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Rex Liberium
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:39:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
Originally by: Aderata Nonkin
+1 to OP for a well-written post.

I have always been supportive of CCP and been called "fan-boi" and troll when I've defended them to the teeth.

The latest revelations, however, have made my support dwindle and the sheer arrogance portraied in the latest blogs and leaked mails and newletters have not helped CCP's cause.

They need to catch lightning in a bottle to turn this sinking ship, because for the first time in many years I actually think it's becoming pointless to invest any further effort and time into this game. The playerbase have asked on countless occasions about MT and whether it will feature game-enhancing products.

A simple "hell no!" would suffice, yet, they're silent and have already posted two blogs that don't address the issue but only served to infect the problem even further.


Thanks. And you make a good, valid point. Its not uncommon for devs to be silent about an issue while they are still hashing things out. They will break their silence when they are prepared to give the answer - and I think its fair to say we shouldn't jump to conclusions about what direction they are headed based on second hand information.

When it comes to game-changing items, I think CCP is smart enough to not make a decision that will ruin the game that they created and envisioned. If a player can 'win' the game because they happen to be rich or well-off in real life then that's not a game/challenge at all and I'm certain that CCP realizes that.

So if they 'do' add some in-game items to MT, it will most definitely be affordable to many veteran players and virtually all alliances via converted ISK - and it probably won't be any better than or even close to what's currently available in the game. Again, just being reasonable.

If they wanted to, they could have made plenty of changes (at any point in time) to make the game easier and yield to the status quo (Warcraft in Space) in order to increase their subscription base. But they did not - they opted for the player experience (of the players they already had).



Hopefully the people left when MT hits will be enought to support EVE, I mean the development of WOD and DUST.

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:45:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
I understand that, in general, people do not like 'change'. The "leaked" rumors could also pose a potential threat or significant change. But I cannot understand why there are those who have very little faith in CCP?

Because of that very "potential threat" and "significant change" you mention which they always implied - never unequivocally stated - would never happen. Because when asked to STATE if this will ever happen we get evasion, and answers to things which were never an issue in the first place in order to hide that evasion.

P's evasions and dissembling are speaking a lot louder than their words.

Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
I understand that, in general, people do not like 'change'. The "leaked" rumors could also pose a potential threat or significant change. But I cannot understand why there are those who have very little faith in CCP?


We have had faith for years, even when they add pretty much nothing to Eve and focus on Dust and WoD instead. If some people thing it's enough with BS, then they will have to say so.

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Afterall, this whole idea of EVE was CCP's idea in the first place - and we choose to play this game not because of a lack of other options (there are plenty), but because the game is actually fun. CCP has done an outstanding job over the past 8 years, and in my opinion EVE has 'proven' to be the best sci-fi offering in the MMO market. period.



Most would agree a week ago. This is the best game, period. But the plan for future Eve is something many see as a joke. They have done an outstanding job. It isn't the past people are worried about. it is the future and the changed mentality in CCP.

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There will always be a rumor-mill, there will always be choices that CCP must make with the data they have available (and we cannot see as players), and I am more than certain that CCP has evaluated tons of different ideas that we, as the players, will either never know about or don't 'need' to know about.



Come on. When you have it in the newsletter then it is on the table. Only an utter moron would debate things that is not considered for the near future. It would be idiotic to plant these thoughts in the minds of the workers at CCP, to start promoting thoughts about RMT, if it would just be talk. It would cause far more harm then good. It is inevitable that more then a few who work there would still be loyal to the original vision of Eve as well as the player base.

Of course we do not know. CCP has chosen it to work that way. They have told us nothing even if CSM is perfect for that. Instead they discuss things behind our backs and trust that our loyalty proven over the years, combined with our love and addiction of old Eve, will let them change Eve into something they themselves didn't believe in simply because they f*cked up and spent money from Eve to pay for 2 other games and now it causes them problem.

In the case of RMT it isn't about what we need to know as much as that they know we would never tolerate it so they don't tell us.

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So, the whole leaked document business is a total waste of time - IF it is 100% genuine and it is LEAKED.. that means that CCP did not release it intentionally. So, if they haven't implemented these ideas and they didn't release this information.. then why do they owe us an explanation for it?



If the news letter is just a forum for insane ideas that never gets implemented then I would like CCP to upload all news letters so we can see that for ourselves. It isn't just some important guys chatting wild ideas. They are trying to sell it to their own so they can implement it.

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Micro-transactions are a worthwhile venture. There are many offerings out there that survive solely based on micro-transactions. They currently do not affect gameplay and CCP did not mention any plans to offer any game changing items in the future.



Currently they do not affect gameplay. However... Fearless has proven that they are pondering how and if they can expand it to include everything. They don't have any plans yet, they are just figuring out how to forumalte a plan that works without an uproar.

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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:10:00 - [34]
 

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Some say the prices are outrageous. Well, in regards to the virtual store and 'supply and demand', there is an infinite supply which leaves the demand only. Since they are vanity items, the only demand is really the 'cool' factor. If the price of an item makes it available to only a small percentage, then it becomes a rarity and retains its coolness.



I didn't even care about MT for vanity nor the prices until it became obvious that non-vanity may come. Now it annoys me, especially when it is defended. They made an expansion that pretty much is the MT shop, and it is directed aat a small percentage to the players... What kind of expansion is that!? Should they not try to make expansions that most players can use, or at least as many as possible?

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Also, keep in mind that CCP has not charged any additional monies for the expansions they have released over the years. Whereas to get started in some other games, you don't simply pay $20 - you pay for every expansion to current they have released on top of the monthly subscription fee. You also might have to pay $30 here or $20 there for a character transfer or a faction change if you so choose, etc.



That is good. I like that alot. It makes people stay and let the old community grow. It adds to the community that older players don't abandon it. Hopefully they continue with that and realize that it is one of Eve's real strengths to attract players who are here for the long run instead of having MT kiddies.

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CCP is not as large as some of the juggernaut companies out there who only 'do' care about hoarding your money, but at the same time they are a business and they need to 'grow' and 'expand'.



Why do they need to grow? Is it in the secret corporate manual that you must aim to grow to an juggernaut instead of just doing really well and create the best game internet has to offer? I do think it is great if they grow, I have preached plenty about CCP to others, but right now they are IMO pondering if they can sacrifice what made Eve Eve so they can grow faster and become that juggenaut.

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Right now it appears that they are doing just that with all of the different opportunities they have sanctioned. Yet, they have provided you with entertainment for all these years and you are not supportive of them in return? If you call yourself a fan, you must have faith in the very company that you claim to be a fan of.



Most players have had plenty of faith and loyalty. Even those of us that are upset are still loyal and hope to find out that our nightmare visions are false. I call myself a fan, I have proven it by making other play Eve and spoken well about CCP to everyone. I have proven it by having multiple accounts active, even when idle, and buying some Eve stuff. Why does CCP so obviously place no value on those things? Can't I worry that they might destroy what I love? Must I be a stupid sheep to be called a fan?

In the past when players went inactive they still preached the gospel of Eve, they still defended CCP even if they needed a break or was just tired of Eve for the time being. I don't see we will see this in the future, which is sad. That has been an amazing strength CCP had and now it may be lost. If they feel like you then I guess they don't even care much that they will be flamed and ridiculed as long as those who remain just have faith and shut up.

Sub Prime
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:22:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
I am not a CCP alt, I am a new EVE player.


Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
CCP has done an outstanding job over the past 8 years, and in my opinion EVE has 'proven' to be the best sci-fi offering in the MMO market. period.


Sorry, but on one hand you say you're a new player and on the other praise how well CCP have done over 8 years. I smell a rat!!!

Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:23:00 - [36]
 

I must add that the problem CCP has now is not that they have a lot of non-fans leaving (or pondering to) the game. The problem is that many are diehard fans.

Tahir ul-Batin
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:27:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Ra Vhim
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Most players have had plenty of faith and loyalty. Even those of us that are upset are still loyal and hope to find out that our nightmare visions are false. I call myself a fan, I have proven it by making other play Eve and spoken well about CCP to everyone. I have proven it by having multiple accounts active, even when idle, and buying some Eve stuff. Why does CCP so obviously place no value on those things? Can't I worry that they might destroy what I love? Must I be a stupid sheep to be called a fan?

In the past when players went inactive they still preached the gospel of Eve, they still defended CCP even if they needed a break or was just tired of Eve for the time being. I don't see we will see this in the future, which is sad. That has been an amazing strength CCP had and now it may be lost. If they feel like you then I guess they don't even care much that they will be flamed and ridiculed as long as those who remain just have faith and shut up.


We have the right to worry. It is not a matter of being a sheep. It is more so a matter of let's have some patience and wait to see what they will do. We should not 'just accept' whatever it is they intend on doing - but we should try to understand and at least 'know' what they intend to do before jumping to conclusions.

Once we have that information and have been able to assess exactly 'how much' (if at all) this will really affect us, then maybe that will be the time of judgement. I am suggesting that we, as fans, take into consideration that CCP just 'might' know what they are doing.

And kudos to you for being such a loyal fan.

Tahir ul-Batin
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:34:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Sub Prime
Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
I am not a CCP alt, I am a new EVE player.


Originally by: Tahir ul-Batin
CCP has done an outstanding job over the past 8 years, and in my opinion EVE has 'proven' to be the best sci-fi offering in the MMO market. period.


Sorry, but on one hand you say you're a new player and on the other praise how well CCP have done over 8 years. I smell a rat!!!



You are free to smell as you wish.


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