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Sivlar Sylvannathas
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:34:00 - [1]
 

Yesterday, I returned after nearly 4 years in deep freeze.

Can anyone shed some light on the status of the Placid region and the Intaki people? When I was last awake, Intaki and the surrounding systems were very much neglected by the Gallente and overrun by pirates and other questionable folks. Seems after all this time the security status of our systems never changed.

Being gone a while it seems I have missed many events over the years. The Gallente and Caldari are even at war now? Very unsettling since various Caldari used to be sympathetic to the plight of the Intaki people.

-Siv

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:15:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 27/06/2011 18:15:34
Yes, the Caldari are so concerned about the Intaki people they wish to forcibly remove our right to self-determine. Apparently they don't think we can be trusted with it.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:32:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 27/06/2011 18:32:46
Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 27/06/2011 18:32:22
Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 27/06/2011 18:31:58
Welcome back, Captain Sylvannathas.

I am afraid my own personal knowledge of the situation with Intaki is negligible.

I would direct you to this particular thread as it seems to have some relevance for your inquiry.

I do know that the State and the Federation are still at war.

((Edited to fix link, code fail. ))

Sivlar Sylvannathas
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:06:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Sivlar Sylvannathas on 27/06/2011 19:11:44
Thanks for the info Raze. The scope and depth of the current situations is a little beyond my understanding. As I've said I have been gone a very long time and it seems much has changed.

I've never heard of this "Eleutherian Guard" Corporation, in fact the "Intaki Liberation Front" is the only corporation on the thread you linked that would be familiar to me. Back before my deep freeze the Corp I am in (Which now seems to be dead) worked with them as we both had some common ground. We both also worked with various Caldari Corps in the past that helped us run both medical and humaitarian supplies to Intaki. They also helped us combat the various security shorfalls that the Gallente refused to address...and later the Intaki Assembly from what I have heard. This was a very long time ago, much before the current wars.

Captain Ixiris, Before I left, the Caldari helped us because our situation somewhat mirrored thier own before they broke off from the Gallente. I assume if they are trying to occupy us this is no longer the case and this is the price of their support?

Sorry for all the questions, it seems far too many things are very different now.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:19:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 27/06/2011 21:21:12
Originally by: Sivlar Sylvannathas
Captain Ixiris, Before I left, the Caldari helped us because our situation somewhat mirrored thier own before they broke off from the Gallente. I assume if they are trying to occupy us this is no longer the case and this is the price of their support?


Mr. Sylvannathas, just so you're aware, Mr. Ixiris is a Federal partisan's partisan's partisan; he's an unabashed extremist who thinks anyone who has anything remotely nice to say about the Amarr is automatically a terrible person; and, if it isn't already clear enough from what I've already said, he's also a fool.

I advise taking any statements he makes about political realities along the war front with a cubic meter of salt.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sivlar Sylvannathas
Captain Ixiris, Before I left, the Caldari helped us because our situation somewhat mirrored thier own before they broke off from the Gallente. I assume if they are trying to occupy us this is no longer the case and this is the price of their support?


If you will ignore Aria Jenneth's fact-free alarmism for a minute, yes, you are basically correct in your assumption. Caldari occupation of Placid (which, as you will no doubt recall, is primarily inhabited by Intaki) played out as a series of mounting humanitarian and financial catastrophes, spiced with the forcible supression and replacement of local governments. Intaki, one of the most prosperous and well-to-do systems in the Federation, was thrown into an economic crisis by a sustained Caldari blockade.

There's nothing good about the Caldari invasion except those who are opposing it.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:52:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 28/06/2011 05:55:27

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
If you will ignore Aria Jenneth's fact-free alarmism for a minute....


Fact-free alarmism? That seems a stretch.

Andreus, you're a Gallente Federal firebrand. You take pride in it. There's nothing counterfactual or alarmist in noting that.

Furthermore, you've gone so far as to state my second observation outright.

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
And yet the thing I did that apparently lost me your oh-so-dear regard is that I can think of something nice to say about the Amarr.


Which is what happens when you defend the most dangerous, second-to-least defensible political entity in the cluster.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Do you even begin to understand how bizarre that reaction is?


It's perfectly logical. Criminal activity and clinical insanity is common. Wanting to destroy humanity is pretty rare (and most people who want it are amusing and a little bit pathetic; see Koronakesh).


Now, given all of this, about the only thing that seems paintable as "fact-free alarmism" is my assertion that you are a fool. That is an opinion, yes, and, though grounded in certain facts, is not itself factual. As opinions go, however, it's not particularly alarmed.

It's an opinion held with a cool, calm, and reflective mind, and it is one which I here repeat:

You are a fool, Andreus Ixiris.



Mr. Sylvannathas,

This man is a Gallente nationalist and an enemy of Intaki independence, as you will find if you dig into his background even a little. To understand what sort of person you are dealing with here, I refer you to a recent thread on the Amarr.

While not all his words are lies, his statements are half-truths intended to open diplomatic rifts. The Intaki system has reached something of a separate peace with the Ishukone corporation and Mordu's Legion. While it remains formally in the war zone, and formally reoccupied by the Gallente, security and trade remains at least partly in the hands of Caldari and associated interests invited and/or permitted by the Assembly.

This came about after, among other things, the Gallente Federation chose to exclude then-occupied Intaki from the last election.

Be assured that these facts chap Mr. Ixiris' hide something fierce, since he considers himself a loyal Intaki. Whether he can bring himself to lie outright, or just propagandize using partial truths, I do not claim to know or care to find out.

What you can rely upon is that if you desire a free Intaki, this man is your enemy, and recognizes himself as such even if you do not.

I advise that you treat his statements with appropriate caution.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 06:24:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
This man is a Gallente nationalist and an enemy of Intaki independence


Originally by: Aria Jenneth
What you can rely upon is that if you desire a free Intaki, this man is your enemy, and recognizes himself as such even if you do not.


These two statements are absolute, easily-disprovable falsehoods, and the fact that she would attempt to push them despite how easily disprovable they are shows enough contempt for the truth that I am remain confident you will dismiss the rest of her claims as the spurious bull**** they are.

I am in an open alliance with easily the most high-profile Intaki seccessionalist movement in the cluster. Mammal Tafren will vouch for this.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 06:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
These two statements are absolute, easily-disprovable falsehoods, and the fact that she would attempt to push them despite how easily disprovable they are shows enough contempt for the truth that I am remain confident you will dismiss the rest of her claims as the spurious bull**** they are.

I am in an open alliance with easily the most high-profile Intaki seccessionalist movement in the cluster. Mammal Tafren will vouch for this.


Oh?

Have you, then, changed your mind on the subject? I remember you going on and on, every time the issue has come up, about how the majority of Intaki wishes to remain with the Federation.

Admittedly, I haven't been keeping very close track of what has become a bit of a diplomatic knot in Intaki. The question is, assuming all you've said is true, whether it's an alliance of principle, or one of convenience.

Did you change your mind, Andreus?

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 06:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Oh?

Have you, then, changed your mind on the subject? I remember you going on and on, every time the issue has come up, about how the majority of Intaki wishes to remain with the Federation.

Admittedly, I haven't been keeping very close track of what has become a bit of a diplomatic knot in Intaki. The question is, assuming all you've said is true, whether it's an alliance of principle, or one of convenience.


Why can't it be both? Even if I think they're doing it for the wrong reasons, the IPI are doing good work. They're keeping pirate scum (you know, like that two-bit organisation you work for - what's it called again? The Angel Cartel?) out of the system and encouraging legitimate business and trade. No matter what your view on seccession, that's good for the system.

I don't know, Aria. From where I'm standing it must be pretty depressing to be you. I mean, let's face it, you cold-bloodedly murdered a member of your own family, causing yourself to become a despised exile from the planet and nation of your birth. Your best friend betrayed you to work with a more successful, competing pirate organisation. Your dream of a post-human utopia didn't just never get off the ground, it never even underwent the first planning stages. Everything you've ever been a part of has either failed outright, or only become successful after you leave. Hell, I love him as one of my closest friends, but even I was shocked when Vincent Pryce managed to run a more successful pirate organisation than you. That's gotta sting.

And here you are, stuck bickering with me, Andreus Ixiris, because no-one more prestigious or important has enough pity to listen to you.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:29:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 28/06/2011 07:30:59
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Why can't it be both? Even if I think they're doing it for the wrong reasons, the IPI are doing good work. They're keeping pirate scum (you know, like that two-bit organisation you work for - what's it called again? The Angel Cartel?) out of the system and encouraging legitimate business and trade. No matter what your view on seccession, that's good for the system.


Aaaaah, there we go, Mr. Sylvannathas. It's an alliance of principle (that Intaki should be kept safe from pirates, something the Federals appear to care about a little bit more now that the system lies in a war zone) and practicality (that brings otherwise-hostile forces together).

Very nice.

That should do a fair job of telling you what sort of angle he'd prefer you see the universe from-- that is, one that will bring your side and his together to face another allegedly mutual enemy.


Andreus:

That's a very nice list of horrors, real and imagined. It's off-topic, but ... let's see....

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
... you cold-bloodedly murdered a member of your own family, causing yourself to become a despised exile from the planet and nation of your birth.


Exile, yes. Despised, probably. Planet, yes. Nation, not so much.

Connections, you know.

And yes, it was a damned stupid thing to do.

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Your best friend betrayed you to work with a more successful, competing pirate organisation.


Actually, she betrayed me for love. Twice, though only the second was after we founded PRETA. I have more trouble getting around that than I like to admit, even if I can't be entirely sure I wouldn't have done the same in her place.

So, yes, fairly depressing, that one.

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Your dream of a post-human utopia didn't just never get off the ground, it never even underwent the first planning stages.


Ah-- now, that's untrue on two points. First, it was never going to be a utopia. Second, it did get through the planning stages; it was actually in pursuit of it that I got entangled with the Cartel. Also, it didn't get off the ground at least partly because I opted to ground it.

Our future, or at least our immediately foreseeable future, lies here alongside humankind. We will have to weather whatever storm comes; Exodus is sadly not feasible within the likely timeframe.

It might not even be desirable if it were.

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even I was shocked when Vincent Pryce managed to run a more successful pirate organisation than you.


Vincent's done a fine job. He was being a pirate. I was always mostly a thinker, tinkerer, and dabbler-- mostly in nanotech, presently.

I'm not much of a pirate, Andreus. Never was. I'm not sure that's a flaw. And I've always been a better adviser than a leader.

Perhaps we'll see whether that remains the case, going forward.

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And here you are, stuck bickering with me, Andreus Ixiris, because no-one more prestigious or important has enough pity to listen to you.


Peculiar argument. "Look at you, arguing with someone as pathetic as me!" ... I'll pass on hammering the easy cheap shot any harder than I have by noticing it.

Andreus, I'm arguing with you for two reasons. First, it annoys me to see you serving half-truths to an Intaki separatist as though they were a full meal of facts. Second, you unnecessarily made an enemy out of me, and I'm inclined to make you feel the stupidity of that act just a little.

Call it petty revenge for my injured feelings if you like.

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From where I'm standing it must be pretty depressing to be you.


Actually, I'm cheerier at the moment than I've been in months. Maybe a year or so. The reason will become apparent at a later date.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:34:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Aaaaah, there we go, Mr. Sylvannathas. It's an alliance of principle (that Intaki should be kept safe from pirates, something the Federals appear to care about a little bit more now that the system lies in a war zone) and practicality (that brings otherwise-hostile forces together).

Very nice.

That should do a fair job of telling you what sort of angle he'd prefer you see the universe from-- that is, one that will bring your side and his together to face another allegedly mutual enemy.


I'm confused. You're trying to spin an alliance with the goal of safety and prosperity for a region between organisations with differing opinions on a single political subject as... an alliance with the goal of safety and prosperity for a region between organisations with differing opinions on a single political subject.

Well, um, mission accomplished, I guess? Because it's an alliance with the goal of safety and prosperity for a region between organisations with differing opinions on a single political subject.

Kor Shivat
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:03:00 - [13]
 

The long and short of all that, good sir, is stay the **** out of Placid.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:07:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I'm confused. You're trying to spin an alliance with the goal of safety and prosperity for a region between organisations with differing opinions on a single political subject as... an alliance with the goal of safety and prosperity for a region between organisations with differing opinions on a single political subject.


You never did quite understand my purpose, Andreus.

I am a follower of Achura Shuijing. For us, to seek understanding is a sacred act. If you wish to understand why I am not depressed by my failure to ascend the heights of capsuleer society, it is simply this:

I do not care for personal success, nor possessions, nor power. My path is spiritual. What I seek is wisdom, to see the flow of the universe and know my part in it.

Communication, to me, is a method of revealing truth and creating insight. As such, it is sacred, and to tell half of a truth while obscuring the rest so as to twist others' perceptions is as good as to lie outright.

I'm not trying to bring Mr. Sylvannathas around to a particular point of view. I simply find your propagandizing offensive, so I aim to fill in what you're leaving out and to expose the purpose behind your various inclusions and omissions.

I'm not spinning. I'm counter-spinning.

You are associated with the ILF, it seems, in an alliance against the Serpentis. While I consider that a pity, considering the relatively friendly relations my faction has with the Intaki Syndicate, I can well understand the Intaki desire to protect their streets from the perceived threat of boosters. Certain of the ILF's comments elsewhere seem to imply that they may also see the Caldari as invaders who would deny Intaki its sovereignty.

Being as Intaki has made arrangements with Ishukone (which holds "development rights" in the system under Caldari corporate contract), it appears that very little would actually change even if the Caldari did invade. There'd be a good deal of shooting, of course, but the end result would still be a system trading through and guarded by Ishukone and Mordu's Legion, respectively.

... But, if that happened, of course, the Federation's claim to the system might be weakened. So it is strongly in your interest, and perhaps in that of the Intaki as well (though to a much lesser degree, if at all), to bring the separatists in on the Federals' side in the war.

Which is what you've been trying to do here, yes?

But that is scarcely fair to Mr. Sylvannathas. He's about four years out of date, and could use an update from a source whose interests, if not necessarily neutral, are at least aligned with his own.

Hopefully, he'll find one of those. At any event, I have confidence that he understands by now why you might make an unreliable advisor for someone in his position.

And so, a very good morning to you both.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:41:00 - [15]
 

There was a lot of boring stuff about your culture that I didn't read.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
I'm not spinning. I'm counter-spinning.

You are associated with the ILF, it seems, in an alliance against the Serpentis. While I consider that a pity, considering the relatively friendly relations my faction has with the Intaki Syndicate, I can well understand the Intaki desire to protect their streets from the perceived threat of boosters.


It's not "perceived", it's real and if you think otherwise you're a moron.

The Serpentis are using a notorious local death cult as enforcers on the homeworld. I would suggest if you believe the threat the Serpentis pose to the decent people of Intaki is anything other than real, you take it up with Saxon Hawke, who lost his son because of them.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Certain of the ILF's comments elsewhere seem to imply that they may also see the Caldari as invaders who would deny Intaki its sovereignty.


This is largely true.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Being as Intaki has made arrangements with Ishukone (which holds "development rights" in the system under Caldari corporate contract), it appears that very little would actually change even if the Caldari did invade.


And we're meant to trust the word of a nation that has lied to us and abused our trust more times than we can easily count?

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
But, if that happened, of course, the Federation's claim to the system might be weakened. So it is strongly in your interest, and perhaps in that of the Intaki as well (though to a much lesser degree, if at all), to bring the separatists in on the Federals' side in the war.

Which is what you've been trying to do here, yes?


No. Your understanding of my motivations behind the alliance with the IPI are as lacklustre as your understanding of nearly every other subject.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
No. Your understanding of my motivations behind the alliance with the IPI are as lacklustre as your understanding of nearly every other subject.


Ah, dear me. Such a pity.

You'll excuse me if I don't actually seek your opinion on the motivations involved, Andreus. I might ask Mr. Tafren about it ... though, in the end, it's really none of my business beyond giving Mr. Sylvannathas a clearer understanding of your quality as an informational resource.

My work here is done. Take care, and I'm sure we'll speak again soon.

Nick Bete
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:19:00 - [17]
 

Ah yes, Aria Jenneth the self-appointed "voice of unbiased truth and reason" who loves inserting herself into others' business, muddying the waters and in general being a provocateur. I think Captain Jenneth that you're as enamored of your own voice and words as some accuse Jade Constantine of being.

Be that as it may, how is it that you-- a criminal, murderer, member of a group affiliated with the largest criminal enterprise in the cluster, gets to sit in judgement of others? Am I the only one who feels how incongruous this is?

Sorry, but your heritage doesn't give you a free pass. Sansha Kuvakei was an hugely successful entrepreneur before he became a megalomaniacal mass murderer. That doesn't mean I'll turn to him for business advice.

Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Nick Bete


Be that as it may, how is it that you-- a criminal, murderer, member of a group affiliated with the largest criminal enterprise in the cluster, gets to sit in judgement of others?




Well, for one we tend to be decidedly more honest about it than most; are aren't under any illusions that we are nice people.

If anything that tends to make us more truthful than most...

Sivlar Sylvannathas
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:45:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Sivlar Sylvannathas on 28/06/2011 18:01:37
Ah politics, after being reborn through several lives before becoming a pilot it still gives me a headache.

Personally, all I have ever wanted it the safety and security of the our people and systems. This is why I gave up my spiritual teaching and hopes of ever becoming an Idama to be a pilot and protect our space.

I never have had much of an opinion whether to remain with the Federation, declare an independent Intaki State, or side with the Caldari. I would support any of them depending what would offer the best for our people. Although after reading various past news articles, the actions of the Caldari leave much to be desired and many questions.

It seems a lot can change over 4 years, and sometimes not for the better. The more I read on these threads and in the news, it saddens me to see our situation has not changed much at all. If anything, it seems to be even worse than before.

-Siv

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Nick Bete
Ah yes, Aria Jenneth the self-appointed "voice of unbiased truth and reason" who loves inserting herself into others' business, muddying the waters and in general being a provocateur.


Ah. A fair line of criticism; I'll try to answer as best I can.

I am not unbiased. Though I no longer claim any great loyalty to the State, I still have a terrible time living in non-Caldari stations or flying non-Caldari ships. No matter how long I'm there, and no matter how much effort I put into training to use the equipment of other cultures, it always feels ... alien.

This, and other factors like it, inevitably taint my perspective. It doesn't mean I shouldn't try to see things from other people's point of view; it does, however, mean that I will most likely express views to which I am sympathetic better than views to which I am not.

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I think Captain Jenneth that you're as enamored of your own voice and words as some accuse Jade Constantine of being.


It's possible. I'm a proud creature, Mr. Bete, and it is more difficult to shrug off pride than just to say that you should.

Arrogance is dangerous, and perhaps I will one day suffer for mine. Though in search of wisdom, I remain, at best, a clever fool.

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Be that as it may, how is it that you-- a criminal, murderer, member of a group affiliated with the largest criminal enterprise in the cluster, gets to sit in judgement of others?


Nausea does have a point. At the least, we generally do not suffer overmuch from self-righteousness.

Beyond that....

Qualified to judge the morality of claims and acts, I am probably not, Mr. Bete, at least from a "human" point of view. After all, I am missing a sizable slice of the moral compass the human "me" was born with.

But if you look closely, I think (or hope, at least) that you'll find that, when I judge, it's not morality that I'm judging, if I'm judging at all.

(Andreus, I admittedly judge-- harshly. But not on moral grounds.)

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Am I the only one who feels how incongruous this is?


People speak up about it from time to time. I don't object. It is good to be reminded of what I have lost, even if I no longer care very much. It helps to keep me careful, and mindful of what others see.

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Sorry, but your heritage doesn't give you a free pass.


I don't ask for one.

What my heritage gives me is purpose and dedication. It instructs me to recognize truth when I find it, and to embrace it, never looking away.

If the truth is that I am a demon, that we are all demons, and that it is not within us to be anything else however hard we try, then I will play a demon's part.

Correspondingly, if I am human, then I am bound by the rules of human society. If that is so, I have misunderstood my role, twisted it with my own prideful illusions, and made a wreckage of my life. My best course, then, would be to recognize the shame and sorrow I have brought upon my family, and do some small amount of penance by slitting my own miserable throat.

Probably, though, we're something else. What that is, and whether it can exist, lastingly, in this world, is what I am trying to learn.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:10:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Ah, dear me. Such a pity.

You'll excuse me if I don't actually seek your opinion on the motivations involved, Andreus.


You don't seek my opinion... on my motivations.

Are you quite literally a clinical moron?

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
I might ask Mr. Tafren about it


So you're asking other people about my motivations.

Ah. Well. Question answered, I guess.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:24:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 28/06/2011 20:26:12
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You don't seek my opinion... on my motivations.

Are you quite literally a clinical moron?


Let me answer that question with one of your own recent statements.

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I have the ability to back my arguments up, but I no longer find myself possessing enough respect for you [Aria] to be willing to take the time and effort to elucidate my reasoning. It will be a lot of work for no real gratification.


The first sentence explains why I no longer expect you to explain yourself. The last could easily be my own explanation of my lack of enthusiasm for prying your reasoning out of you.

If you won't volunteer your own motives, I see no reason to chase you for them.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:30:00 - [23]
 

I feel that it should be unneccessary to point this out, but something tells me if I don't explain this to you, you might miss it:

No matter how much they might think of themselves, no-one other than myself is going to be able to give you an accurate illustration of my motivations.

Perhaps if you stopped making stupid assumptions (and, apparently, stopped making stupid decisions), I'd have enough respect to elucidate things that you apparently need elucidating.

Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:41:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sivlar Sylvannathas
Yesterday, I returned after nearly 4 years in deep freeze.
Being gone a while it seems I have missed many events over the years.
-Siv


Siv, It's good to see you again, unfortunately this thread seems to have become rather cluttered. I'd like to invite you to join the ILF channel FREEINTAKI the next time you are able. We'd be more than happy to bring you up to date.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:48:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 28/06/2011 20:50:58
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
No matter how much they might think of themselves, no-one other than myself is going to be able to give you an accurate illustration of my motivations.


Andreus, to be blunt, some perspectives and motives are more interesting than others.

I'm not going to bother.

Mr. Sylvannathas, on the other hand, seems to be someone worth talking to, but it appears that we've driven him off.

... and, in any case, it seems someone's arrived who can bring him up to date properly.

Levi Saul
The EVE Observer
Posted - 2011.06.28 22:02:00 - [26]
 

This is the second sighting of a Placid Reborn pilot that I've had in the last week. Perhaps a resurgence is in the works?

At any rate, you can catch up on some of the recent happenings in and around Placid by checking out the Arcadia News Network.

Sivlar Sylvannathas
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.29 00:43:00 - [27]
 

Ah Mr. Hawke I remember you, very good to see you are still around. I shall drop in next time I am on.

Ms. Jenneth, I am still here. I did reply to the thread but it seems to have got lost and overlooked in the various arguments.

Walk the path of Ida and you will find true enlightenment.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.29 01:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Sivlar Sylvannathas
Ms. Jenneth, I am still here. I did reply to the thread but it seems to have got lost and overlooked in the various arguments.

Walk the path of Ida and you will find true enlightenment.


I did see it, Mr. Sylvannathas, but presumed, erroneously, it seems, that your comments on politics reflected the sort of head-shaking that usually immediately precedes departure.

I apologize for my presumption.

The path of Ida is an interesting faith to me; it seems to have so many similarities to my own Achur beliefs, and yet to differ greatly. I would like to talk with you about your beliefs at some point, if you would be willing.

Sivlar Sylvannathas
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Sivlar Sylvannathas on 30/06/2011 15:47:31
To be quite honest, after spending several days back in space I find BOTH side’s arguments in this conflict irrelevant and without merit.
Neither the Gallente nor Caldari assert any control or ownership over Intaki or its neighboring systems. Just because the systems control bunker says "Gallente" or "Caldari" means absolutely nothing.

Pirates own the systems, and anyone, including all the corps arguing here either cannot or will not do anything about it.
I saw the occasional "Ishuk-Raata" corp. member flying around but one had their ship destroyed and others I saw get chased away under heavy fire from, you guessed it, pirates.

The stance of the Intaki Assembly after the Gallente "liberated" Intaki is also quite a joke, typical ignorant politicians in their true form. There is no protection or security from anyone and almost all trade through Intaki and its neighboring systems is disrupted. I am surprised Ishukone can make any money there with the current situation, almost any trade convoy gets pillaged the minute it enters the systems. Ishukone security forces? They are about as non-existent as CONCORD in Intaki space.

The war is irrelevant to any Intaki wanting a safe and secure home and the “control” each of you think your side has is an illusion. All I see is pirate gate camps, station camps, pirates roving through asteroid belts, scanning down mission runners and a lot of pilots cowering in stations with their tail between their legs.

Pirates are the only ones asserting any type of control. Sorry if my message offends anyone but in my time back so far, that is all I have seen.

-Siv


 

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