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Bayushi Tamago
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 - [31]
 

I think it would be interesting to have a glimpse into the discussion of the events etc of the past week seeing as we are all paying customers. Transparency is something CCP needs to do to regain some of the lost trust.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 - [32]
 

/signed!

Sceta
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 - [33]
 

Signed

Anna Grahm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
We don't trust you CCP


Speak for yourself.

Fire Watch
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 - [35]
 

Erm... the CSM does not represent the community.

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:06:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Anna Grahm
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
We don't trust you CCP


Speak for yourself.


He can speak for me.

Therefore, "we" is the correct usage, and "you" can tell "us" why "they" deserve that trust.

Markus Jome
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 - [37]
 

+

BolsterBomb
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 - [38]
 

broadcast live solves the problem

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 - [39]
 

I want the CSM to get off the plane and go to some terrible dive bar and get trashed, and live stream eating whale steaks.

SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 - [40]
 

would be nice

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
I want the CSM to get off the plane and go to some terrible dive bar and get trashed, and live stream eating whale steaks.


I also want them to do this while drinking imported cases of terrible American beer (like Steel Reserve or Natty ice), and all of them wearing real-life monocles. I will personally pay for the monocles if the CSMs are poor, but I know that mittens isn't so he should be good for his own monocle.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh


I don't trust you CCP and the CSM meeting is your last chance.


I wish you guys would stop speaking for everyone, because the amount of players logged in probably disagree with you.
Because people shouldn't use the services they payed for?

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 - [43]
 

ok reality check time

anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.

thats happening now

anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.

end of story.

saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.

and thus reduce the level of feedback

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:20:00 - [44]
 

meetings should definitely be made public. At this phase, transparency is utterly paramount.

Vector Aeon
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:20:00 - [45]
 

I don't really care about the NDA and the CSM meeting, but I do have a monocle.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:21:00 - [46]
 

And..

have everyone on their underwear.

NO PANTS!

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:21:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time

anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.

thats happening now

anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.

end of story.

saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.

and thus reduce the level of feedback

Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:25:00 - [48]
 

the fact that you feel the need of a CSM meeting to get this resolved somewhat means that there is stuff that you are attemting to hide again with the whole NDA the CSM is under and the fact that you seem more inclined to address them rather than everyone else that this really concerns, either this whole meeting is made open for public via EVE-TV or you make a transcript ( a FULL one) or this is just gunna put more fuel on the fire

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:25:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Aessaya on 26/06/2011 20:25:44
Well, tbh, CCP brought all of this "speculation" about the leaked documents on themselves. If they just went public straight after the docs were leaked, it would cause much less damage than it caused now. You know what happens if a fire is left unattended.

And yes, maximum publicity for this CSM meting, please. Its the CSM who are bound by the NDA, but if info is coming directly from CCP (or CCP-approved media) then it is not an NDA breech.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:26:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time

anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.

thats happening now

anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.

end of story.

saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.

and thus reduce the level of feedback

Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?


Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?

With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?

Mr Epeen Cool

Kalaarac
Le Souffle D'Erevos
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:26:00 - [51]
 

/agree

I don't know if it's acceptable/possible to dream about live stream or such. But yes revoke the nda would be a necessary action to give a chance to ccp to regain our trust.

i trust csm members to report through different channels(radio, report, etc ...) wht will be said and decided.

Sry for my english

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:28:00 - [52]
 

Exactly as per the AT, screen it live to everyone.

Signed

Noriko Meigetsu
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:29:00 - [53]
 

Yup, totally agree to that.


XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:36:00 - [54]
 

The only reason they would want an NDA is if they have something to hide at this point, full transparency is the only option.

Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:39:00 - [55]
 

/signed, and would totally buy a monocle if this were to happen.

Don't think it will though.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:40:00 - [56]
 

Supported.

P0le Dancer
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:41:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time

anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.

thats happening now

anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.


end of story.

saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.

and thus reduce the level of feedback

Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?


Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?

With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?

Mr Epeen Cool

Your stupidity is staggering. To suggest that ccp is going to delete thousands of accounts just because those paying customers disagree with the corporate direction is naive at best. Conversely, those thousands of accounts can simply quit and deny ccp the revenue they crave, can they do the same to us? I'll still have a job and you'll still live in your moms basement, so no, they can't dictate ****.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:50:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: P0le Dancer
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Steve Thomas
ok reality check time

anything they tell the CSMs in public will be things that they want or feel safe releasing to the public.

thats happening now

anything they dont want to tell the CSMs. . . they bloody will not tell the CSMs unless they have a binding nda.


end of story.

saying make them live will not realy change that, they will just not tell the csms anything they dont want made public.

and thus reduce the level of feedback

Have you ever considered that CCP is not in a position to dictate anything anymore?


Have considered that it is actually you who is in no position to dictate anything?

With a few keystrokes, CCP can make you disappear forever. Can you do the same to them?

Mr Epeen Cool

Your stupidity is staggering. To suggest that ccp is going to delete thousands of accounts just because those paying customers disagree with the corporate direction is naive at best. Conversely, those thousands of accounts can simply quit and deny ccp the revenue they crave, can they do the same to us? I'll still have a job and you'll still live in your moms basement, so no, they can't dictate ****.
qft

Ded Moroz
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 - [59]
 

while the idea is great, it might actually hinder negotiations. NDAs are there for a reason, main being protection of the company, mainly from competition.

It would be completely impossible to have these negotiations be public, because inevitably some ideas that CCP might use for competitive advantage in the industry would become public. Having this much information out in public could be very bad also, because we all know how information can be used out of context by malicious parties.

Now a live discussion with CSM/DEVs after negotiations are complete on something like eve radio or IRC chan would be absolutely great.

Jayem See
Caldari
Alien Ruffneck Force
Ignes Immortalis
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 - [60]
 

+1 Get it out live and lets hear the nitty-gritty truth. We're not idiots so don't treat us as such. Time for a bit of face-saving.


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