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gamblin pete
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:38:00 - [1]
 

Hey folks

I have a player in my corp that keeps claiming he has a titan in w-space. I know this to be impossible under the current rules and wanted to double check that it always has been before I call him on it. The question I have for you is, was it ever possible? could it have once been built in there before the current sov mechanics or was there wormholes that once had the required mass? Are w-space supercaps like highsec caps?

Thanks in advance.

Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:53:00 - [2]
 

AFAIK, there is no WH large enough to fit a super or titan through. Also, you cannot build them in a WH as you need Sov to anchor the appropriate POS module (name?).

You might want to wait for a few more "AFAIK"s before calling him on it tho.

gamblin pete
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:58:00 - [3]
 

That is all true at the moment. I was wanting to double check if it has always been true. Much as you can't build or jump cap ships into highsec but could at one point and some still exist there from that era.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:03:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: gamblin pete
Hey folks

I have a player in my corp that keeps claiming he has a titan in w-space. I know this to be impossible under the current rules and wanted to double check that it always has been before I call him on it. The question I have for you is, was it ever possible? could it have once been built in there before the current sov mechanics or was there wormholes that once had the required mass? Are w-space supercaps like highsec caps?

Thanks in advance.


Supercaps requiring sov came long before there were wormholes. So, it's never been possible to build them in w-space.

And no, no wormhole will allow a supercap through. Even if the total mass allowed is more than the mass of the supercarrier or titan, they won't let that much mass through in one jump.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:36:00 - [5]
 

No Titan or Supercarrier can enter W-Space.

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Val'Dore
No Titan or Supercarrier can enter W-Space.


In theory he could have built one before the sov changes. Sure, it would be stuck in there, but its still possible.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:06:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Cataca
Originally by: Val'Dore
No Titan or Supercarrier can enter W-Space.


In theory he could have built one before the sov changes. Sure, it would be stuck in there, but its still possible.

No, you couldn't have. Sovereignty in wormholes has NEVER been claimable, even with the old rules, and you must have it to use a CSAA.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:09:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Cataca
Originally by: Val'Dore
No Titan or Supercarrier can enter W-Space.


In theory he could have built one before the sov changes. Sure, it would be stuck in there, but its still possible.

No, you couldn't have. Sovereignty in wormholes has NEVER been claimable, even with the old rules, and you must have it to use a CSAA.



Right, because the Sov requirement predates W-space... as previously mentioned.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:17:00 - [9]
 

No, never been possible before to build or get a super cap into w space in any way

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:20:00 - [10]
 

Supercaps occasionally end up docked when their owners don't log on for several months, but I've never heard of a GM moving one to W-space. I think the only way would be for a dev to spawn one there.

Concubinia Scarlett
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:27:00 - [11]
 

Occam's razor.

(He's talking bol**ks.)

Comy 1
Ore Mongers
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:48:00 - [12]
 

This is why i love w-space

I likegirls
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:33:00 - [13]
 

Maybe with the passive module exploit it would have been possible. But, if they found one in there it would definitely be moved out of their/wtf brb'q for using an exploit.

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:38:00 - [14]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Kinda pointless though as they don't escalate the sites and Fighter Bombers can't hit Sleeper BS for s***

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:41:00 - [15]
 

Sensible answer:

There are some wormholes (1.35b per jump) that have enough mass to fit a SC, but they won't let you jump in.

As said above technically it would've been possible for someone to drag a SC from a CSAA and transport it into a wormhole using the recent stacking exploit.

Seetesh
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:46:00 - [16]
 

Kinda pointless though as they don't escalate the sites and Fighter Bombers can't hit Sleeper BS for s***


That image cannot be legit. If it is then its a serious bug/exploit

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:51:00 - [17]
 

Image is legit. Come find the wormhole ID and see for yourself. Very Happy

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Durzel
Image is legit. Come find the wormhole ID and see for yourself. Very Happy


Posting to confirm I'am writting a petition about the 3 players and their corp found in that image for having exploited to bring supercaps into wormhole space.

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:43:00 - [19]
 

OH GOD NOT A PETITION

Seetesh
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:46:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tammarr
Originally by: Durzel
Image is legit. Come find the wormhole ID and see for yourself. Very Happy


Posting to confirm I'am writting a petition about the 3 players and their corp found in that image for having exploited to bring supercaps into wormhole space.



Im going to go with the poster; this is an exploit of game mechanics, i would personally submit a move request for your SC's via petition yourself. As i will also be submitting a petition against it for exploit of game mechanics.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:38:00 - [21]
 

It's on sisi you dumb****s

Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Tammarr
Originally by: Durzel
Image is legit. Come find the wormhole ID and see for yourself. Very Happy


Posting to confirm I'am writting a petition about the 3 players and their corp found in that image for having exploited to bring supercaps into wormhole space.



Posting to confirm that I don't really care about your petition.


Korenchkin
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:26:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tammarr

Posting to confirm I'am writting a petition about the 3 players and their corp found in that image for having exploited to bring supercaps into wormhole space.



Posting to confirm that you can petition all 3 players if you like, but as I'm clearly in a subcap there's jack**** to petition.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.06.29 03:44:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Khors
It's on sisi you dumb****s

Was my guess. The old "moveme" service allowed people to move their ships anywhere. This was changed as many exploited it, especially while in combat.

Fudwap
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:20:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tammarr
Originally by: Durzel
Image is legit. Come find the wormhole ID and see for yourself. Very Happy


Posting to confirm I'am writting a petition about the 3 players and their corp found in that image for having exploited to bring supercaps into wormhole space.

Posting to confirm I'm feeling a bit left out. Sad

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:13:00 - [26]
 

As stated already supercaps have never been able to get into wormholes. A S/C could in theory jump in a wormhole like this one but the game doesn't let you do it. It was tested around the time WHs came out.

Can anyone who manufactures SCs confirm whether they get built in the same way as regular caps, i.e. you "launch" them from the CSAA once they are built? Could you transport them packaged in something that could carry them?

Regards the screenshot - yes, obviously it's SiSi. here's some more proof. CCP guy kindly ported us into the wormhole.

If I did have a SC in a wormhole on TQ I'd hardly post a screenshot of me blatently using it when it would obviously be an exploit would I. Think McFly think! Smile

Korenchkin
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:02:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Khors
It's on sisi you dumb****s

Was my guess. The old "moveme" service allowed people to move their ships anywhere. This was changed as many exploited it, especially while in combat.



Exploit? On an sisi only feature? Who gives a flying ****?

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.02 05:17:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Korenchkin
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Khors
It's on sisi you dumb****s

Was my guess. The old "moveme" service allowed people to move their ships anywhere. This was changed as many exploited it, especially while in combat.


Exploit? On an sisi only feature? Who gives a flying ****?

The devs apparently, as there was so much whining about it that moveme was nerfed into oblivion.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:04:00 - [29]
 

In theory, after you lost your supercap, you could go into wormhole space and wait for it to be reimbursed to you there

If you got the magical GM that does reimburse ****, he's not going to care where you are.

howling wind
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:42:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Patient 2428190
In theory, after you lost your supercap, you could go into wormhole space and wait for it to be reimbursed to you there

If you got the magical GM that does reimburse ****, he's not going to care where you are.


Reimbursed ships are only given in stations, so unless you managed to get an outpost into a WH (Would be awesome to see btw) then your wrong.


 

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