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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [211]
 

You did not answer:

Will non-vanity items be sold for Aurum?

Gold ammo sounds like a vanity item.
More time waste, bs and delays.
And funniest thing is, whoever leaked the internal stuff is more passionate about eve and its community then you ever was, or will be Zulu.

SunTsu Rae
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [212]
 

An open Letter to the CPP management. Evil or Very Mad

You are NOT the ones that should be driving how we play.

Why? Look at your pay checks. They are written on our REAL LIFE money.

Break the game , and we break YOUR bank.

The interaction with 0.0 is decided by the player, the one who pays on the account, and should not ever be dictated by the application writers.

Quickbooks tried that, and it cost them market share.

Take the hint. Evil or Very Mad

We make the choices, and we can choose to go elsewhere in quantity if we see you reduce quality.

Maybe it is time for a review by the Investors of the books, overall business practices and future direction. Evil or Very Mad

If you prefer your clientele to only be pubescent teenagers, and college kids, continue to destroy the economics and abundance of play styles.

The result will be a slightly above average, internet based, application eqivalent to a console game, instead of the thriving community and economy.

I used to recruit for the adventure of Eve: Online.

I guess I will hold off on that.Evil or Very Mad

moola
Band Of Frogs
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [213]
 

CSM blah blah, free PR blah blah, we had a extraordinary CSM meeting blah blah, New Eden set to rights via CSM blah blah, free PR blahh blahh.

I can understand they dont want to wade thru all the posts, but the points have been stated and still not addressed, why CSM? free press that is all.

YOU DONT NEED A CSM MEETING HERE IS THE INFORMATION YOU NEED
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html


dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Darik Jita
what you do, not what you say

Jofeder
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Jofeder on 26/06/2011 18:59:17
At least now we're not waiting for CCP statements anymore, but CSM's. If after the meeting the CSM says "it's over" than it is.

Dibble Dabble
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Angeliq

No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc??




I want these items. Dont really care if you dont. MT is optional.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist

Norebert
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [217]
 

Progress - we'll watch what you do, not what you say.

Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [218]
 

Much better. This should have been up a few days ago ;).

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: syrus mac

He has said nothing and done nothing to answer the questions put to him only giving a patronising apology to try and calm the masses.


Isn't this what we wanted? Not words that we would feel were lies, but actions? Flying the CSM out there for one issue on short notice feels like actions to me. I'm still waiting to hear what happens, but this is a step in the right direction. If CCP isn't given a chance, then they have no reason to listen to us.

Arxa Atram
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Arxa Atram on 26/06/2011 19:00:54
get rid of the noble exchange or aurum and we'll believe u that there is no threat to subsonly.
i think it's ok to buy expensive (and useless) things for isk for some people, but aurum is just way too much suspicious
and yeah, **** sony

Carai an'Caldazar
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [221]
 

Edited by: Carai an''Caldazar on 26/06/2011 18:59:59
Thank you CCP Zulu for your response.

I, and I imagine many like me, are eagerly awaiting news back from the CSM council in Iceland. We have spent countless hours living in your universe, and as you can see have very strong feelings about how we want it to evolve.

We honestly want you, the developer, to be on our side regarding how the universe grows and changes. The more the CSM council is kept in the loop, the more we believe this to be true. The more they are listened to, the more we come to believe that you are listening to us and our thoughts and concerns.

We honestly want to give you (and by you I mean all the developers and CCP) the benefit of the doubt in the future when news arises that seems contradictory to our belief that you have the best interests of the community in mind. We, the community, simply ask that you be honest and quick in your responses - as in how the response to the rumor that CCP was in buyout discussions was handled. We ask that you respond before we arise together to a fevered pitch, and we ask that you tell us the truth - no matter how you think that might be perceived.

Support us, the player base, and think of us not as your cash crop but your friends and loyal followers and we will help you grow your game into the foreseeable future!

~Carai an'Caldazar
Pod Pilot since 2007

P.S. If you ever do sell out, please don't sell to SOE... everything besides Everquest that they touch turns to crap Wink

Pacifica Dace
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Rhivre
Gold Ammo is a reference to cash shop items, dammit, I thought half of eve played world of tanks?

I'm of the half that does not play WoT, but I still got the reference. I'd still prefer the answer in plain English, but this is encouraging.

Originally by: Debbie DoesDallas
This is a good start. The fact they are flying the CSM out on short notice means they are taking this issue seriously.

Time for folks to dial it down and see what comes out of the CSM Summit.


Also encouraging.

Damodreda Makura
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 - [223]
 

Another bul**** empty word that have dangerous meaning. Why CCP $1000_Pants can't just say there won't be any MT for non-vanity items? Because he know how much they still wan't to have them. It's just stalling and making us a fools again. So they NEED to meat with CSM to admit that they won't make T20 s**t official business?


I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our greed lizards do and less of what they say.
- CCP Greed









Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 - [224]
 

As others before me have said, I'll watch what you do, not what you say.

I'm going to try out Perpetuum tonight and see how that plays out. Sounds like EVE when I first joined many years ago -- bit rough around the edges but the most of the right pieces in the right places.

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 - [225]
 

There should also be a video or stream of the CSM meeting. It is time to be totally open with us CCP

Azaris Rubernis
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 - [226]
 

Thank you for the blog.

I still don't understand why people continue raging, trolling, being sarcastic etc...
I'm not against vanity items... I'd just like to see cheaper prices, that's it.

I hope your meeting with CSM will bring some good news for all, and that people will finally stop to spend more time on forum than in game.

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 26/06/2011 19:01:57
Originally by: BeanBagKing

Flying the CSM out there for one issue on short notice feels like actions to me. I'm still waiting to hear what happens, but this is a step in the right direction. If CCP isn't given a chance, then they have no reason to listen to us.

There is absolutely nothing that CCP can discuss with the CSM in Iceland in a week's time that they coudldn't discuss with them via skype over the last few days.

CCP are hoping that by announcing they refuse to discuss the issues until then that everyone will calm down and carry on and ignore the veritable piles of **** CCP have heaped upon them in the past few days. And then post some weasel-worded document at the end of the week that amounts to "we're carrying on anyway, but this time we got the CSM drunk enough to agree!".

Muchless
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
Comments:
Tone: Much better and more serious. Mocking customers is not a good idea.
Content: Request for a cease fire until they can run their real goals past the CSM. Note, this will most likely backfire but will provide delicious drama for another week.
Subtext: Denying Gold Ammo is a nice way of avoiding everything else that was in that article, such as Aurum for extra fitting slots.
Analysis: They still can't admit to what they're planning to do but are now willing to compromise on certain items if they can screw the CSM over, and failing that, make cutbacks on their plans.
Conclusion: They really, really, don't want you to carry on cancelling your subs.
Recommendation: Cancel your subs.



Very Good Plan Sir, I 100% support, -2 subs

Spacing Cowboy
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [229]
 

cease fire seems to be in order for now


No pressior on the CSM's .. at all :p



Naitrayera
Arthashastra
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [230]
 

Will there ever be non-vanity items for aur in eve ?

If yes?

Will those items be brought in game from thin air (like you wanted to bring in that ishukone scorpion)?

Or will it be more like LP store where you get bpc-s, ammo, modules by trading in some money and modules and stuff?

If the answer is second one, than maybe this could be pulled out to work, if answer is the first one than eves economy will die first than the game, period.

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [231]
 

I grant you a ceasefire. The result of 30th, 1`st will tell if its over.

I will not resub before after the 1`st of july, when we have some final word from CCP and the CSM

Remember. The revolution was not fueled by hate, it was fueled by the love to the game....

Azz

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [232]
 

Somewhat better.

But STILL didn't answer the damn question.

You know where the line in the sand has been drawn, and you don't need a ****-up with the CSM before you admit to us on which side you are planning to dance.

You are banking on strong-arming the CSM into giving you a validation for decisions that you obviously have already made, and like Zymurgust, you'll take a selective memory on the discussion when you then try to force through changes that you already know we won't accept.

My accounts are still cancelled and you still stand on the precipice.

Choose you next move wisely......

Dibble Dabble
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: SunTsu Rae
An open Letter to the CPP management. Evil or Very Mad

You are NOT the ones that should be driving how we play.

Why? Look at your pay checks. They are written on our REAL LIFE money.

Break the game , and we break YOUR bank.

The interaction with 0.0 is decided by the player, the one who pays on the account, and should not ever be dictated by the application writers.

Quickbooks tried that, and it cost them market share.

Take the hint. Evil or Very Mad

We make the choices, and we can choose to go elsewhere in quantity if we see you reduce quality.

Maybe it is time for a review by the Investors of the books, overall business practices and future direction. Evil or Very Mad

If you prefer your clientele to only be pubescent teenagers, and college kids, continue to destroy the economics and abundance of play styles.

The result will be a slightly above average, internet based, application eqivalent to a console game, instead of the thriving community and economy.

I used to recruit for the adventure of Eve: Online.

I guess I will hold off on that.Evil or Very Mad


Some of us would like MT to work. If you dont want MT then dont buy it. I like the idea of MT, its optional. Your just another lemming ******.

Fractal Muse
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [234]
 

Oh my.

Who's brilliant plan is it to go the 'no communication' route?

Take the fire. Take the heat. Burn a bit. And walk away with a head held high that you interacted with your playerbase.

Putting everything on hold won't help your situation. Waiting another week will not help.

Goodness. Just come clean with what you are planning on doing and be done with it. Let the market decide if it likes your idea or not.

The more you play the shady, disingenuous, inept role... the more people will leave. Who can take a company that rolls out an expansion and then claims that they don't even know what they are doing seriously at this point?


Sinitron
Caldari
Sinister Electronics
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [235]
 

Not re-subbing for this.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/06/2011 19:05:46

"no gold ammo" is a reference to the game World of Tanks (which is very popular among the 0.0 crowd).

In that game ammo that can only be bought with the MT currency (gold) has much better armor penetration than the "regular" ammo.


IMO "no gold ammo" does at the very least mean "no non-vanity items that give a direct advantage in pvp" but interpretations may vary.

The Mittani uses the term "gold ammo" the following way (I credit him with popularizing that term within the CSM and at CCP but have ofc no idea if that's true; but he loves catchphrases):
Quote:
The controversy is the shadow lurking behind the monocle, hinted at in the Greed is Good newsletter: gold in the sandbox, a "pay to win" gold-ammo situation in EVE.
[...]
I and the rest of the CSM have been extremely blunt in our demands that CCP issue a formal disavowal of 'gold ammo', non-vanity microtransactions, or otherwise bleeding gold into the sandbox of EVE.


How CCP understands that term is something we will hopefully see after July, 1st.

I am particularly concerned about

* ships/items that are weaker than their non-MT counterparts but unique (e.g. I could imagine that CCP might want to release the Tornado via the NeX as some sort of tier 2.5 battleship, weaker than the tier3 battleships - Abaddon, Maelstrom, ... - but unique enough to attract customers nonetheless)

* services like "PLEX for Remap"


yumike
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [237]
 

The devblog is little different then the previous, You again dodge the question. Okay so there won't be "gold ammo" what are you going to call it then? OMGWTFBBQ ammo?

I can't speak for everyone, But I don't put any more faith in something the CSM says then what any other player says. You obviously have Evasive Maneuvering V trained.

Lilliana Stelles
Caldari
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [238]
 

I'm happy with this blog. Really, it's quite a step forward (and a step down) for you to address the community on such a personal level. I honestly didn't expect this from you guys. If I were CEO, I'd just say "F*** it, we can find new players". But I feel you guys still know what keeps Eve apart.

I'm okay with the virtual goods so long as they benefit the community more than they hurt it. I just hope that everything goes well between you and CSM. Thank you for listening to your players.

colera deldios
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Rhivre
Gold Ammo is a reference to cash shop items, dammit, I thought half of eve played world of tanks?


If this is what was meant, why hasn't Zulu taken the few seconds to confirm this considering the amount of confusion?


Metungaawten Liqouragain
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 - [240]
 

As tempers have been flared on both sides it seems, perhaps as a measure of goodwill on your part, perhaps you would consider unbanning any accounts suspended/banned due to 'inflamed tone', and instead issue a warning.

At least one player i know of was banned due to simply being upset at this situation.


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