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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:12:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 27/06/2011 17:12:35
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Blane, get angry instead of explaining yourself, it totally helps, give a clear reason why its a bad thing


I explained myself and you failed to understand. It's not my problem if you're an idiot; and I'm certainly not going to hide that fact if you cannot understand something as simple as "If plex have to be consumed to bring an item into the game it cannot truly be bought with only ingame currency and thus is a microtransaction"

Comparing people selling PLEX for ISK pre incarna to people buying PLEX for isk and converting to Aurum post incarna is like comparing a rock to a tree.

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:13:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Frogzuk
nice idea, does one lose the 60 quid pixels on podding ?

that would really sux would it not ...




I don't know, if they loose it awesome, if not we can pod them for ever =)
Whos on the list will not get removed =)

Lusitan Gamara
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:13:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Lusitan Gamara on 27/06/2011 17:14:47
And so begins the "Monocle Wars". This will become the stuff of legends!

PS: Edit for typo.

Kapitan Kartoffelkopf
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:14:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Saint Lazarus

So what exactly is the issue?



No one can show what the issue is, you have to see it for yourself.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:16:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Kapitan Kartoffelkopf
Originally by: Saint Lazarus

So what exactly is the issue?



No one can show what the issue is, you have to see it for yourself.


Through monocle you see all much clearer. Problem is isk farmer who sells isk illegally.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:18:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Bad Messenger

Why are you mad? Are you selling isk?


I'm mad because I don't like being lied to. No, i'm not selling ISK, i'm a 2yo toon who sucks at PVP but likes it too much - do you know how expensive that is?

Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:19:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Edited by: Blane Xero on 27/06/2011 17:12:35
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Blane, get angry instead of explaining yourself, it totally helps, give a clear reason why its a bad thing


I explained myself and you failed to understand. It's not my problem if you're an idiot; and I'm certainly not going to hide that fact if you cannot understand something as simple as "If plex have to be consumed to bring an item into the game it cannot truly be bought with only ingame currency and thus is a microtransaction"

Comparing people selling PLEX for ISK pre incarna to people buying PLEX for isk and converting to Aurum post incarna is like comparing a rock to a tree.


You didnt explain anything you said

"This is bad"

Without ANY coherent reason why.

Wanna calm down long enough to explain why, otherwise yous just going to be ignored. I'd love to hear an explanation, otherwise you appear to just hate MT for no other reason than because its MT and RL money is consumed and look like another idiot emorager.


Florence Valentine
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:21:00 - [98]
 

Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)

Nikki Sanderson
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:23:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Florence Valentine
Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)


Confirming that eve = rl

Also confirming that using color tags makes you not look like an idiot

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:24:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Saint Lazarus

And what is? In game advantage for $? oh wait anything in NeX store can be bought with $ or ISK.

So what exactly is the issue?

Monocles costing too much ISK? Rise in PLEX price? (which is offset by the high ISK price so demand didnt skyrocket) People being morons?



Here ya go,

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

Micro-transaction items require virtually no input from the sandbox to create. For example, a ship magically created removes all the potential game play that the production of that ship would have required from the sandbox.

This removal of game play, of value, is taken from the noob miner to the 0.0 miner, to the can flipper to the hot dropper and his 23 SuperCap friends out on a Sunday afternoon drive. Each micro-transaction created item takes a tiny bit from everyone, as more and more MT items are created, those tiny bits add up until the sandbox has no meaning.

Purely cosmetic vanity items, although they could have an impact on certain aspects of the sandbox, they have a far less value at a mechanical level, and thus, have far less mechanical impact on the sandbox.

Although some argue PLEX is a micro-transaction, this is demonstrably false. The ISK for which that PLEX is sold, was collected by someone in the game doing whatever it is they do. Thy put forth an effort and got a reward of ISK. They then trade that ISK for a PLEX. The guy who sold the PLEX now has the ISK, and the other guy has the PLEX. Nothing was added or removed from the sandbox, except the need for one or both of them to break the EULA. CCP profits and the players profit from PLEX.

The only ones who profit from MTs are CCP, and they do so not only at the expense of the $Cash spender, but of everyone in the game that now no longer has the opportunity to participate in the creation of the MT created items.

MTs are theft.

Haagren
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:24:00 - [101]
 

The idea of monoclegeddon is so awesome, please make it as popular as hulkageddon. But not only for 4 weeks, make it permanent.

But tbh I guess you will be banned, and players who will participate will get temp bans. CCP would never let you ruin their milk mashine.

Also in other games, it would be a gainst ToS, griefing.

VisKerric
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:26:00 - [102]
 

+1 for this. We are stronger in numbers. Suggest posting a list of FC's for H.K. roams. My cane is on standby :)

Florence Valentine
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:29:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Nikki Sanderson
Originally by: Florence Valentine
Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)


Confirming that eve = rl

Also confirming that using color tags makes you not look like an idiot


It got your attention, and you replied, making my beautiful colours cover more of your screen.

Any yes rl = EVE, especially when spiteful people bring spitefulness to a computer game.

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:29:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 27/06/2011 17:31:06
Originally by: Haagren
The idea of monoclegeddon is so awesome, please make it as popular as hulkageddon. But not only for 4 weeks, make it permanent.

But tbh I guess you will be banned, and players who will participate will get temp bans. CCP would never let you ruin their milk mashine.

Also in other games, it would be a gainst ToS, griefing.


Not sure why i should get banned, i am just providing a web platform, for everyone to wlook out for certain people, and suicide gank them, nothing different with hulkageddon.

If it is against the terms of service, may a quilified person (DEV) explain this to us all.
as i know, griefing is a welcome style of playing eve.

TL:DR -> ****s get's blown up, good for the economy.

Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:34:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

Micro-transaction items require virtually no input from the sandbox to create. For example, a ship magically created removes all the potential game play that the production of that ship would have required from the sandbox.

This removal of game play, of value, is taken from the noob miner to the 0.0 miner, to the can flipper to the hot dropper and his 23 SuperCap friends out on a Sunday afternoon drive. Each micro-transaction created item takes a tiny bit from everyone, as more and more MT items are created, those tiny bits add up until the sandbox has no meaning.

Purely cosmetic vanity items, although they could have an impact on certain aspects of the sandbox, they have a far less value at a mechanical level, and thus, have far less mechanical impact on the sandbox.

Although some argue PLEX is a micro-transaction, this is demonstrably false. The ISK for which that PLEX is sold, was collected by someone in the game doing whatever it is they do. Thy put forth an effort and got a reward of ISK. They then trade that ISK for a PLEX. The guy who sold the PLEX now has the ISK, and the other guy has the PLEX. Nothing was added or removed from the sandbox, except the need for one or both of them to break the EULA. CCP profits and the players profit from PLEX.

The only ones who profit from MTs are CCP, and they do so not only at the expense of the $Cash spender, but of everyone in the game that now no longer has the opportunity to participate in the creation of the MT created items.

MTs are theft.


And if AUR items only buy you the BPC and has to be built just like a faction ship how does it make an AUR bought item differ from a faction one?

Its a flawed argument, the ships would be so expensive they wouldnt impact the t1/t2 industry anymore than faction/officer mods affect it. If their price was on par with tournament prizes you'd almost never seen them.


Especially considering warfare in EvE is all about ISK efficiency, you lose one AUR bought ship in a fleet the t1 BS fleet you just fought wins.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:35:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Originally by: Bad Messenger

Why are you mad? Are you selling isk?


I'm mad because I don't like being lied to. No, i'm not selling ISK, i'm a 2yo toon who sucks at PVP but likes it too much - do you know how expensive that is?


Yes, i've done some pvp too. But if isk is problem and preventing your pvp , you should join corp like draketrain which has 100% reimbursement policy on fleet ops.

Frogsinspace
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:36:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Florence Valentine
Originally by: Nikki Sanderson
Originally by: Florence Valentine
Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)


Confirming that eve = rl

Also confirming that using color tags makes you not look like an idiot


It got your attention, and you replied, making my beautiful colours cover more of your screen.

Any yes rl = EVE, especially when spiteful people bring spitefulness to a computer game.


You haven't been playing EVE long then have you?

Everyone who buys fancy stuff gets ganked.

I noticed you said EVE was real life, but then said it was a computer game, please enlighten me as to which it is before i got and jump on some turtles and rescue a princess from a gorilla.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:44:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 27/06/2011 17:44:56
Originally by: Lusitan Gamara
And so begins the "Monocle Wars". This will become the stuff of legends!.

hum seems a bit to easy xD

last news : PL have been hired by the monocle lobby ; they will have be wearing monocles and defend their cause ! Laughing

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:46:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 27/06/2011 17:44:56
Originally by: Lusitan Gamara
And so begins the "Monocle Wars". This will become the stuff of legends!.

hum seems a bit to easy xD

last news : PL have been hired by the monocle lobby ; they will have be wearing monocles and defend their cause ! Laughing


looooool
can't wait to scam some of them
"i'll give you 500 mil if you remove me from the list"
"ok"
"i'm still on the list"
"i know"

Shouldnt Ofdidthat
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:50:00 - [110]
 

I have been lurking the forums since I started playing about a year ago. This will be my only post. I have already decided that my 3 accounts will not be renewed in August. Until they expire I plan to liquidate and spend it all on suicide ganks in high sec. I will befriend new players (will be looking for first day players) and then pod them.

All my other plans seem futile with what has been started with the AUR rollout.

I am doing this because the introduction of new currency in the game will eventually be used to bypass the in-game mechanics and provide a cash leveling ability, thus destroying the concepts here that attracted me in the first place.

Thank you, live long, prosper

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:51:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Shouldnt Ofdidthat
I have been lurking the forums since I started playing about a year ago. This will be my only post. I have already decided that my 3 accounts will not be renewed in August. Until they expire I plan to liquidate and spend it all on suicide ganks in high sec. I will befriend new players (will be looking for first day players) and then pod them.

All my other plans seem futile with what has been started with the AUR rollout.

I am doing this because the introduction of new currency in the game will eventually be used to bypass the in-game mechanics and provide a cash leveling ability, thus destroying the concepts here that attracted me in the first place.

Thank you, live long, prosper


Lol you're a ******.

Henrica Gaufridus
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:52:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: The BlackDog
I'm buying a monocle and forming an exclusive monocle wearers only corp.

This thread is now about corp name suggestions please, thx.


How about "Idiots With Too Much Money"?

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:53:00 - [113]
 

Should be fun.

SasRipper
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:56:00 - [114]
 

Just reamber why we are fighting! Watch my vid in sig investing the monocle!

Florence Valentine
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:59:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Frogsinspace
Originally by: Florence Valentine
Originally by: Nikki Sanderson
Originally by: Florence Valentine
Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)


Confirming that eve = rl

Also confirming that using color tags makes you not look like an idiot


It got your attention, and you replied, making my beautiful colours cover more of your screen.

Any yes rl = EVE, especially when spiteful people bring spitefulness to a computer game.


You haven't been playing EVE long then have you?

Everyone who buys fancy stuff gets ganked.

I noticed you said EVE was real life, but then said it was a computer game, please enlighten me as to which it is before i got and jump on some turtles and rescue a princess from a gorilla.


You misunderstand me.

If RL people bring their baggage from RL into the game, then that RL baggage exists in the game too.

But of course the converse can be true. I wouldn't set fire to someone cus they are wearing clothees I cannot afford myself, but why do I feel that it is ok to do the same in a game. Oh but wait, "it's only a game" I hear you say - sure, but these arn't NPC your offending, they are real people. But it's ok because I can act like an idiot because the game gives me annoyminity.

It is said that the things you say and do while under the influence of alcohol reveals your true beliefs. Well I would say the same of people who hide behind their avatars, and it's pretty ugly.

Why the mini rant? Well I think that some of the angst and abuse hurled at CCP has been appalling, and the idea of monoclegeddon is just an expression of that bad feeling. And it is pretty obvious that if we weren't all hiding behind the anoyminity of an avatar, then we wouldn't be behaving like this. It is really two faced and cowardly.

DaRuLe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:04:00 - [116]
 

With several billion ISK why the hell not, not me but others might.
I do think it's not properly rendered though.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:06:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Saint Lazarus
You didnt explain anything you said

"This is bad"

Without ANY coherent reason why.

Wanna calm down long enough to explain why, otherwise yous just going to be ignored. I'd love to hear an explanation, otherwise you appear to just hate MT for no other reason than because its MT and RL money is consumed and look like another idiot emorager.


If you need someone to sit you down, and explain point by point why Microtransactions are ****ing horrible, and are slowly killing off intelligent development then you're even more clueless than I originally gave you credit for.

Yes, I'm purely and entirely against microtransactions. Why? Because time spent developing anything you're charging more money for could be time spent developing content for the game you're already charging a subscription for. And don't give me the age-old "Developers of X don't do Y" because it does not apply to content vs content.

Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:08:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Saint Lazarus on 27/06/2011 18:09:38
Edited by: Saint Lazarus on 27/06/2011 18:09:17
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
You didnt explain anything you said

"This is bad"

Without ANY coherent reason why.

Wanna calm down long enough to explain why, otherwise yous just going to be ignored. I'd love to hear an explanation, otherwise you appear to just hate MT for no other reason than because its MT and RL money is consumed and look like another idiot emorager.


If you need someone to sit you down, and explain point by point why Microtransactions are ****ing horrible, and are slowly killing off intelligent development then you're even more clueless than I originally gave you credit for.

Yes, I'm purely and entirely against microtransactions. Why? Because time spent developing anything you're charging more money for could be time spent developing content for the game you're already charging a subscription for. And don't give me the age-old "Developers of X don't do Y" because it does not apply to content vs content.



If you continue to spout

MT IS BAD YOU'RE AN IDIOT RABBLE RABBLE

your point, whatever it may be will be continued to be ignored.


Edit: For crystal clear clarification, in game examples of negative gameplay effects, lets assume for now CCP will moniter PLEX prices so they dont spiral out of control.

Jax Mones
Barr Heavy Industries
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:19:00 - [119]
 

i'm so bad at eve, that i need a monocle to feel good about myself :/

Daokao
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:19:00 - [120]
 

The following people have Monocles, please add them to your list, OP:

Kurth Ren
Halastar Blackcloak


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