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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:05:00 - [271]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:09:19

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Josh Bolder
I am a producer and very often sort out money for new films and completion of budgets in excess of 20 million pounds. I have not seen this supposed annual report, but you all seem to be speculating on a cash flow forecast. Which may have many varying aspects, not to forget that the engines (Carbon) and code, itself will be sold to other markets e.g. the quake engine or the Unreal Engine and many more. Also the company most likely have A class Shares and B class Shares for investors in each project, with each project also being supported by other projects and products. Plus the projects will also have completion bonds. The loan itself will already have a refinancing option built in.

In other words none of you know what the F your talking about so for gods sake move on and concentrate on other issues.




the 'terrible financial situation' is the context chosen by a bunch of kids who are on summer break from highschool. We're dealing with people here who cant stand the idea that someone else might be wearing a monocle that does absolutly nothing. This group saw one word about loans and automatically thought CCP was going under. Infact, many businesses take out loans. It happens thousands of times each day. Welcome to the real world kids.


Thats funny, lots of companies I know never took out loans and even refused to do so. They where operating at a loss during RnD stage, until break even, if they really needed more money, they would have bought a profitable company and used that to fund their RnD. Plenty of successful companies never get loans and grow.


Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:05:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Josh Bolder
I am a producer and very often sort out money for new films and completion of budgets in excess of 20 million pounds. I have not seen this supposed annual report, but you all seem to be speculating on a cash flow forecast. Which may have many varying aspects, not to forget that the engines (Carbon) and code, itself will be sold to other markets e.g. the quake engine or the Unreal Engine and many more. Also the company most likely have A class Shares and B class Shares for investors in each project, with each project also being supported by other projects and products. Plus the projects will also have completion bonds. The loan itself will already have a refinancing option built in.

In other words none of you know what the F your talking about so for gods sake move on and concentrate on other issues.




the 'terrible financial situation' is the context chosen by a bunch of kids who are on summer break from highschool. We're dealing with people here who cant stand the idea that someone else might be wearing a monocle that does absolutly nothing. This group saw one word about loans and automatically thought CCP was going under. Infact, many businesses take out loans. It happens thousands of times each day. Welcome to the real world kids.


So that's just a haters gonna hate rant? Thanks.

Josh Bolder
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:09:00 - [273]
 

Edited by: Josh Bolder on 28/06/2011 01:10:40
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:02:19
Originally by: Josh Bolder
I am a producer and very often sort out money for new films and completion of budgets in excess of 20 million pounds. I have not seen this supposed annual report, but you all seem to be speculating on a cash flow forecast. Which may have many varying aspects, not to forget that the engines (Carbon) and code, itself will be sold to other markets e.g. the quake engine or the Unreal Engine and many more. Also the company most likely have A class Shares and B class Shares for investors in each project, with each project also being supported by other projects and products. Plus the projects will also have completion bonds. The loan itself will already have a refinancing option built in.

In other words none of you know what the F your talking about so for gods sake move on and concentrate on other issues.




ok. so you on the internet sort out 20 million deals, ok.. but you cant be a rsed to read the actual report, but you claim expertese on the report and to know their bond details.

Ok, Im in.



It is basic business structure you know business and accounting 101, you don't get large loans or investments with out bonds or evidence of growth, it is not their current state that you are all talking about it is their CASH FLOW FORECAST so I couldn't give a flying duck about a supposed report which would only have the previous companies 'tax year' stats on. I am commenting on the current chatter in the forum. LOL

alexreborn
Invicta.
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:10:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Josh Bolder
I am a producer and very often sort out money for new films and completion of budgets in excess of 20 million pounds. I have not seen this supposed annual report, but you all seem to be speculating on a cash flow forecast. Which may have many varying aspects, not to forget that the engines (Carbon) and code, itself will be sold to other markets e.g. the quake engine or the Unreal Engine and many more. Also the company most likely have A class Shares and B class Shares for investors in each project, with each project also being supported by other projects and products. Plus the projects will also have completion bonds. The loan itself will already have a refinancing option built in.

In other words none of you know what the F your talking about so for gods sake move on and concentrate on other issues.




Show where CCP is planning to license the Carbon engine, licensing it to your competitors is not really a good idea, unless you expect them to bail you out, but that could back fire.

They however will use it in their other projects. Licensing Carbon I don't see (yet).







LOL liscence the carbon endgine? SOLD TO OTHER MARKETS>>>??? Lol.... LOLOL seriously, you lost any credibility about your 20 million account that u manage when you said that.

have u seen incarna CQ???? Thats the best they could do after how long??? Dude original counter strike beta looks better then that.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:11:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Show where CCP is planning to license the Carbon engine, licensing it to your competitors is not really a good idea, unless you expect them to bail you out, but that could back fire.


Huh, i guess ID Software, Valve Software, Epic Games, Turbine, etc, etc, never got that memo.

Good thing we've got these brilliant eve players here to show these industry fools how to run a corp! I'll bet they'll be glad to know they need to stop selling game engines.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:11:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Josh Bolder
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:02:19
Originally by: Josh Bolder
I am a producer and very often sort out money for new films and completion of budgets in excess of 20 million pounds. I have not seen this supposed annual report, but you all seem to be speculating on a cash flow forecast. Which may have many varying aspects, not to forget that the engines (Carbon) and code, itself will be sold to other markets e.g. the quake engine or the Unreal Engine and many more. Also the company most likely have A class Shares and B class Shares for investors in each project, with each project also being supported by other projects and products. Plus the projects will also have completion bonds. The loan itself will already have a refinancing option built in.

In other words none of you know what the F your talking about so for gods sake move on and concentrate on other issues.




It is basic business structure you know business and accounting 101, you don't get large loans or investments with out bonds or evidence of growth, it is not their current state that you are all talking about it is their CASH FLOW FORECAST so I couldn't give a flying duck about a supposed report which would only have the previous companies 'tax year' stats on. I am commenting on the current chatter in the forum. LOL



ok. so you on the internet sort out 20 million deals, ok.. but you cant be a rsed to read the actual report, but you claim expertese on the report and to know their bond details.

Ok, Im in.



And they need to get that growth in there, hence the agressive Microtransactions.


Mister Dreyfus
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:12:00 - [277]
 

Edited by: Mister Dreyfus on 28/06/2011 01:12:19
I'm going to doublepost my reply to the other thread. A 12m dollar loan on 57M/yr revenue is not that big a deal. They can probably roll the entire thing over anyway. CCP also has other ways to raise cash if they need to. One of those ways might be boosting the revenue of their flagship product, but it's certainly not the only way.


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Miilla
Show where CCP is planning to license the Carbon engine, licensing it to your competitors is not really a good idea, unless you expect them to bail you out, but that could back fire.


Huh, i guess ID Software, Valve Software, Epic Games, Turbine, etc, etc, never got that memo.

Good thing we've got these brilliant eve players here to show these industry fools how to run a corp! I'll bet they'll be glad to know they need to stop selling game engines.


Yeah CCP is right up there with Valve, ID, Epic and turbine lol

Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 - [279]
 

Here is an idea CCP: Keep the customers you already HAVE happy rather than fishing for new ones that might pay you more money!

Do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you have to do to keep the PAYING CUSTOMERS you have WALKING OUT THE DOOR from leaving, and you MIGHT make it through this financial MESS you have gotten yourself into with p iss-poor management and completely incompetent leadership.

I personally don't believe in the CSM as anything more than a PR gimmick on the part of CCP. But, promising them EVERY LITTLE THING that your CURRENT paying customers want to hear MIGHT help.

As for me, this just proves it. I can't believe ANYTHING that comes out of CCPs mouth. Their DESPERATE. And, desperate people will say and do ANYTHING to save themselves from the abyss.

My advise CCP? Doesn't matter. You won't listen. But I can predict what you are GOING to do in the end to save yourself. The same thing every company does when faced with a financial disaster of this magnitude. Layoffs. And, hence, my prediction of some of the devs finding out things the hard way in the unemployment line, comes true.

Cheers, for what it's worth.

Realdoll1
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:14:00 - [280]
 

If microtransactions fail CCP will be sold. Simple as that.

MT, really? You bet the farm on friggin microtransactions,,,,,,

SJ



Josh Bolder
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:15:00 - [281]
 

Originally by: alexreborn
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Josh Bolder
I am a producer and very often sort out money for new films and completion of budgets in excess of 20 million pounds. I have not seen this supposed annual report, but you all seem to be speculating on a cash flow forecast. Which may have many varying aspects, not to forget that the engines (Carbon) and code, itself will be sold to other markets e.g. the quake engine or the Unreal Engine and many more. Also the company most likely have A class Shares and B class Shares for investors in each project, with each project also being supported by other projects and products. Plus the projects will also have completion bonds. The loan itself will already have a refinancing option built in.

In other words none of you know what the F your talking about so for gods sake move on and concentrate on other issues.





Show where CCP is planning to license the Carbon engine, licensing it to your competitors is not really a good idea, unless you expect them to bail you out, but that could back fire.

They however will use it in their other projects. Licensing Carbon I don't see (yet).






LOL liscence the carbon endgine? SOLD TO OTHER MARKETS>>>??? Lol.... LOLOL seriously, you lost any credibility about your 20 million account that u manage when you said that.

have u seen incarna CQ???? Thats the best they could do after how long??? Dude original counter strike beta looks better then that.




LOL Carbon is more than the CQ check out the link to see more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qi75CTrYzkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qi75CTrYzk[/url]

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:17:00 - [282]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:19:01



Yeah I hear CCP's main investors are in good standing with the Icelandic people.

I think they are rated at about -10.0 :)

Maybe they can buy back some standings with them for AUR


Josh Bolder
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:19:00 - [283]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Miilla
Show where CCP is planning to license the Carbon engine, licensing it to your competitors is not really a good idea, unless you expect them to bail you out, but that could back fire.


Huh, i guess ID Software, Valve Software, Epic Games, Turbine, etc, etc, never got that memo.

Good thing we've got these brilliant eve players here to show these industry fools how to run a corp! I'll bet they'll be glad to know they need to stop selling game engines.


Thanks for the support, but really a monocle? lol saying that if they brought out a Penguin toy for my cabin I would buy it, MT sure fine a business got to grow, PtW no way. Even though I am inching for more SP

Josh Bolder
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:21:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:19:01



Yeah I hear CCP's main investors are in good standing with the Icelandic people.

I think they are rated at about -10.0 :)

Maybe they can buy back some standings with them for AUR




Just to be clear they are an international company with international investors. their base of opp really has no bearing on anything

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:22:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: Josh Bolder
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:19:01



Yeah I hear CCP's main investors are in good standing with the Icelandic people.

I think they are rated at about -10.0 :)

Maybe they can buy back some standings with them for AUR




Just to be clear they are an international company with international investors. their base of opp really has no bearing on anything


Investors are in Iceland, with shell companies in London.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:23:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
A personal note to CCP: One way out of this mess would be to just be honest about all of this and let us buy those idiotic scorpion skins to solve your darn cash flow problem in the short term. Granted, the words 'Sorry, we ****ed up, please help us keep this sandbox alive. We'll do vanity items only, forever - ok?" would have to be spoken. Just my 2 cents.


That's:
a) sensible, and
b) honest

Neither of em seem to be part of Hilmars world. Unfortunately. Confused


Funny, im pretty sure that all the devblogs and ccp forum posts have been saying they'll sell vanity-only items in NeX and specifically stated that there will be no non-vanity items.

But hey lets act like they didnt, and keep throwing the question up!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:24:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
A personal note to CCP: One way out of this mess would be to just be honest about all of this and let us buy those idiotic scorpion skins to solve your darn cash flow problem in the short term. Granted, the words 'Sorry, we ****ed up, please help us keep this sandbox alive. We'll do vanity items only, forever - ok?" would have to be spoken. Just my 2 cents.


That's:
a) sensible, and
b) honest
Neither of em seem to be part of Hilmars world. Unfortunately. Confused


Funny, im pretty sure that all the devblogs and ccp forum posts have been saying they'll sell vanity-only items in NeX and specifically stated that there will be no non-vanity items.

But hey lets act like they didnt, and keep throwing the question up!


Prepare to be boarded

Josh Bolder
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:24:00 - [288]
 

LOL ok I am now assuming your like some 14 year old and you really have no understanding so i will no longer answer your post, rofl,

Caladan Broood
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:25:00 - [289]
 

So CCP's carbon engine that renders as if it was 2007 again will be licensed and bought up like the quake engine. I guess the developers over at Bioware, Crysis, Bethseda and others are quaking in their boots over the massive engine that is Carbon and how it will crush their decades of engine development and optimization. It isn't every day you can create an engine that will burnout all older system, who wouldn't scramble to use that piece of ****!

Duran Sarn
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:25:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
A personal note to CCP: One way out of this mess would be to just be honest about all of this and let us buy those idiotic scorpion skins to solve your darn cash flow problem in the short term. Granted, the words 'Sorry, we ****ed up, please help us keep this sandbox alive. We'll do vanity items only, forever - ok?" would have to be spoken. Just my 2 cents.


That's:
a) sensible, and
b) honest

Neither of em seem to be part of Hilmars world. Unfortunately. Confused


Funny, im pretty sure that all the devblogs and ccp forum posts have been saying they'll sell vanity-only items in NeX and specifically stated that there will be no non-vanity items.

But hey lets act like they didnt, and keep throwing the question up!


You didn't even read the devblogs, right?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:27:00 - [291]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:28:03



I guess this is why we cannot get GOLD AMMO :( They cannot afford GOLD.


How about BRASS? Can we have BRASS instead? It looks almost like GOLD.


Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:28:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: Josh Bolder
Thanks for the support, but really a monocle? lol saying that if they brought out a Penguin toy for my cabin I would buy it, MT sure fine a business got to grow, PtW no way. Even though I am inching for more SP


You're goddamn right a monocle! lol

I agree though, as long as theres no special extra-damage ammo, or faster ROF guns or something. I'm completely ok with vanity-only items or repainted equivelents in the NeX store, i don't care if they make a top hat that costs 50 plex. Go for it! It doesn't effect the game world, and doesnt give anyone an advantage. It puts cash in CCP's pocket. and it puts more monocles and content in my game, that tbh needs it after all these years =P

Josh Bolder
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:29:00 - [293]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
A personal note to CCP: One way out of this mess would be to just be honest about all of this and let us buy those idiotic scorpion skins to solve your darn cash flow problem in the short term. Granted, the words 'Sorry, we ****ed up, please help us keep this sandbox alive. We'll do vanity items only, forever - ok?" would have to be spoken. Just my 2 cents.


That's:
a) sensible, and
b) honest

Neither of em seem to be part of Hilmars world. Unfortunately. Confused


Funny, im pretty sure that all the devblogs and ccp forum posts have been saying they'll sell vanity-only items in NeX and specifically stated that there will be no non-vanity items.

But hey lets act like they didnt, and keep throwing the question up!




To be fair if it was so clear cut all the Devs would of just said no when it all blew up, I think that they suffer from a slow start rate for noobs which they tried to fix with the officers adds and it must be in their mind to use on nex, I know it would be mine if my chief complaint on unsub was it takes to long to lvl (or equivalent)

but their fearless mag was pretty daming.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:30:00 - [294]
 



STAY THE COURSE! hahahaha


Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:32:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:28:03



I guess this is why we cannot get GOLD AMMO :( They cannot afford GOLD.


How about BRASS? Can we have BRASS instead? It looks almost like GOLD.





I heard if you talk in really large colorful letters, you make your point more valid. So im here to tell you all that CCP has officially stated several times on the devblog and in forums, that they will only carry vanity items in the NeX store.

I also think Pink is a more valid color, and therefore your yellow arguments are now void.


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:28:03



I guess this is why we cannot get GOLD AMMO :( They cannot afford GOLD.


How about BRASS? Can we have BRASS instead? It looks almost like GOLD.





I heard if you talk in really large colorful letters, you make your point more valid. So im here to tell you all that CCP has officially stated several times on the devblog and in forums, that they will only carry vanity items in the NeX store.

I also think Pink is a more valid color, and therefore your yellow arguments are now void.






I have to type large, it's so they can see my text on my monitor from all the way up there in Iceland.


Duran Sarn
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:35:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:28:03



I guess this is why we cannot get GOLD AMMO :( They cannot afford GOLD.


How about BRASS? Can we have BRASS instead? It looks almost like GOLD.





I heard if you talk in really large colorful letters, you make your point more valid. So im here to tell you all that CCP has officially stated several times on the devblog and in forums, that they will only carry vanity items in the NeX store.

I also think Pink is a more valid color, and therefore your yellow arguments are now void.




Would you be so kind and show me where they denied non-vanity items in the devblog?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:40:00 - [298]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:40:28



$8m in 4 months. That's a lot of monocles. 114285.7142857143 to be exact. I don't think there is that many customers to buy monocles.


PepperPotts
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:41:00 - [299]
 

The link in the OP to the fiscals is no longer valid, anybody got a better - working - link ?

Duran Sarn
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:42:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: PepperPotts
The link in the OP to the fiscals is no longer valid, anybody got a better - working - link ?


Deliverers gonna deliver


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