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IRTEHAZN
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:45:00 - [91]
 

i love the way ccp advertise this game as a player driven game that we control that we , in a butterfly effect sort of way rule , and we have this council of stellar management which is a player council so devs can look at and possibly develop our ideas all of which makes us feel we are paying for a game where the devs care what we think and then they completely bypass all of that horse dung to give us changes we dont want and alter the way its run and the principles of how they develop our(???)game and what we want im more offended by this than the mt regardless of cost or even what it sells and no im not a terrorist locking down trade hubs , i have 3 accounts 2 are being cancelled indefinitely this main is not but if my spacepixel group find a new game for us to play then this one may say bye bye as well

also my take on the bad man helicity boson being banned all the carebears who say goody no more hulkageddon great in all likelihood your right it will die off , but conveniently with it also goes the guy who exposes ccp making basic fundamental errors ie the forum debacle and they get a convenient exscuse to permaban a person with a means to embaress them to a large audience

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:45:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: the plague
Edited by: the plague on 26/06/2011 20:35:51
Originally by: Don Maddox
I'm not sure why people are surprised by any of this or would even think of calling for protesters to be banned. This is EXACTLY the way CCP has encouraged players to deal with each other in the game for years. EVE not only encourages players to band together and grief other players using the most destructive, onerous, and frustrating tactics possible, it practically forces players to operate in that fashion because nothing else works! In many subtle (and some not-so-subtle) ways, the devs have created an environment where banding together and imposing your will by whatever means necessary is the intuitive and instinctive way to play this game. It should surprise absolutely no one that the EVE community has now evolved (or mutated) into a state where we treat the developers in exactly the same fashion as they encourage us to treat each other.

You reap what you sow. And CCP has created a Frankenstein monster that will no longer blindly do as commanded. CCP talks a lot about bravery and creating new virtual worlds where players truly control their own destiny's. Well, CCP's response to this crisis is going to speak volumes about who they really are as a game company. And it will also reveal whether they really believe any of that fancy talk or whether it really is all just about the bucks.

So far the signs are not encouraging. CCP has demonstrated a remarkable degree of incompetence in dealing with their own game and the player community over the past 24 months. There's very little reason to believe they're capable or willing to stop and actually listen. They often hear what we say, but they don't listen.

http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?101089-Leaked-internal-CCP-documents-reveal-EVE-s-new-focus-on-f2p-and-microtransactions/page2


Pretty much.


We have spais in their base.

Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs

We have better organizational capabilities from years of sov warfare

We are patient enough to siege for several days at a time on very little sleep

We are the monster of CCP's making

Smeedly
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:48:00 - [93]
 

"People will go around wrecking trade hubs every time they feel like it"

You're right. If CCP allows what you call "the perception that the inmates can run the asylum" people will continue to wreck trade hubs whenever CCP makes a poor decision.

The alternative means that there will be nobody left to wreck trade hubs. CCP couldnt be here without us. They have to do what we say. They are the inmates. We run the asylum.

Ildryn
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:50:00 - [94]
 

"we pay their salary and they don't listen"
sounds a lot like "i pay that cops salary and still got a ticket!"

P2W started with Plex.
Protesting now is kinda meh.
I really hope they do introduce T3 Frigs/ammo and such through the NeX store.
Ill buy one...either with plex or the market.

This NeX store is not a p2w button you know.
It is only p2w if the items are locked to a character.
Anyone can buy and sell on the open market. So everyone can participate.
Even the protestors.
And not trying to talk down to anyone or anything. If you are quitting just quit.


Odium Eternus
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:54:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
If CCP has any sense at all--and I'm not sure if they do--the result of this meeting will be to accelerate the deployment of non-vanity items.

The reason for this is that CCP can't allow the perception that the inmates can run the asylum.


I stopped reading there. Why? Because you are more wrong than you'll ever be in your life. This is not an asylum, it is a business and the demand of the product you make gets you the profit to run the business. If the buyers of that product ... in this case angered eve players ... do not want that product ... you WILL change it or you WILL lose your business.

ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:01:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Odium Eternus

I stopped reading there. Why? Because you are more wrong than you'll ever be in your life. This is not an asylum, it is a business and the demand of the product you make gets you the profit to run the business. If the buyers of that product ... in this case angered eve players ... do not want that product ... you WILL change it or you WILL lose your business.


Why don't you quit over it?

Raellah
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:04:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
If CCP has any sense at all--and I'm not sure if they do--the result of this meeting will be to accelerate the deployment of non-vanity items.

The reason for this is that CCP can't allow the perception that the inmates can run the asylum. If the execs make a choice that can be in any way construed as a victory for the bedlam of the last several days, it sets a bad precedent that violating the ToS in large numbers is an effective negotiating method.

People will go around wrecking trade hubs every time they feel like it, over any detail they decide they want. Given the insanity logic of many of the ragers, I really can't say they I want any of them in charge of the direction or future of the game.

The obvious way for CCP to get out of this with some semblance of credibility is to have the meeting, tell the CSM what's up, and move forward--most likely at a faster pace to show that they really mean it. If non-vanity items really weren't planned, they should throw them in there to make the point loud and clear. CCP doesn't play ball with virtual terrorists.

A secondary option would be to backtrack slightly, but invoke the banhammer mercilessly against everyone who has violated the ToS. That would be the equivalent of saying, "We hear you. But we don't accept the way you made your voice heard."

Frankly, I'd like to see some combination of both options. Rules that don't get enforced, or are enforced intermittently, aren't really worth much of anything. Either enforce the rules or change them.

In any case, there's not a good option for those of who decided to intentionally wreck the trade hubs. You've ruined your cause.

As a side-note, I wouldn't listen to the CSM either. Their polling methodology is horribly messed up. You can't toss a vote thread right into the middle of a bunch of massively biased people and take that as some representation of the population.

Vote threads here are like polling only republicans on election day and saying, "OMG! 95% of The People voted republican! How did any democrats get elected? OMG! CONSPIRACY!!! Sony bought the government!!!!"

If either CSM or CCP is interested in finding out what the community really thinks, they should send out surveys to random subscribers and pay them ISK or SP to complete the study and look at that data.

On the other hand, what I got from the leaked email is that they did a bit of real research with a good survey methodology and came to a conclusion. I hope CCP sticks to its guns on this because I don't want to play in a universe run by protestors that ruin certain parts of the game by breaking the ToS.

If I'm wrong, and CCP never did that research, have someone contact me. My company will be happy to do some real, scientific research on the eve players.

~Tron Flux


LOL crap troll

This is not something players of this game habitually engage in and you would know this if you weren't an 8-month old character. Quit being so butthurt because other pilots have protested their outrage at the possibility of eve turning into WoW in space. They are doing this to maintain game balance.

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:07:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Baillif
Originally by: the plague
Edited by: the plague on 26/06/2011 20:35:51
Originally by: Don Maddox
I'm not sure why people are surprised by any of this or would even think of calling for protesters to be banned. This is EXACTLY the way CCP has encouraged players to deal with each other in the game for years. EVE not only encourages players to band together and grief other players using the most destructive, onerous, and frustrating tactics possible, it practically forces players to operate in that fashion because nothing else works! In many subtle (and some not-so-subtle) ways, the devs have created an environment where banding together and imposing your will by whatever means necessary is the intuitive and instinctive way to play this game. It should surprise absolutely no one that the EVE community has now evolved (or mutated) into a state where we treat the developers in exactly the same fashion as they encourage us to treat each other.

You reap what you sow. And CCP has created a Frankenstein monster that will no longer blindly do as commanded. CCP talks a lot about bravery and creating new virtual worlds where players truly control their own destiny's. Well, CCP's response to this crisis is going to speak volumes about who they really are as a game company. And it will also reveal whether they really believe any of that fancy talk or whether it really is all just about the bucks.

So far the signs are not encouraging. CCP has demonstrated a remarkable degree of incompetence in dealing with their own game and the player community over the past 24 months. There's very little reason to believe they're capable or willing to stop and actually listen. They often hear what we say, but they don't listen.

http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?101089-Leaked-internal-CCP-documents-reveal-EVE-s-new-focus-on-f2p-and-microtransactions/page2


Pretty much.


We have spais in their base.

Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs

We have better organizational capabilities from years of sov warfare

We are patient enough to siege for several days at a time on very little sleep

We are the monster of CCP's making


^THIS!

ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:09:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Raellah

LOL crap troll

This is not something players of this game habitually engage in and you would know this if you weren't an 8-month old character. Quit being so butthurt because other pilots have protested their outrage at the possibility of eve turning into WoW in space. They are doing this to maintain game balance.


They did it because it's customary after EVERY patch to whine about it, and you should know that if you've been subscribed for more than 6 months. This time, everyone ran out of tissues apparently.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:12:00 - [100]
 

You weren't around here during the nanonerf, were you?

Guess not.


Common sense, fella. CCP is, at the moment, the ridiculous joke around the press. It's "The Game with the 80 dollar Monocle". Therefore CCP is under media scrutiny. Look at what happened to SoE for ignoring their players. Hooray, SWG is finally becoming dust (no pun intended) since it was already dead long ago.

Shooting an invulnerable landmark does nothing. So many people rallying up to do something stupid sends a message. It tells that those people are unhappy.

Vincentus
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:13:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Meridian Siri
Originally by: Tron Flux

Thank you for the clue. In my opinion, businesses are not run by customers. They are run by executives and possibly investors. If losing you and others were not planned into CCP's strategy, shame on them for not taking that possibility into account. That's bad business.

But I think it was. Perhaps I'm wrong. In any case, breaking the rules you agreed to when you signed up to play shouldn't have any effect on anyone's business decisions. It should just get you banned.


Dude; you ever run a business? The customers sure as hell guide the direction of the business if the owners want to make money, which I believe is the goal of most businesses. I think that CCP may have underestimated the response of the player base on this so, like you said, bad business call.


I currently own one business, and I am the CEO of another. My opinion is different. In both cases, the business produces the highest quality product that we can envision, then we find markets for that product. If some people don't want it, that's fine with me.

I don't sit around listening to what people think they want and then try to cater to them. I build the best in the industries (two completely unrelated ones) and sell it to people who want it.

My RL wallet isn't hurting.


I sure am glad I'm not one of your shareholders

Eriam JH
Gallente
Kingfisher Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:14:00 - [102]
 

Ooh, ooh... I like analogies! Can I play, too?

So, this is like where General Motors decided that everybody wanted gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs, right? So they kept cranking them out because all of the consultants they hired and focus groups they headed told them that that's what we want, despite what we were actually buying. Eventually, when Toyota's sales figures approached mighty GM's, General Motors introduced... The H2. And you could buy these behemoths in any COLOR you wanted. And, you could PAY EXTRA to get chromed-plastic doohickeys all over it.

Far, far away in Icela--er, Detroit, GM's execs saw that they were selling DOZENS and DOZENS of Hummers compared with the hundreds of thousands of hybrids that their competitors were selling and so--in a flash of brilliance, they intruduced... The H3.

Luckily for GM, they held to the principle that they knew better than their customers what they really wanted. Now that General Motors is the biggest, most profitable company that the universe has ever seen, with trillions of dollars in the bank, a factory in every city on the planet and billions of emplo... er, wait...


1.) Consumers vote with their wallets...
2.) Not everyone is drowning in cash, Tron, so in this econimic climate, people have to make choices on MMO entertainment with fewer discretionary dollars...
3.) Iceland can't afford to bail-out CCP...

If CCP doesn't start letting the inmates run the asylum (or whatever), we won't really have a choice about whether to keep playing EVE or not, will we?

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:14:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: R2 D3
Tron Flux, as a person who isn't leaving, yet unhappy with the nex changes (as the majority of the customers) I think the main problem older players have (or at least I do and I believe other people with me).
Is the fact that CCP promised they wouldn't do this and yet they did.
Obviously they are free to enforce this changes if they feel that's the best direction.

Back in the day CCP wanted to charge 5 euro a month extra for players who used eve voice. When nobody used it they made it free. So if a certain option cost extra rl cash and isn't used because of it, it will change in the long run. So ccp did listen to the customers in the past.

Do you as a ceo irl ever make use of feedback or are used towards the 360 degree review concept?

regardless of the ccp are amateur whines I think they will decide for themselves of forcing vanity items and losing a lot of the current playerbase (but if it restores it will be a great oppurtunity for more money), or removing vanity items and keeping the current player base happy. Or the most likely option they will try to write dev blogs and end up with some vanity items anyway but not those who really affect the gameplay. (Like special weapons/ships).

last but not least if they did this research, there are still some patterns happening atm I can't imagine they expected in the research. I don't know wether or not you are familiar with the shell brent spar case? This is a lot like it imo.


First off, thanks for the cogent response. There are surprisingly many of these on this thread where I was expecting just a bunch of hate.

I would say that it is a mistake for a business to make promises about the future in general. I think someone at CCP screwed up royally with a promise to not do something. It's one thing to say that no plans are being made at the moment. It's something quite different to say that you will never do something.

Fundamentally, a business needs to not lock itself into a corner. It needs to be agile enough to move with the market it's involved with. Technology is a dangerous place because things can shift at a very rapid pace.

I don't think CCP figured out a good way to communicate things after people latched on to the idea that they would "never do X." That's also, btw, a pretty common feature of technology companies. The good ones tend to be really good with the technology. But they tend to be really bad with PR.

Someone painted them into a corner with a statement. Now they have to figure out how to get out of that corner. They just haven't cracked the code.

Do I personally listen to clients? Yes, to a certain extent. The business I own is a market research firm. Our business is to go to companies like CCP and survey their market and listen to what their clients want. Then we analyze the results and make recommendations. (disclosure: my company is not the consulting company referenced in the leaked email. We have never done business with CCP.)

So we listen to what our clients want in terms of what a given research goal is and what decisions they need to make. We do not listen to or even talk about what answers they want, what their current strategy is, how a certain answer would affect them. We do not listen to their ideas about statistical methods, data collection, or economic analysis.

In that sense, we create a best-in-class product by *not* listening to clients.

I don't think there's a whole lot of consumer behavior that can't be predicted given the right research. If CCP hired a solid consulting company with a research-driven base, none of this is a surprise at all. It was completely predictable.

If they didn't, well, they messed up.

In my opinion, the truth remains to be seen, and we'll find out a lot in the next week.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:15:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Ildryn
"we pay their salary and they don't listen"
sounds a lot like "i pay that cops salary and still got a ticket!"

P2W started with Plex.
Protesting now is kinda meh.
I really hope they do introduce T3 Frigs/ammo and such through the NeX store.
Ill buy one...either with plex or the market.

This NeX store is not a p2w button you know.
It is only p2w if the items are locked to a character.
Anyone can buy and sell on the open market. So everyone can participate.
Even the protestors.
And not trying to talk down to anyone or anything. If you are quitting just quit.




Cops are public sector. CCP is private.

Its not even remotely the same thing.

Anon Forumalt6858
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:18:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Anon Forumalt6858 on 26/06/2011 22:28:18
Edited by: Anon Forumalt6858 on 26/06/2011 22:25:47
Originally by: Tron Flux
If CCP has any sense at all--and I'm not sure if they do--the result of this meeting will be to accelerate the deployment of non-vanity items.

The reason for this is that CCP can't allow the perception that the inmates can run the asylum. -snip-


Spoken like a true sheep."Inamtes" do run the asylum n a consumerist market. Those inmates dictate what they spend money on and how they represent the product through their validated(by the fact that they are a patronizing customer) word of mouth feedback.

If I felt like an inmate in anything that I pay for, that would be put to an end in short order. I have no fear of CCP, CCP has a valid reason to fear me as a paying customer. I use the word fear to illustrate the point, not because I actually want them walking on eggshells. The best case scenario is one of mutual trust and respect that Zulu referenced in his most recent blog.

At this point, I just hope that Zulu;s use of the phrase "gold ammo" is clarified to mean any game affecting item(anything beyond vanity/cosmetic) and that we're told the option to disable the CQ environment will remain a permanent option.

Ildryn
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:20:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Ildryn
"we pay their salary and they don't listen"
sounds a lot like "i pay that cops salary and still got a ticket!"

P2W started with Plex.
Protesting now is kinda meh.
I really hope they do introduce T3 Frigs/ammo and such through the NeX store.
Ill buy one...either with plex or the market.

This NeX store is not a p2w button you know.
It is only p2w if the items are locked to a character.
Anyone can buy and sell on the open market. So everyone can participate.
Even the protestors.
And not trying to talk down to anyone or anything. If you are quitting just quit.




Cops are public sector. CCP is private.

Its not even remotely the same thing.


CCP is private and only a few thousand out of the hundreds of thousands accounts are whining.

Evet Morrel
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:20:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Evet Morrel on 26/06/2011 22:40:22
Your quite wrong chum, CCP have made a reputation out of the inmates running the asylum, being flexible and listening to us is a sign of strength. There is an assumption that CCP don't support what we're doing - this assumption is in my view unsubstantiated.

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:20:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Ayieka
jesus, does every anti-protest poster talk down to people?

To conceal the flaws in their logic.

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:21:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Edited by: Eleena Wolf on 26/06/2011 21:33:01
I agree with the outcome, though not the reasons the op has stated.

The damage has already been done, doubtful that ccp walks away with any credibility after this, as perception is reality.

I would like to believe the csm meeting will have a positive impact, but it is most likely too little too late.
Media has already hammered ccp reputation and continues to do so. Many players have already stated open distrust of ccp, this compounded by the lack an official response, has damaged ccp even further.

I see this ending in one of a few ways.

1. eve loses enough subscribers, they have no recourse but to make mt of the bad kind part of eve, in an attempt to stay profitable.

2. Pride gets the better of ccp, they decide to stay course as it were, ensuring an exodus of older players in hopes of attracting new players. a huge, HUGE, gamble at best.

3. Ccp decides to cut its losses and sells the rights to another developer or competitor, even this does not garuntee eve's existence as an mmo. many times when a game developer sells to another, the buying party buys the rights to the code. That has ensured many games never see the light of day again, be it in the form of a sequel or a remake, because the new owner can charge whatever they want for licensing, royalties and what not.

4. If somehow ccp survives this, they fix whats wrong, actually talk to the playerbase, and certain someone issues an apology, eve still exist possibly better than it was. This given the history is the least likely to happen.

I hope im wrong and outcome #4 happens, but until proven otherwise, I stand by what i said.


The first 3 of your points hinge on the idea that enough people will leave to impact CCP's bottom line. That's our primary disagreement. My opinion is that it won't happen.
But I have no hard data on the total number os subs CCP has at the moment, so I can't say for sure.
If the unsub number is high enough to make CCP worry, things will probably change. If it's not, things probably won't.

My bet at the moment is that the number isn't high enough.

Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:22:00 - [110]
 

I liked the ponies though ... Neutral

Anon Forumalt6858
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:24:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Anon Forumalt6858 on 26/06/2011 22:28:41
Originally by: Baillif


We have spais in their base.
Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs
We have better organizational capabilities from years of sov warfare
We are patient enough to siege for several days at a time on very little sleep
We are the monster of CCP's making


Ironically, this is both funny and true, which is why I have a similar sentiment in my signature.

We have an excellent understanding of propaganda, organization, character assassination, persistence, and endurance thanks to our experiences in Eve. I'm not exactly proud of every bit of what's been said by our community over the last few days, but it was all a means to an end and needed. War is hell, as the saying goes.

I just hope that the results of this CSM meeting are what we're looking for. I'm a bit concerned over the word 'compromise' being said, since as a playerbase, I don't really see us willing to make concessions on the issues dear to our hearts, but we shall see.

CCP placed us all into a sandbox that made us into hideous adversaries to have. The mistake they made was not realizing that fact. Of course, it may be too soon to speak in past tenses about it just yet, since we're still waiting to see our demands met.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:27:00 - [112]
 

So basically OP's idea is that if we protest they can't listen because they can't show they're weak.
Obviously if we don't protest, there's nothing to listen to anyway.

Therefore, we have absolutely nothing to lose by protesting and attempting to convey our opinions to CCP any way we can.

QED. Get off of the forums, moron.

C2 H5 OH
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:28:00 - [113]
 


OP is mad cause his Jita alt is missing on the .01 isk game.. *yawn*

Ramma Lamma DingDong
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:29:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Ramma Lamma DingDong on 26/06/2011 22:32:05
Originally by: Le Sabre


Going around shooting the playerbase you are trying to protect from bad design ideas is not going to help the protesters image really now is it?




Lol now they aren't just protesters but are our saviors as well.

Well thank god we have such rational, good willed people looking out for us against CCP and their evil empire. What would we do without them?

Edit to add: I also love how they would have us believe that the loss of a couple thousand accounts would mean the death of the game.

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:29:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858
Originally by: Baillif


We have spais in their base.
Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs
We have better organizational capabilities from years of sov warfare
We are patient enough to siege for several days at a time on very little sleep
We are the monster of CCP's making


Ironically, this is both funny and true, which is why I have a similar sentiment in my signature.

We have an excellent understanding of propaganda, organization, character assassination, persistence, and endurance thanks to our experiences in Eve. I'm not exactly proud of every bit of what's been said by our community over the last few days, but it was all a means to an end and needed. War is hell, as the saying goes.

I just hope that the results of this CSM meeting are what we're looking for. I'm a bit concerned over the word 'compromise' being said, since as a playerbase, I don't really see us willing to make concessions on the issues dear to our hearts, but we shall see.



Yeah, it's somehow scary hwo well organized and butthurting we as a whole can be if we want....

for now we just have to trust in the CSM that they'll find a good way for us and for CCP for the future,
we have no other option at the moment.

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:31:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: IRTEHAZN
i love the way ccp advertise this game as a player driven game


I'm sorry you bought into some marketing hype. If this were a truly player-controlled game/market, you wouldn't have to depend on CCP to designate which items can be manufactured and sold via BPs.

In a truly free, player controlled system, anyone would be free to invent whatever kind of ship with whatever stats they wanted and build them and fly them.

This is not and has never been the case.

The calls for freedom and player control are absurd. Those things never existed outside of CCP's careful economic guidance.

So yeah. Sorry about that one. You probably also think that the U.S. operates in a free market capitalist economy that's completely unaffected by external forces too. Umm, I've got some news for you . . . .

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:32:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 26/06/2011 22:32:32
Originally by: Baillif



We have spais in their base.

Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs

We have better organizational capabilities from years of sov warfare

We are patient enough to siege for several days at a time on very little sleep

We are the monster of CCP's making

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:35:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
...


We're not goddamn prisoners, we're customers. Your argument is fatally flawed at best.

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:35:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Eriam JH
Ooh, ooh... I like analogies! Can I play, too?




Great analogy! Some people suck at their jobs. Therefore everyone sucks at their jobs!!

Not only a great analogy, but a priceless bit of hasty generalization.

You win!

Blyghme
Gallente
Strohl Munitions
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:36:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Essentially, I think you and your 4 accounts are irrelevant to CCP. You should probably start accepting that.


I have 3 unsubbed accounts with gametime remaining, I know in the course of things that those 3 accounts are irrelevant to CCP however they, and the cash I pay monthly to keep them running, are relevant to me. That is what CCP needs to realise.

I unsubbed them on Saturday and do not plan to log into them before they expire. Depending on how this all pans out, it will be at least 3 months before I even contemplate coming back. All I am doing now regarding EVE is following this mess, and making the occasional post, as I have decided that another games company is more deserving of MY cash than CCP is at present.

If a business that I use makes changes that I do not like, then I will either voice my concerns to them, or find another one that supplies my needs. If enough people do the same thing, then the owners of that business might start to realise that their changes were not in the interests of their customers.

Individually 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 accounts quitting is irrelevant. It starts to get relevant when they happen for the same reasons, at the same time, you add all those together.


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