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Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:08:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Tony 2fingers
Edited by: Tony 2fingers on 27/06/2011 17:04:03
Remove the NEX all together.

The reason i say this, is that every P2P game that has added a MT store, has always, in every case started the way NEX has, so called VANITY ITEMS. Within a year all these mt stores have so called "Power Items" for sale.

The company always states "just vanity" or "no Plans", and yet they wind up doing it.

Removal is the only way that we can be reassured that it will never happen, otherwise, just get use to the idea that we as players are being slowly conditioned to except the inevitable.

I really do hope CCP proves all of us wrong.



This... and then some.

Darryl Ward
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:12:00 - [122]
 


Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe

Posted - 2011.06.27 18:19:00 - [123]
 

I support this thing

Mehta Mezhan
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:22:00 - [124]
 

Signed.

Manique
Caldari
Ominous Corp

Posted - 2011.06.27 21:21:00 - [125]
 

/signed

Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar
TotalControl Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:19:00 - [126]
 

Shocked

Skipius
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:26:00 - [127]
 

Signed

Montague Summers
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:29:00 - [128]
 

The noble exchange and vanity products are sickening bull**** of the highest order. This game is going to hell like a rocket.

Kile Kitmoore
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:51:00 - [129]
 


jade rio
Caldari
E-ON Developments
ESSANCE OF ESCALATION
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:59:00 - [130]
 

yes

T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:28:00 - [131]
 

The other poll is exaclty this Whitehound.
The original post was made BEFORE there were any microtransactions other than Plex.


Deliceous
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:45:00 - [132]
 

sorry I can't tie CCP's hands to compete in the current market.
This Micro Transaction is an opt out option I don't have to pay for.

60$ Monical - Dam Right!- how else are you going to limit the popularity of an item. Any other suggestions in Making an Item Rare.

The only mistake CCP made was not to include some penny purchase items.

I am all for micro transaction to open up NPC services, like Character moving between account or other NPC services, as long as Plex is involved so No one is left out in the cold.

If you are worried about People being able to buy a win... You are 4 years too late, since 2007 a person has been able to exchange Timecodes for Titans.

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:28:00 - [133]
 

This thread is clearly shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. But +1 anyway.

Madenofpain
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:41:00 - [134]
 

Get rid of the nex store to show that you are listening to the players.

Elyon Itari
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:57:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Elyon Itari on 28/06/2011 05:58:34

Yes.

Originally by: T'Amber
[...] because you pay a set fee each month [...] you should have access to all the options and features ingame that everyone else gets


I will not support any development that makes any part of EVE in any way inaccessible to anyone with a subscription, this includes vanity-only stuff.

Furthermore, the half-"we're still doing the right thing because you can sell vanity items on the market" is - in my opinion - much worse than not selling them on the market, as this is a direct injection of value into the otherwise completely (save for a few NPC items) player-driven market.

I oppose of any form of Microtransactions (in EVE, not in general) making any part of the game available only to those that participate in MT (either directly through $ -> PLEX -> AUR -> Item, or indirectly through ISK -> PLEX -> AUR -> Item).

Any in-game change requiring a microtransaction to be made at some point is not only against the spirit of what New Eden has become, but inherently limits the game for those not engaged in these transactions.

Finally, making any game content (vanity or otherwise) available solely through microtransactions gives the developers a very notable incentive to create sub-optimal free content;

I would be interested in flying a specifically branded ship - like the Scorpion Ishukone Watch - but making these skins/vanity options (not even minding the economy implications of providing BPCs, BPOs or even ships being injected into the market) require microtransations means I may be forced to fly a sub-optimally skinned (subjective) Scorpion, knowing full well that a more interestingly skinned Scorpion exists in the game I pay for, only it is not accessible unless I (or someone else) pays $ for it.

... I really am not able to put my concerns regarding any MT in EVE into any concise form, and as such some points are vaguely described. and most points not even mentioned.

This post will have to do, for now.


To reiterate:

Yes, I want microtransactions removed altogether.

drunken wench
Posted - 2011.06.28 06:04:00 - [136]
 


Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:21:00 - [137]
 

Excluding PLEX because it is the lesser of two evils makes no sense, it is either or.
PLEX made a huge difference to me as I can play/enjoy the game and "pay" for it at the same time .. but the fact remains that PLEX represent the ability of RL rich people essentially being able to buy ISK and by extension advantage.
PS: Note that the proposed MT is vanity only so technically that should be considered the lesser evil as it does not provide an unfair advantage to users.
Originally by: Whitehound
I do not believe in any kind of gain coming from micro transactions for us....

Directly, perhaps not. But 'giving' CCP a secondary revenue stream will allow them to do more for the game as a whole .. kind of like banning pesticides, no immediate benefit for the individual but mitigates pollution of fresh water supply to the benefit of all.

Giving the militias uniforms .. "u mad?!"
That would be the ultimate insult, like handing out eating utensils to starvation victims .. just sayin' Smile

Amanda Keyes
Posted - 2011.06.28 07:45:00 - [138]
 

Introducing micro-transactions circumvents the basic player-driven sandbox economy that made EVE the great and unique game it is. Definitely remove for me too.

Zoroa Aulx-Gao
Koa Mai Hoku
Destiny Corrupted.
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:45:00 - [139]
 


Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:47:00 - [140]
 

No to MT

Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
Truth and Reconciliation Council
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:48:00 - [141]
 

No microtransactions, ever!

Chingyz
Caldari
Perkone

Posted - 2011.06.28 08:53:00 - [142]
 

Microtransactions goes against the concept of a player driven economy. I had looked forward to both Incarna and Dust 514 as means to create new professions and new ways to expand on the excellent economy of EVE, however with this move I think CCP is moving away from the player driven economy which will hollow out a major part of EVE.

ScreenWipe
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:56:00 - [143]
 

-1

not supported

Lord Timelord
GETCO
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:59:00 - [144]
 

YES

Elyon Itari
Posted - 2011.06.28 09:07:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Excluding PLEX because it is the lesser of two evils makes no sense, it is either or.

PLEX is the lesser evil of 1) redistributing ISK to players spending $, and 2) RMT/botting.

Putting players in direct competition with RMT/botting is - in my opinion - the single best argument for having PLEX in the first place; players with no scruples have always been able to buy ISK from botters/RMTs.

With PLEX, the majority of these sales now happen legitimately between players, and CCP gets a share as well (as opposed to the RMTs/botters).

The ability for players to buy their subscription from other players (who bought a subscription voucher from CCP) using in-game currency - meaning you can play without personally paying $ - is a nice added effect of the anti-RMT/botting initiative.

The redistribution of ISK towards $-wealthier people is a (very) unfortunate consequence of PLEX, but in my opinion this consequence is outweighed by the resultingreduction in RMT/botting.

The ability to obtain a subscription voucher with in-game currency is an interesting bonus, with an unfortunate yet necessary consequence.


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PS: Note that the proposed MT is vanity only so technically that should be considered the lesser evil as it does not provide an unfair advantage to users.

What is vanity MT the lesser evil of, exactly?

Vanity MT is not a necessity, it is not unavoidable, nor does it actually solve an issue.

Quite the contrary; instead of having vanity content available to every subscriber, you must pay additional $ (or someone else must) for content that could just as easily have been available through the gameplay already present, without the need of microtransactions.


If you consider non-vanity MT to be the greater evil, I must ask why the option no MT is not even considered.

The only reason any MT content would be necessary/unavoidable (only thereby giving relevance to the question of the lesser evil) is if CCP are not currently financially capable of developing EVE Online.

If this truly is the case, the evils to be considered include a number of options (not limited to these few, of course):


  1. CCP slowing down or stopping development/support of EVE Online

  2. Player-destroyed significant PLEX quantities (liberating CCP from subscription voucher liabilities)

  3. Subscription fee $ increase

  4. CCP successfully accepting good-faith donations (already indirectly possible through destruction of PLEX)

  5. Providing vanity microtransactions

  6. Providing convenience microtransactions

  7. Providing game-affecting microtransactions



Personally (and it cannot be stressed enough that this is my personal opinion), evil #3 is the most appealing to me while still being probable.

Evils #2 and #4 would be wonderful, but are most like very unsustainable.

#1 is extremely sad - and hands-down the greatest evil on the list.

#5 is only very conditionally acceptable to me, but still problematic - not to mention much less preferred than other options.

I could see #6 being likely, but only ever acceptable (to me) insofar as conveniences are also equally available through in-game means - without depending on PLEX or other $-paid things.

Finally, #7 would ruin the game for me, and I would most likely see myself forced (through principle/ideology) to cease playing.


TL;DR
If CCP are having financial trouble, I would not mind an increased subscription fee - or even destroying an additional PLEX each time I consume one.

I would mind any form of microtransaction being added (something that - sadly - has already happened).

If CCP are not having financial trouble, there is no necessity (and no player-catering reason) to introduce content as microtransaction (and not regular) goods.


- I should probably start my own thread. -

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze

Posted - 2011.06.28 09:27:00 - [146]
 

I would like them removed completely, but I doubt that would happen.

Sobaan Tali
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:18:00 - [147]
 

REMOVE IT, NOW!!! It is too much a risk for Eve to have MT! I would settle for clothes and paint jobs for ships as MARKET items, but NEX has to go, period.

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:57:00 - [148]
 

Signed in the blood of cancelled accounts.

Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:04:00 - [149]
 

+1 to the NO MT at all ever for ever and ever vote.

Randal Eirikr
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:15:00 - [150]
 

+1


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