gun(s).






Taowulf Casternavas
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:33:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
The company I work for requires all employees to undergo defensive training and carry at least two guns (main and back up) at all times.

So I carry a Springfield XD 40 and a Sig P238.

And all I do is personel and supply management. Laughing


Either you work in Iraq, a police department, or I want to work with you. :)

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:55:00 - [58]
 

Before I went to the USA for the first time I had a typically male novolty amusement from guns in fiction. When I first went to the USA I went through the airport and saw a short fat policeman. He had a revolver as a side arm. It then struck me that every American police officer starts the working day with his sidearm with a mentality that he has to be ready to kill someone with it in a very serious situation. Another time I saw a 6ft 5 policeman with a shaved head, handlebar mustache with a shotgun locked into the dashboard of his police car. Now this makes me chuckle as I have really given the UK police some abuse during emo rages. If I did that to Dirk Shotgun he would have slammed me to the floor and cuffed me. When I was in California I heard a story about a lunatic who went around with a cardboard cut out of a gun. Supposedly the locals knew about him and did not fuss about it. But one day he was shot dead by the police. Sometimes I browse US gun e-tailers. A comments section for a cheaper 9mm gun really struck me. It was by a security guard who said he is glad he brought this value for money pistol for his job. Some average ******* on $8 an hour who has to buy his own firearm so he can either disable or kill someone on some bit of estate he has to protect.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:11:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Taowulf Casternavas
Originally by: Jada Maroo
The company I work for requires all employees to undergo defensive training and carry at least two guns (main and back up) at all times.

So I carry a Springfield XD 40 and a Sig P238.

And all I do is personel and supply management. Laughing


Either you work in Iraq, a police department, or I want to work with you. :)


He might work for an armored car company(aka the Money Wagon that goes to large stores and between banks), I know here in the US at least they are packing heat. Heck I think the guy in the back either has a shotgun or an M16.

Doom Bang
Gonzo.
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:13:00 - [60]
 

Glock 21 (.45) owner here. After 3 break in attempts in 3 days I'm glad I own one. Here in a few months I'll be buying a Mosin and a cheap .22 rifle to shoot off for fun.


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