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Namura Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:33:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Just because a thing is hard to do doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do it. And no just because the vocal forum minority vehemently appose it doesn't mean they shouldn't try it either.



Who is "We?"

And as far as vocal forum minority, if that is the case, perhaps they will ignore it, "What they do, not what they say" after all. But the Eve community and its forum usage is not quite the same as a F2P crowd. So we can not make blanket assumptions based of the experiences of someone in some other community with a different product. It serves your purpose to do so, so you willingly make fallacious assumptions based on no evidence.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

While I do not want titans being sold on the MT store, I am more than willing to see ships in the store. I wouldn't mind buying a primae or maybe another brand new ship that fills a niche role never thought of before. Or ship models where you don't buy a new ship but can replace completely the visuals of your ship to another. Ship skins. And yes even bonuses to ships.

How about a brand new slot, each ship gets a single new module slot where only 1 MT store bought module can go. An extra 5% armor or whatever stat you want.



You are willing to break the sandbox because you likely have not thought all of the implications through. Most of the so called vocal minority have been around a while and understand how Eve works and the importance of the integrity of the sandbox. You're willingness to want 'extra' stuff proves you do not care and lack understanding.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

The possibilities are near limitless and only the insecure are the ones who really have a problem with it.



Your arrogance does you no favors.


We as in human species.

It is not fallacious to point out that the forums do not represent the majority of players. For FSM sake, I don't even think a majority of EVE players have even noticed the noble store yet.

I've thought about the implications. Unless you are older than me 30+, I dare say I may have more experience playing MMOs than you. Thinking about new possibilities of gameplay has been a passion of mine since I started playing them back in the 20th century. I understand perfectly that some people just plain don't like the idea of MT in any shape or form, and im sorry to say, I don't care. I understand, I just don't care.

My arrogance might no do me any favors, but neither does your closed mindedness.


General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:34:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: General Xenophon on 27/06/2011 02:36:24
Edited by: General Xenophon on 27/06/2011 02:35:59
Yea that link was depressing, however my only hope here is that the model being discussed there was a 'free to play' vs 'pay to play' which is Eve. The trouble with adding item generating (ie ships, ammo etc) shop which you can buy stuff from with RL cash to Eve is that it creates an unbalance in a game... oh what am I saying?

CCP doesn't care about this game! Their a company! Not a charity!

They're out to make more money, not to be loyal to their fanbase. Besides if idiots will give them money to get fancy pants let them!

Wasn't many years ago that people laughed at the idea of people 'paying to play' games like Everquest and those trail blazers. Just sad that the gene pool for games is ending up here at the spawn of Pay to Play and Free to play becoming Free to Pay and Pay and Pay....

-explicative deleted- CCP

gdjghjhgjfh
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:39:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: gdjghjhgjfh on 27/06/2011 02:39:03
Originally by: Eileen Drake
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
They're talking FREE TO PLAY not subscribed games.

Fail post


Free to play game added this and tripled their income.

CCP despite being a subscription based game will add this with the help of Aurum in-game currency and will succeed in generating a 25-50% (if not more) profit increase regardless of the amount of rage posts/emoquits/protests. Which is excellent business.



I agree your post was pretty fail.

You do know none of us will take what you said seriously miss ccp alt with only 2 posts since creation...

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:44:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

We as in human species.



Oh so you can speak for the entire human species now can you? Thank you for letting us all in on your grand magnificence. You are you arrogant, aren't you.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

It is not fallacious to point out that the forums do not represent the majority of players. For FSM sake, I don't even think a majority of EVE players have even noticed the noble store yet.



CCP has noticed the drop in subscriptions. We'll just have to see what the CSM comes back with and go from there, won't we?

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

I've thought about the implications. Unless you are older than me 30+, I dare say I may have more experience playing MMOs than you. Thinking about new possibilities of gameplay has been a passion of mine since I started playing them back in the 20th century. I understand perfectly that some people just plain don't like the idea of MT in any shape or form, and im sorry to say, I don't care. I understand, I just don't care.



It is never wise to assume too much about the person with whom you communicate over the internet in an anonymous format. But since you are arrogant, I should not be surprised. Feel free to do all the guessing you wish.

I could really care less about your personal life or your hopes and dreams, but you did admit you do not care. So this conversation is pretty much resolved.

You don't care about the integrity of the sand box, said it your self.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

My arrogance might no do me any favors, but neither does your closed mindedness.



ROFL - thanks for proving my point, again!

Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:44:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo
In short, EVE forum users are morons.[/quote



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Nikki West
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:52:00 - [96]
 

I just find it sickening that they are introducing MTs on top of subscriptions.

Namura Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:00:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

We as in human species.



Oh so you can speak for the entire human species now can you? Thank you for letting us all in on your grand magnificence. You are you arrogant, aren't you.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

It is not fallacious to point out that the forums do not represent the majority of players. For FSM sake, I don't even think a majority of EVE players have even noticed the noble store yet.



CCP has noticed the drop in subscriptions. We'll just have to see what the CSM comes back with and go from there, won't we?

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

I've thought about the implications. Unless you are older than me 30+, I dare say I may have more experience playing MMOs than you. Thinking about new possibilities of gameplay has been a passion of mine since I started playing them back in the 20th century. I understand perfectly that some people just plain don't like the idea of MT in any shape or form, and im sorry to say, I don't care. I understand, I just don't care.



It is never wise to assume too much about the person with whom you communicate over the internet in an anonymous format. But since you are arrogant, I should not be surprised. Feel free to do all the guessing you wish.

I could really care less about your personal life or your hopes and dreams, but you did admit you do not care. So this conversation is pretty much resolved.

You don't care about the integrity of the sand box, said it your self.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

My arrogance might no do me any favors, but neither does your closed mindedness.



ROFL - thanks for proving my point, again!


Your lack of english comprehension is quite interesting. You know there was a brilliant man, by the name of John F Kennedy who said:
Quote:
we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard


Now of course whats going on now has pretty much nothing to do with the notion of landing a man on the moon, but seriously you take a feel good quote and turn it into something else. Grasp at straws much?

As for CCPs reaction to these events? I hope their reaction is to answer questions more forthrightly. Not so much that they stop MT and such, because I think the MT store could be wonderful, but I do despise when companies fail to communicate. And with a company like this that has gone further than most any other companies ever do to connect to their customers it is sad to see.

Rather I think the integrity of the sandbox will _not_ be harmed by this introduction of vanity and even non-vanity items into EVE.

Whatever floats your boat mate, you've made plenty assumptions. I just wanted to say so have I.

Namura Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:03:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo
In short, EVE forum users are morons.[/quote



eve forum user detectedExclamation


Exactly. I like others are wasting my time on these forums with admitted sociopaths and moral and social missfits.

Ann Nox
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:07:00 - [99]
 

All I'm gonna say about all the numbers is that the reality of it is I Live in a c5 with 20 some odd guys and haven't seen but one or two online since this mess.(pretty active gang usually)

I know this is an alt but I'm an extremely paranoid eve player bent on never giving ANY intel out anywhere. Haven't spoken in local on main since prolly 2009. Never post much but im posting now as if they are going for numbers they should have ALL the numbers right.

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:13:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Linar Mardolak
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 27/06/2011 00:34:15

Originally by: Peter Greed
Regrettably, after watching http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win (specifically at the 29:00 minute mark and forward), it has suddenly become crystal clear to me that:


That's some pretty compelling material. However, does it apply entirely to the case of EVE? For example, if we consider vulnerability to detrimental effects of game affecting virtual goods, could the games discussed in the presentation be called 'virtual worlds' to the same extent as EVE, with it's total sandbox gameplay?


The sandbox is what makes Eve special now.
In the coming Eve, that won't matter so much.


Pretty much this.

In order to move successfully from the 'now' Eve, and the 'Post-MT Eve', all CCP has to do is skirt the issue, stay as vague as possible, and slowly implement their will.

People crying foul will eventually adapt or move on. The community that stays to play the game will make sure of that.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:14:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
You forget that this game bred us for this war.


QFT

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:16:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Your lack of english comprehension is quite interesting.



You are so full of your self, it's sad, no actually it's hilarious, keep it up. You don't have the slightest clue of how truly arrogant you are. I'll refrain from giving you a clue how you keep putting your foot in it so that I may be entertained.

Oh and BTW, I don't usually point this sort of thing out, as it doesn't matter and is vulagr tactic, but in your case, since you are so up on your self and arrogant: If you are going to make comments about someone's "english comprehension", which is a nonsensical statement unto it self, the least you could do is make sure your grammar and spelling are correct.
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Now of course whats going on now has pretty much nothing to do with the notion of landing a man on the moon, but seriously you take a feel good quote and turn it into something else. Grasp at straws much?



Throw red herrings much?

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

As for CCPs reaction to these events? I hope their reaction is to answer questions more forthrightly. Not so much that they stop MT and such, because I think the MT store could be wonderful, but I do despise when companies fail to communicate. And with a company like this that has gone further than most any other companies ever do to connect to their customers it is sad to see.



Not particularly interested in your straw man as it relates to the question at hand. Save it for someone else.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Rather I think the integrity of the sandbox will _not_ be harmed by this introduction of vanity and even non-vanity items into EVE.



I thought you didn't care, now you do. Make up your mind.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Whatever floats your boat mate, you've made plenty assumptions. I just wanted to say so have I.



Feel free to point out my assumptions.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:20:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Peter Greed
Originally by: Demure Guise


I'm just surprised that CCP, of all people, are surprised at the reactions!


I can tell by this statement, you have not watched the video. :)

They are not surprised at the reactions. The reactions were predicted precisely.


CCP brought it down on themselves. They self-prophesized the reaction. The CCP community was more than glad to discuss the matter with them, they chose to ignore it intentionally. It got worse. The letter from Hilmar is dated from the Thu, 23 Jun 2011.

That was before **** really hit the fan, Jita was locked down and so on, it wasn't released until 2 days later.

By the time Sunday came and **** still wasn't settling, and a few more media sites started to hit and they realized that their reputation was really starting to get on the line, they made a response.

I don't think they predicted this reaction. What they predicted was some forum rage over the NeX, but really, that wasn't what people were "Raging" about.

EVE is Real. They're dealing with Real Consequences. Not some crappy 32 man instance based First Person Shooter that's P2W.

They've learned that now. Players will shut down trade hubs, they will make it unmanageable to run EVE, and probably damned expensive too.

They have a representative council that is now costing them money to fly to Iceland, and other responsibilities above "EA FPS Battlefield Heros".

Different ball game.


Namura Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:30:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Namura Kautsuo on 27/06/2011 03:30:50
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Your lack of english comprehension is quite interesting.



You are so full of your self, it's sad, no actually it's hilarious, keep it up. You don't have the slightest clue of how truly arrogant you are. I'll refrain from giving you a clue how you keep putting your foot in it so that I may be entertained.

Oh and BTW, I don't usually point this sort of thing out, as it doesn't matter and is vulagr tactic, but in your case, since you are so up on your self and arrogant: If you are going to make comments about someone's "english comprehension", which is a nonsensical statement unto it self, the least you could do is make sure your grammar and spelling are correct.
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Now of course whats going on now has pretty much nothing to do with the notion of landing a man on the moon, but seriously you take a feel good quote and turn it into something else. Grasp at straws much?



Throw red herrings much?

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

As for CCPs reaction to these events? I hope their reaction is to answer questions more forthrightly. Not so much that they stop MT and such, because I think the MT store could be wonderful, but I do despise when companies fail to communicate. And with a company like this that has gone further than most any other companies ever do to connect to their customers it is sad to see.



Not particularly interested in your straw man as it relates to the question at hand. Save it for someone else.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Rather I think the integrity of the sandbox will _not_ be harmed by this introduction of vanity and even non-vanity items into EVE.



I thought you didn't care, now you do. Make up your mind.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Whatever floats your boat mate, you've made plenty assumptions. I just wanted to say so have I.



Feel free to point out my assumptions.


Classic case of being unable to argue the points so you misdirect the discussion. Calling me arrogant for something as benign as suggesting CCP is doing something hard by thinking of new ideas rather than sticking with the easy path of doing the same old thing with EVE. But go ahead and keep it up.

It's not a red herring if all I was doing was pointing out where I got the phrase from. It'd be a red herring if it had _nothing_ to do with the discussion, but the fact is YOU brought it up first.

You may not be interested, but I am interested, so there.

I just don't care about forum players reactions. I do care about what CCP ultimately does.

You don't feel the need to point out how im being arrogant, so why should I feel the need to point out your assumptions? But i've already pointed them out anyway.

Bardan Asoto
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:42:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Peter Greed
Regrettably, after watching http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win (specifically at the 29:00 minute mark and forward), it has suddenly become crystal clear to me that:



  • CCP will make more money by introducing RMT, regardless of the global and local press.

  • They will absolutely 100% move forward with these changes, including advantage based items.

  • From the business standpoint, it's actually the right way to go.

  • Spending any further time reading or commenting is just a complete waste of time.





So, while I vehemently despise CCP from a gamer's standpoint, I must applaud them for their bold business move.

The CSM meeting and any further comments from CCP are purely cosmetic, and will absolutely do nothing to change the outcome.



Fake Edit: Trust me, I don't like taking this viewpoint, but for those who threaten the death of Eve through whatever means necessary, go watch the video, and then tell me you have a leg to stand on.


30:15 in the video: "...but crucially there was no exodus of players..."

Ahem:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:43:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Bardan Asoto
Originally by: Peter Greed
Regrettably, after watching http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win (specifically at the 29:00 minute mark and forward), it has suddenly become crystal clear to me that:



  • CCP will make more money by introducing RMT, regardless of the global and local press.

  • They will absolutely 100% move forward with these changes, including advantage based items.

  • From the business standpoint, it's actually the right way to go.

  • Spending any further time reading or commenting is just a complete waste of time.





So, while I vehemently despise CCP from a gamer's standpoint, I must applaud them for their bold business move.

The CSM meeting and any further comments from CCP are purely cosmetic, and will absolutely do nothing to change the outcome.



Fake Edit: Trust me, I don't like taking this viewpoint, but for those who threaten the death of Eve through whatever means necessary, go watch the video, and then tell me you have a leg to stand on.


30:15 in the video: "...but crucially there was no exodus of players..."

Ahem:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495



Let's revisit this exact issue in a week, shall we?

Namura Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:48:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Bardan Asoto
Originally by: Peter Greed
Regrettably, after watching http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win (specifically at the 29:00 minute mark and forward), it has suddenly become crystal clear to me that:



  • CCP will make more money by introducing RMT, regardless of the global and local press.

  • They will absolutely 100% move forward with these changes, including advantage based items.

  • From the business standpoint, it's actually the right way to go.

  • Spending any further time reading or commenting is just a complete waste of time.





So, while I vehemently despise CCP from a gamer's standpoint, I must applaud them for their bold business move.

The CSM meeting and any further comments from CCP are purely cosmetic, and will absolutely do nothing to change the outcome.



Fake Edit: Trust me, I don't like taking this viewpoint, but for those who threaten the death of Eve through whatever means necessary, go watch the video, and then tell me you have a leg to stand on.


30:15 in the video: "...but crucially there was no exodus of players..."

Ahem:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495


If that ever gets above 10k accounts canceled i'd consider that an actual valid outcry against MT. Until then it's piddleswath.

Bardan Asoto
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:50:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Peter Greed
Originally by: Bardan Asoto
Originally by: Peter Greed
Regrettably, after watching http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win (specifically at the 29:00 minute mark and forward), it has suddenly become crystal clear to me that:



  • CCP will make more money by introducing RMT, regardless of the global and local press.

  • They will absolutely 100% move forward with these changes, including advantage based items.

  • From the business standpoint, it's actually the right way to go.

  • Spending any further time reading or commenting is just a complete waste of time.





So, while I vehemently despise CCP from a gamer's standpoint, I must applaud them for their bold business move.

The CSM meeting and any further comments from CCP are purely cosmetic, and will absolutely do nothing to change the outcome.



Fake Edit: Trust me, I don't like taking this viewpoint, but for those who threaten the death of Eve through whatever means necessary, go watch the video, and then tell me you have a leg to stand on.


30:15 in the video: "...but crucially there was no exodus of players..."

Ahem:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495



Let's revisit this exact issue in a week, shall we?


Most people's accounts won't expire in a week and we can't confirm or disprove all the claims in that thread. But I know that my 2 accounts are unsubbed for the first time ever and quite a few things done to EVE have ****ed me off in the past.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:53:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Classic case of being unable to argue the points so you misdirect the discussion. Calling me arrogant for something as benign as suggesting CCP is doing something hard by thinking of new ideas rather than sticking with the easy path of doing the same old thing with EVE. But go ahead and keep it up.



You're the one with the red herrings and the straw mans. Sorry, you do not get to be a hypocrite and not be called on it. It does not work that way, try again.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

It's not a red herring if all I was doing was pointing out where I got the phrase from. It'd be a red herring if it had _nothing_ to do with the discussion, but the fact is YOU brought it up first.

You may not be interested, but I am interested, so there.



LOL, accusation, and then justify your motives with your motives ... doesn't work, try again.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

I just don't care about forum players reactions. I do care about what CCP ultimately does.



Oh, that's why you're out on the forums, to express your not caring about the player's reactions while interacting with said players, when earlier you had said you understood the implications upon the sand box but just don't care. Got it.

Keep dancin'

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

You don't feel the need to point out how im being arrogant, so why should I feel the need to point out your assumptions? But i've already pointed them out anyway.


I don't feel the need to point out you are being arrogant? Then why did I do it? Are you a mind reader now too? Your powers are amazing, how many fingers am I holding up?

Nope, you're just being a hypocrite and an arrogant one at that.

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:04:00 - [110]
 

Tell me OP, how many of those games lasted for 7 years and how many of them had player-driven economy?

Namura Kautsuo
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:13:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

Classic case of being unable to argue the points so you misdirect the discussion. Calling me arrogant for something as benign as suggesting CCP is doing something hard by thinking of new ideas rather than sticking with the easy path of doing the same old thing with EVE. But go ahead and keep it up.



You're the one with the red herrings and the straw mans. Sorry, you do not get to be a hypocrite and not be called on it. It does not work that way, try again.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

It's not a red herring if all I was doing was pointing out where I got the phrase from. It'd be a red herring if it had _nothing_ to do with the discussion, but the fact is YOU brought it up first.

You may not be interested, but I am interested, so there.



LOL, accusation, and then justify your motives with your motives ... doesn't work, try again.

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

I just don't care about forum players reactions. I do care about what CCP ultimately does.



Oh, that's why you're out on the forums, to express your not caring about the player's reactions while interacting with said players, when earlier you had said you understood the implications upon the sand box but just don't care. Got it.

Keep dancin'

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

You don't feel the need to point out how im being arrogant, so why should I feel the need to point out your assumptions? But i've already pointed them out anyway.


I don't feel the need to point out you are being arrogant? Then why did I do it? Are you a mind reader now too? Your powers are amazing, how many fingers am I holding up?

Nope, you're just being a hypocrite and an arrogant one at that.


I'm arrogant and a hypocrite. What ever will you think of next?

This is boring the crap out of me so ill just skip all your nonsense misdirection and get to the real bits. I'm here on the forums for two reasons.

One, forum rage is entertaining. Shoulda seen some of the stuff back in the old EQ days when it was at its high point. There was a player forum dedicated to people flaming and raging at eachother, it was glorious.

Two, yeah i think I did mangle this sentence:

Quote:
I understand perfectly that some people just plain don't like the idea of MT in any shape or form, and im sorry to say, I don't care. I understand, I just don't care.


Wait no. It's perfectly clear. I do not care that some people do not like the idea of MT in any shape or form.

Does that mean I don't care about the sandbox itself? Why no sir, it does not.

Well sure. You've been calling me arrogant up and down tonight. But you did say you would 'refrain' from explaining my arrogance to me. All the while trying to do just that. I was merely following your example.

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:20:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: The Offerer
Tell me OP, how many of those games lasted for 7 years and how many of them had player-driven economy?


If this helps keep you warm and safe at night, then you should probably hold on to it.

Just start looking for a new game quickly.

Words Words Words
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:25:00 - [113]
 

If eve was F2P you'd have a point

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:27:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Words Words Words
If eve was F2P you'd have a point


Oh, thanks for letting me know.

Very Happy

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:29:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

<More pointless crap from you>



You are arrogant, and you are a hypocrite. Some people may fall for your little games, I don't. You don't like being called on it, too bad, deal with it.


So you're going to tell me, you still stand behind this,

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo

While I do not want titans being sold on the MT store, I am more than willing to see ships in the store. I wouldn't mind buying a primae or maybe another brand new ship that fills a niche role never thought of before. Or ship models where you don't buy a new ship but can replace completely the visuals of your ship to another. Ship skins. And yes even bonuses to ships.

How about a brand new slot, each ship gets a single new module slot where only 1 MT store bought module can go. An extra 5% armor or whatever stat you want.



... and think it is good for Eve?

Why don't you display to all of us why you think it is good. Amaze us with the years of gaming insight you claim to have. Be sure to let us know how this impacts the sandbox and the economy of Eve and how that will impact gameplay.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:32:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 27/06/2011 04:32:50
Well, the point is not THAT FAR OFF. A large portion of EVE players don't even know what is going on (just talk to players ingame), alot of players just don't give a damn (talk to your corpmates...ask around).

BUT, it not always goes as in the slide-example. NGE is a counterpoint to it. We will see how mature the EVE community really is, and if we have reached a critical mass.

Alot of kiddos will play anything, they will scream, sure, but they will play, and pay. But older ppl, who feel betrayed, won't.

I say, 50:50 for now, if CCP can lull the CSM in, then it will tip to CCPs favor.

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:42:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
It is worth listening to that paying-to-win presentation... Very eye opening.

Especially when it goes into how they tracked the people that sent them all the hate mail over mt... And found that those same people were purchasing pay-to-win items not long after.


Because they had no choice in order to remain competitive? I'm curious - how many simply quit instead?

Ianus
Caldari
Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:43:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
They're talking FREE TO PLAY not subscribed games.

Fail post


This ^

Not so much that the OP has failed somehow but that it would be incorrect for any company to take one case study about subject A, and generalize to subject B (which in this case is a super-set of A).

No, what CCP is attempting right now with EVE will be its own case study in the future, one whose lessons we can learn from are yet to be determined.

Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:45:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Bardan Asoto


Most people's accounts won't expire in a week and we can't confirm or disprove all the claims in that thread. But I know that my 2 accounts are unsubbed for the first time ever and quite a few things done to EVE have ****ed me off in the past.


Yup. Main gone and expired already, this one's on the way. Never canceled, lapsed once in 5 years, always full-price monthly paid by card.

Callisto Ares
Companion Cube Industries
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:46:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Peter Greed
Originally by: RougeOperator



Anyway Even was not F2P from the get go with a cash store from the get go. That game had 7 million players.

Its not the same thing.

Terrible example peter.


Lol, I agree with you. It's wrong.



It doesn't matter if it's the same thing. The same outcome is what matters.....



It's THE example. I don't really know of any better parallel in online gaming history that could be better.


Star Wars Galaxies


Originally a subscription and player driven MMO, turned NGE to appeal to a wider audience, then eventually with a trading card game equivalent of micro transactions grafted on to further supplement income from a bleeding player base until finally set to shutdown this December.


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