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Greymor
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:27:00 - [1]
 

I really wanted to stay out of this, but now feel compelled to say something. Take it how you will, this is just my rational (hopefully) opinion of this whole situation. I'm sure many will disagree, and be filled with outrage at my lack of understanding of the big picture. But here it is, for whatever it's worth...

This current crisis is pointless. RMT's are not a new phenomenon in EVE. Has everyone forgotten about PLEX? Yes those things that someone with a lot of money can buy plenty of, turn them into isk, then buy themselves a nice fleet of supercarriers, a titan, or whatever else they want. People keep raging that NeX will allow people with money to unbalance the game, because they will simply buy themselves superiority. Right. PLEX? It's been around for a while. Not just as a means to play the game without paying a monthly sub, but as a way to buy whatever one wants, if they have the real life money. Everyone who is complaining about this new system and what it has coming seems to have forgotten about this. It's already there, has been there for a while, and everyone seems okay with it. Take it from me... I came back to the game recently after being gone for a few years. Had a whopping 30 million isk in my wallet. Well I wanted a new battleship, and a hulk, and a carrier, and blah blah blah. So I spent two hundred bucks on plex so I could get all my shiny new toys without grinding for the isk in game. Is that fair to other players? A lot would argue that it isn't. But it's there, and no one seems to have an issue with it. So why is everyone suddenly up in arms about these new changes? I don't think it's any different.

So there it is. Agree, disagree, flame... It doesn't matter. It simply is what it is. I'm going back to space now. =)

Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:25:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Batelle on 27/06/2011 01:25:51
Real Money -> Plex -> ISK -> shiny stuff = OK
Real Money -> Plex -> Aur -> shiny stuff = Not OK.

the distinction may be small, but here it is. In the current version, all the shiny stuff is produced/built in eve. Plex is only used as a way to get isk to get that stuff. We do not want a system where Plex/Aur can be traded directly to CCP for exclusive, game altering content, EVEN IF those things could then later be sold on the market.

Hank Shank
Minmatar
Pan Galactic Corp
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:40:00 - [3]
 

The above is entirely correct.

Also, some of the things that were proposed for Aurum, are NOT purchasable with ISK - like hangar slots or faction standings.

Greymor
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:04:00 - [4]
 

I completely see what you guys are saying and, belive me, don't disagree... But what's the difference? Yes, faction standings, skill rempas, hangars, etc. could alter and unbalance the game. But would it really be any worse than the current impact of PLEX?

If there's a faction or corp war, and one player pumps unlimited funds into buying fleets of superships, whose side is going to win? I heard an in-game discussion the other night about someone that spent $15k to win a war. Extreme example, but it can happen. I'm not taking the side of CCP nor the side of everyone who is so against these changes. I personally don't really care either way, because as far as the balance and fairness issues go, I don't see how this is going to make things any worse than than PLEX already could.

Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.27 07:51:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Greymor
If there's a faction or corp war, and one player pumps unlimited funds into buying fleets of superships, whose side is going to win? I heard an in-game discussion the other night about someone that spent $15k to win a war. Extreme example, but it can happen. I'm not taking the side of CCP nor the side of everyone who is so against these changes. I personally don't really care either way, because as far as the balance and fairness issues go, I don't see how this is going to make things any worse than than PLEX already could.


The problem is that you magically conjure ships out of nothing with AUR. If you need to use isk there has to be someone supplying those ships, so you cannot just get infinite amounts of them anywhere you want.

At the moment you buy a plex, go to Jita, sell plex, buy ships. Someone had to mine the minerals and take the time to haul, produce and research the blueprints. While the supply is large, it's not unlimited. Sooner or later the plex prces will drop and the ship prices rise.

If you could exchange the plex to AUR to ships, no industrials could get their share devaluating the industrial gameplay. You could also go to null deep behind enemy lines with no logistics in place and be able to wage war effectively with magical ships popping out of nowhere.

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.06.27 08:06:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Keras Authion
Originally by: Greymor
If there's a faction or corp war, and one player pumps unlimited funds into buying fleets of superships, whose side is going to win? I heard an in-game discussion the other night about someone that spent $15k to win a war. Extreme example, but it can happen. I'm not taking the side of CCP nor the side of everyone who is so against these changes. I personally don't really care either way, because as far as the balance and fairness issues go, I don't see how this is going to make things any worse than than PLEX already could.


The problem is that you magically conjure ships out of nothing with AUR. If you need to use isk there has to be someone supplying those ships, so you cannot just get infinite amounts of them anywhere you want.

At the moment you buy a plex, go to Jita, sell plex, buy ships. Someone had to mine the minerals and take the time to haul, produce and research the blueprints. While the supply is large, it's not unlimited. Sooner or later the plex prces will drop and the ship prices rise.

If you could exchange the plex to AUR to ships, no industrials could get their share devaluating the industrial gameplay. You could also go to null deep behind enemy lines with no logistics in place and be able to wage war effectively with magical ships popping out of nowhere.


As long as items on the nex don't compete with items in the regular market, I would be happy. For example i have no problem with trading in a ship already built by players plus aurum to get a visually customised hull back. This won't effect other players in any way except getting them more exciting when they get to blow me up.


 

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