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Shoot2kilI
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:32:00 - [31]
 

So, this is how far we've fallen as a community. The same stereo-typical bull**** that has enveloped and subsequently squashed every previously failed community venture. I see some of you in here sperging about MB being an elitist for being in null-sec / TEST (where I can assure you we deal very appropriately with elitist attitudes (read: S&L)) yet not once does even remotely mention that being in TEST or being in null-sec makes him right. Some of you kids in here replying on this thread are the same ****bags who were demanding, just weeks ago, that flaming for an opinon, as MB's post is, was wrong. Well, my fellow forum-warrioring ***gotry-enducing small****s, let me point out a few key facts:

1) No matter how much you try to rationalize that PLEX goes into the market (as the vanity items currently do, a fact that people conveniently keep forgetting - meaning that other aurum purchased items would likely do the same thing) therefore it's not a game changing alteration, you're dead wrong. Someone who has an extra $2000 to spend on a PLEX (because they chose not to buy those one jeans..) will absolutely have an advantage over someone who doesn't. They can buy a character, capital/supercap, etc. Something that MOST players cannot do.

2) Character attacks around here seem to be the coolest little trend lately. First it was on soundwave, and then other CCP employee's, all over something that has been CONFIRMED by the same mofo you guys were flaming, is not coming to Eve. While I dislike Soundwave's opinion on the MT aspect involved in Eve, the absolute ridiculousness of sperging ***gotry on this board that has risen in the wake of this is absolutely ludicrous. I've been in several arguments in these threads where people had absolutely no idea what they were talking about, but they were so caught up in the mob aspect because there friends were doing it, that they didn't care.

3) Ya'll keep saying you want Eve to be like it was. Well what changed? Other than CQ (which should have had MUCH more testing to ensure people did not lose hardware the way they did) what has changed? Vanity items? Are people really that angry about vanity items? It's been confirmed that the "gold-ammo" does not have a place in Eve. Period.

The last few days, CCP has made a myriad of mistakes. They did not time a quick response to the turmoil of the forum, that I blame on them. I blame the hardware destruction and the resource-hogginess of Incarna on them. But for ****s sake, they are attempting to fix it now by calling in the CSM, the organization that all of you forum-warrioring douchebags appointed, to help them more aptly realize what the problem is. Freedom of speech is fine and dandy, and so is protesting, but cluttering up the forum with hateful, malicious, and overall unintelligent drivel is not how CCP is going to get back in touch with it's playerbase.

9/10 of the people in these threads *****ing, are relatively unaffected by the events of the past few days. The people that SHOULd be angry (still) are carrier pilots (drones are a ****ing mess with CQ), people who had hardware malfunctions due to Incarna, and that's it. Hilmar's letter, to me, was also a slap in the face, but if you think for one second that by flaming your fellow players, and people like zulu, is going to fix that, you're as out of touch as he is, and when/if he goes, I too hope that you do, because you are just as big a part of the problem as he is, you're just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Byshop Kayl
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Pubbie scum
All I see in this thread are a bunch of kids having temper tantrums.

Perhaps.

Originally by: Pubbie scum
Ad hominem attacks are not valid arguments, then again I'm not sure if they teach that in middle school.


This is actually in itself not a valid argument. argumentum ad hominem is usually considered a logical fallacy, however this is not always the case as a persons character or motive can be relevant and legitimate when considering or debating their argument.

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:34:00 - [33]
 

[insert stigma here]

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:40:00 - [34]
 

I really liked your appearances on AT9 and on that alliance panel thing at fanfest. You're a very funny and clever guy.

I'm not too crazy about this transparent buttlicking, but if it works for you, gl with that.

1. A very specific statement about 'gold ammo' in no way resolves the MT for new gameplay affecting items question. A broad statement is required.

2. PLEX is a gameplay affecting MT, true. But it benefits (almost) everybody (by letting dedicated players play for a lower cost or even free in some cases,) not just CCP. It also helps fight RMT. It was an imperfect compromise that the players accepted. This cash shop is completely different. It will ultimately lead to everybody paying MORE or simply not being competitive. It wouldn't surprise me if the next planned step is to phase out PLEX completely.

Finian Mallow
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:42:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Finian Mallow on 27/06/2011 01:43:21
Edited by: Finian Mallow on 27/06/2011 01:42:58
Originally by: Vernn Miller
tl;dr - MB3 is showcasing his skills at crowd control in order to get hired at CCP


Well when the masses revolt, giv'em a representative that sorta says the same thing as them except for the main part (see non-Vanity insta charge your cc and poof P2W items ) and hijack half of them, ignore the other, give the guy a hefty sum and continue with own agenda. Yep Governments do it all the time why the hell not CCP.
What you just said wouldn't surprise me and it kinda hurts his credibility cos it's comming from someone in the same alliance.

I hope you get the job MB3.. i heard reviews weren't so nice:

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

2.4/5 tsk tsk tsk

Radjaw
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:43:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
I really liked your appearances on AT9 and on that alliance panel thing at fanfest. You're a very funny and clever guy.

I'm not too crazy about this transparent buttlicking, but if it works for you, gl with that.

1. A very specific statement about 'gold ammo' in no way resolves the MT for new gameplay affecting items question. A broad statement is required.

2. PLEX is a gameplay affecting MT, true. But it benefits (almost) everybody (by letting dedicated players play for a lower cost or even free in some cases,) not just CCP. It also helps fight RMT. It was an imperfect compromise that the players accepted. This cash shop is completely different. It will ultimately lead to everybody paying MORE or simply not being competitive. It wouldn't surprise me if the next planned step is to phase out PLEX completely.

Your lips are very supple and pouty in your portrait. Well done, you little minx.

What were we talking about?

Evil Stare
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:43:00 - [37]
 

I'm mainly interested on how the "young" would be prepared. Are we talking roasted with a Orange Molasses Sauce or baked with an apple dressing?

Handsom Dan
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:46:00 - [38]
 

I'd also be interested in preparation of said "young". What sort of side would we be having, and what wine would go well with such a dish?

Byshop Kayl
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:47:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Evil Stare
I'm mainly interested on how the "young" would be prepared. Are we talking roasted with a Orange Molasses Sauce or baked with an apple dressing?


"...although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs."

--Jonathon Swift, "A Modest Proposal"

Handsom Dan
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:48:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
I really liked your appearances on AT9 and on that alliance panel thing at fanfest. You're a very funny and clever guy.

I'm not too crazy about this transparent buttlicking, but if it works for you, gl with that.

1. A very specific statement about 'gold ammo' in no way resolves the MT for new gameplay affecting items question. A broad statement is required.

2. PLEX is a gameplay affecting MT, true. But it benefits (almost) everybody (by letting dedicated players play for a lower cost or even free in some cases,) not just CCP. It also helps fight RMT. It was an imperfect compromise that the players accepted. This cash shop is completely different. It will ultimately lead to everybody paying MORE or simply not being competitive. It wouldn't surprise me if the next planned step is to phase out PLEX completely.


You have the ugliest avatar I've ever seen... just saying.Laughing

Psyentific
Caldari
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:12:00 - [41]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

^CCP^

Okay, seriously. Quit freaking out. Quit flipping your ****. You all need to calm the **** down. OP has it right, everyone else is durhurdurhurdur Microtransactions = bad.

Seriously.

If CCP introduces Ships for Aurum, or Ammo for Aurum, or (Heaven forbid) BPOs for Aurum, THEN it's okay to flip cars and riot. Hell, I'll be doing that. As it is now, you're all just mad. So mad.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:42:00 - [42]
 

For more publications in the same vein as the Fearless newsletter, try out this publication which should be winning a Pulitzer prize, assuming the judges don't do something silly like run off a cliff.

Re: 2) There is no way for CCP to preemptively determine whether or not your video card will be fried due to your bodgy attempt at overclocking it without a proper heatsink or cooling.

Re: 3) If the Noble Exchange starts offering things that everyone can afford, why would anyone shop there?

Re: 4) CCP didn't say anything about "silver ammo". And surely, amazing graphics for a cynosural field is pure vanity and not game breaking at all?


Yes, CCP is a business, it is in the business of making games. If they were in the business of making money, they'd be a bank. But not an Icelandic one.

I agree that PLEX is paying to win. When someone buys a PLEX and sell it to me for ISK, I win. I play the playstyle I like, and I get to play for free because some loser needs to buy his way into ships and ammo to fly around and get it blown up by other people who earned their way into ships and ammo. If that same person just throws money at CCP to get stuff, I lose twice. First I have to actually pay real money for my subscription, second I don't make ISK from ships and ammo I'm not selling.

As for people cancelling, the best way to cancel is to liquidate all their assets and donate to VV's PLEX for Good investment fund. That is real money that will leave CCP's coffers. Use charity to cause harm!

I have been negatively impacted by this expansion since my computer can no longer run EVE. Until the Incarna patch, I thought my video card supported SM3.0 but it turns out the drivers for this archaic card do not enable that functionality (probably to avoid burning out the chipset). One of my computers is capable of running EVE to the point that I can just barely play the game, and I'll hobble along on that until my next planned upgrade (new iMacs first half of 2012).

As for this ruckus about microtransactions, it has to happen so that CCP will realise just how seriously the playerbase is taking it. CCP needs to give some message to the players about the future of the NeX and what products they plan introducing through it.

kestrael nanahara
Caldari
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:45:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
For more publications in the same vein as the Fearless newsletter, try out this publication which should be winning a Pulitzer prize, assuming the judges don't do something silly like run off a cliff.

Re: 2) There is no way for CCP to preemptively determine whether or not your video card will be fried due to your bodgy attempt at overclocking it without a proper heatsink or cooling.

Re: 3) If the Noble Exchange starts offering things that everyone can afford, why would anyone shop there?

Re: 4) CCP didn't say anything about "silver ammo". And surely, amazing graphics for a cynosural field is pure vanity and not game breaking at all?



I seriously have no idea what you are saying lol I cant even tell if you are a fainboi ccp alt or not.

Tez Saurus
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:48:00 - [44]
 

Some mad-as-hell pubbies up in here.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:56:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
I agree that PLEX is paying to win. When someone buys a PLEX and sell it to me for ISK, I win. I play the playstyle I like, and I get to play for free because some loser needs to buy his way into ships and ammo to fly around and get it blown up by other people who earned their way into ships and ammo. If that same person just throws money at CCP to get stuff, I lose twice. First I have to actually pay real money for my subscription, second I don't make ISK from ships and ammo I'm not selling.



Thank-you. I've been waiting all week for someone to concisely articulate this distinction.

Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:57:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Shoot2kilI


1) No matter how much you try to rationalize that PLEX goes into the market (as the vanity items currently do, a fact that people conveniently keep forgetting - meaning that other aurum purchased items would likely do the same thing) therefore it's not a game changing alteration, you're dead wrong. Someone who has an extra $2000 to spend on a PLEX (because they chose not to buy those one jeans..) will absolutely have an advantage over someone who doesn't. They can buy a character, capital/supercap, etc. Something that MOST players cannot do.



Confirming a lack of understanding of economics in general, and the Eve market in particular, as also demonstrated on /r/dreddit. I hope that the market side of TEST is a little more clueful, because logistics is important in this game, at least for now.

Originally by: Shoot2kilI

2) Character attacks around here seem to be the coolest little trend lately.



You're right. They don't contribute to the discussion at all, and work against making any point. In fact, when I see direct insults, I'm embarrassed for those that the poster is supporting.

Originally by: Shoot2kilI

the absolute ridiculousness of sperging ***gotry on this board that has risen in the wake of this is absolutely ludicrous.



Originally by: Shoot2kilI

they are attempting to fix it now by calling in the CSM, the organization that all of you forum-warrioring douchebags appointed



Oh, dear.

Zarcan
Caldari
The Yellow Eye
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:02:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Stopped reading at protesting pubbies. You elitest ****. You think you're better than everyone else because you live in null give me a break your a ****head just like the others who think that. Yeah and you were the ***** from the AT save your elitest bull**** for people who care you dumb****.


Posts like this do nothing but support your point, TS. I'm in the same boat as you, and I agree with your points. Honestly I'm pretty worried about the load on my graphics card; the station rendering is a system resource hog that almost sent me to newegg. I had to de-overclock my factory overclocked card in order for my computer to not overheat. My GPU was a 98C the first time I launched the station.

Anyway. The bottom line as I have observed are that a lot of people who play this game are angry, immature MMO addicts. Eve is not my life thus I don't freak out about this. I do see the pay-to-win as a disservice to the community, as I actually went back to EVE in view of the greed in the Xbox community (crappy sequels upon crappy sequels), and came back to this AUR system... it's a disappointment, but I feel that CCP has a solid head on their shoulders and will make the right decision at their emergency meeting on the 30th and 1st.

Honestly, players. Calm down. I wish you guys were as passionate about real-world politics as you are concerned about a fantasy video game.

Radjaw
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:08:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Zarcan
Honestly I'm pretty worried about the load on my graphics card

You should probably work on your aim then.

SlinkySnicket
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:09:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Radjaw
Originally by: Zarcan
Honestly I'm pretty worried about the load on my graphics card

You should probably work on your aim then.


Oh its funny cause the word 'load' can also be used in reference to a sexual function, hilarious

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:10:00 - [50]
 

I was going to write serious post in this thread, but then a realized how rock-**** stupid the EVE community is.

Instead, hey everybody, look at my monocle.

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:11:00 - [51]
 

I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?

Radjaw
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:11:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: SlinkySnicket
Originally by: Radjaw
Originally by: Zarcan
Honestly I'm pretty worried about the load on my graphics card

You should probably work on your aim then.


Oh its funny cause the word 'load' can also be used in reference to a sexual function, hilarious

Woah, pal. I was talking about minimizing projectile weaponry, in order to prevent graphics lag. What kind of sicko are you? Seriously.

Zeg Quul
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:11:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
I was going to write serious post in this thread, but then a realized how rock-**** stupid the EVE community is.

Instead, hey everybody, look at my monocle.


10/10


Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:12:00 - [54]
 

i would pay 1000 aur to eat a minmatar baby.

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:15:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?


OH HERE WE GO.

Okay, you mongoloid. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to explain to you in very simple terms what the devblog means.

When they use the quotes around "gold ammo" they're referring to the talking point being used. That talking point is that non-vanity MT items are coming to EVE, which has been commonly referred to as "gold ammo". They are saying no such thing is occurring. They have made reference to the common term being used.

You are seriously an idiot. Please look back and re-evaluate your life, and please consider taking some basic classes on communication as you apparently don't understand the use of narrative rather than speaking literally at all times.

Get out.

Juris Macto
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:24:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Juris Macto on 27/06/2011 03:25:56
Originally by: Mara Rinn
For more publications in the same vein as the Fearless newsletter, try out this publication which should be winning a Pulitzer prize, assuming the judges don't do something silly like run off a cliff.

Re: 2) There is no way for CCP to preemptively determine whether or not your video card will be fried due to your bodgy attempt at overclocking it without a proper heatsink or cooling.

Re: 3) If the Noble Exchange starts offering things that everyone can afford, why would anyone shop there?

Re: 4) CCP didn't say anything about "silver ammo". And surely, amazing graphics for a cynosural field is pure vanity and not game breaking at all?

Yes, CCP is a business, it is in the business of making games. If they were in the business of making money, they'd be a bank. But not an Icelandic one.

As for people cancelling, the best way to cancel is to liquidate all their assets and donate to VV's PLEX for Good investment fund. That is real money that will leave CCP's coffers. Use charity to cause harm!

I have been negatively impacted by this expansion since my computer can no longer run EVE. Until the Incarna patch, I thought my video card supported SM3.0 but it turns out the drivers for this archaic card do not enable that functionality (probably to avoid burning out the chipset). One of my computers is capable of running EVE to the point that I can just barely play the game, and I'll hobble along on that until my next planned upgrade (new iMacs first half of 2012).

As for this ruckus about microtransactions, it has to happen so that CCP will realise just how seriously the playerbase is taking it. CCP needs to give some message to the players about the future of the NeX and what products they plan introducing through it.




Thank you for making one of the few rational responses to this that I have seen. You give me hope for those who see a problem and are just unable to formulate a coherent response.

Now for those who have decided to unsub/turn off auto-repeat payments for no valid reason (as in your computer is no longer able to support Eve), if you look into a history book, you will see that the Great Depression became "great" because a vast number of people decided to sell off stocks after seeing a slight dip in their prices, rather than holding onto their stocks, an action that would have kept the market afloat....See any parallels here?

For those of you who hate economics/history, I give you the storm principle. Back in the days in which sailing ships only had sails, whenever a storm was encountered, you didn't run from the storm. Why, you ask? Because that was a good way to sink your ship. Instead, they turned into the storm, dropped anchor, and waited the storm out....again, see any parallels?

Rather than trying to fix what you see as the problem through a method that is beneficial, you seem to want the "nation", the "ship", that is Eve Online to founder by jumping ship before the **** has truly hit the fan. To you people, running before the storm, I say man up, see what is going to happen next before you ruin this game for the rest of us.

Myself, I dislike nearly every other aspect of this latest installment, but I am sticking around. Why? Because I enjoy being able to do nearly whatever I want to in this game. Good luck finding that elsewhere.

tl;dr Don't ruin Eve for the rest of us by bailing before anything truly bad has happened. Stick around and see what happens. If you still hate the way things are after you give CCP a chance...go about it in the way mentioned above, sell off your assets and donate the isk/plexes to Plex for Good.

Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:27:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr

Okay, you mongoloid.



Originally by: DurrHurrDurr

You are seriously an idiot. Please look back and re-evaluate your life, and please consider taking some basic classes on communication as you apparently don't understand the use of narrative rather than speaking literally at all times.

Get out.


Good job at raising the tone of discussion, TEST and alts.

Pol Pot Roast
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:30:00 - [58]
 

masterful troll mb3

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:30:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: DurrHurrDurr on 27/06/2011 03:31:31
Edited by: DurrHurrDurr on 27/06/2011 03:30:56
Originally by: Linar Mardolak
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr

Okay, you mongoloid.



Originally by: DurrHurrDurr

You are seriously an idiot. Please look back and re-evaluate your life, and please consider taking some basic classes on communication as you apparently don't understand the use of narrative rather than speaking literally at all times.

Get out.


Good job at raising the tone of discussion, TEST and alts.




I'm not an alt. And he is a complete mongoloid. I'm sorry that a discussion with complete idiots doesn't have all the respect of a professional debate.

Wait, hold on. I'm not. Because EVE's community is ridiculously stupid.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:31:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Templar Dane
[insert stigma here]


Oooh, can I plz haz your sig too? Shocked


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