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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [181]

Edited by: RutilusUnus on 26/06/2011 18:54:35
I'll be contacting all of the CSM.


Largo Coronet
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [182]

You twerps backpedal any harder and you'll be able to set land speed records at Bonneville Salt Flats.

Meanwhile, somewhere in Seattle, Gabe Newell of Valve is floating on a pool lounge, water glistening off his bloated manbreasts while he dines on Moon Pies and Dr. Pepper (with real sugar). He hears of what you've done, and he's laughing, while nubile women prepare to give him his daily nude massage. All because of hats. And actually trying to please customers...

But don't worry, I hear rotten shark is coming down in price this season.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [183]

Originally by: Gnulpie
At least a tiny tiny tiny step into the right direction.

Are you familiar with the phrase 'one step forward, two steps back' ?

i to ~want to believe~ but their obviously not addressing the question of non-vanity items. they beat around the bush with the 'gold ammo' comment.

at least we know those of us that cancelled our subs were joined by others. this blog is a direct reaction to us speaking with our walles

too little ccp. you have to EARN my trust back if you want me to resub ever again. and that will require assurances you obviously won't make.

you and I both know the business decision has been made and your not going back. you're just trying to be very careful not to let the frogs realize the water will soon be boiling

Atai Pekoe
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [184]

Thanks guys! :-)

can we please all start playing our beloved game again?!!! PLEASE???!! ^^

Meiyang Lee
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [185]

Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 26/06/2011 18:56:57
Thank you for the blog, it wasn't entirely the answer we wanted, but it is a step in the right direction.

I will watch, and wait for CCPs actions to speak for you CCP Zulu.
Do not ignore the CSMs opinion on this, they were chosen to speak for us for a reason.

My account will remain cancelled for now, the 70 days of time left on it will allow you to clean up this mess you created somewhat.
Then I'll see what my actions will be.

Remember what happened here, your players are watching you, and breaking their trust can cost you very dearly indeed.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [186]

@Trebor Daehdoow, Seleene, Mittens and the rest of the CSM:

When you get to Iceland, state unequivocally that:

1) Doing things outside of the CSM knowing (Nex prices) or completely ignoring the CSM (last dev blog) is a massive no-no and not only undermines the entire point of the CSM, but upsets the playerbase even more.

2) Full removal of the NeX store is the only way to fully go back and make up for this sheer sh*tstorm and restore the trust of the playerbase due to it being the only way to remove shadow of P2W that will now loom over EvE (actions speak louder than words).

3) It should always have been Space->Hanger->(optional) Captains Quarters+WiS, and it needs to be implemented as such due to CCP's own lore. It's especially important due to the performance issues people have been having and the fact the release of CQ is only 25% complete. It's up to CCP to develop features in CQ/WiS that want to make us leave the pods (they are planning on this anyway)

4) Communication needs to be improved massively. The current rules about Dev's not being able to speak their minds needs to be chucked out the window and the rules about not speaking on topics they don't know relaxed so that people can at least put some blue bars and go "I'll find out for you from the proper scrum team".

5) The Playerbase needs concrete information on what CCP's plans are with Incarna and it's expansions, and *needs* to find out what CCP are doing to fix the big problems with the core spaceship game.

I'll EvEmail this as well to the CSM members as I suspect you'll miss this.

Debbie DoesDallas
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [187]

This is a good start. The fact they are flying the CSM out on short notice means they are taking this issue seriously.

Time for folks to dial it down and see what comes out of the CSM Summit.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [188]

Gold Ammo is a reference to cash shop items, dammit, I thought half of eve played world of tanks?

Wakana Kakuta
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [189]

Whiners will whine and haters will hate. People who have never assumed responsibility or have never had to take a business decision - as is the case with most of the benefits supported EVE community - will never know how tough it is to run a business. They will whine no matter what you do.

Good step forward CCP Zulu

Integra Arkanheld
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [190]

It is a good decision to talk again to the council.
I hope that everything will be solved and people will stop complaining for something that is still not here, and concentrate on the game.
We all have time to quit the game if it changes in a bad way, but for the moment it is a great game, and it is better to play than to argue.

Renan Ruivo
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [191]

Originally by: Darik Jita
what you do, not what you say

Vance Armistice
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [192]

Taking my fingers off the autocannon triggers for now but still have you yellow boxed Zulu (in game jargon not meant to infer a physical threat in the real world, don't ban me bro!)

We will be watching what you do..not what you say.

Speaking of which, how is Hilmar?

p.s. I will be waiting for my gratis Ishukone Watch Scorpion, I hear you have some lying around and considering the level of stress we have been put through I think distributing them is justified. Thing is I only fly minmatar... Twisted Evil

Lilith Velkor
Heretic Army
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 - [193]

However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess many of us assumed/hoped that was the case when reading your earlier blog.

However circling the question did do its part in fueling the fire, you could have spared the poor forum mods a lot of grief by being a bit more clear.

Btw, can I file a reimbursement petition for all the stuff that I will probably not receive from ragequitting buddies now? I mean, its technically not my fault Laughing

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 - [194]

no gold ammo ? ok

gold guns ? gold lazors ? gold hardeners?

**** u ccp we are not stupid

X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 - [195]

This is progress and I'm glad to see CCP acknowledge the alarm felt by the community in recent days.

I can't help but feel the most of this could have been avoided if CCP had paid more attention to the CSM from the outset when deciding how to shape its response to the leaked document and email. Communication must be high on the CSM's agenda.

I look forward to reading a report from the CSM's visit to Iceland.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 - [196]

A friend who has been trawling through these forums more than i have has said he has picked up on the general feeling of delaying tactics by ccp and there are worries that ccp may try to bully the members of CSM into accepting MT's

CSM, DO NOT let this happen, during that meeting you are the voice of the community, anything other than utter refusal on non vanity items will go against EVERYTHING the community and the prostests ingame have been fighting for.

Do the right thing so yourselfs and the rest of us can get back to enjoying this game.

Siren 4
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 - [197]

Would it not be an idea to host atleast part of this meeting by way of a live feed so we the players can see what is happening first hand. It would help repair some of the trust that has been lost.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 - [198]

You only said "gold ammo".

So does that mean I will be able to buy a booster that increases my rate of fire by 10% for a month? (only $9.99!)

syrus mac
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [199]

I don't know why people are saying "thank you" to Zulu, sounds like he's spent the last hour in with CCP's legal team going over the wording of this last offering!

He has said nothing and done nothing to answer the questions put to him only giving a patronising apology to try and calm the masses.

Many people more eloquent than I have spelled out the points that need addressing, until I see a bulleted list with the answers to specific questions in non legal bull**** form I'm not gonna be happy!

Xionis Zeshun
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [200]

"then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum"

That's great and all, but what about in 6 months? Next year? 2 years? For the length of time this post took to get out here, it sure is short, full of empty platitudes, and noncommitments.

Disappointed in what was once one of my most respected gaming corps.

Looking forward to the July 1st post, but at this point my expectations could not get lower.

Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [201]

Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 18:58:14

No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc??

Will it be pink ammo, or wenge ammo, magenta ammo, maybe saumon fonce ammo?

colera deldios
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [202]

So, this blog opens with apologies and a seemingly geniune interest in re-building your destroyed trust and reputation with us, and then use a deliberately vague phrase such as "gold ammo".

If by "gold ammo" you meant "performance enhancements" why haven't you responded to the multitude of people asking you to clarify this.

Is it because it is YET ANOTHER attempt at deceiving us?

Do you think this is wise considering the circumstances?

The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [203]

I realize this won't likely get read under the wave of responses.

To CCP, thanks for an answer that doesnt tell your customers to p*ss off. This is a decent step.

As others have parroted from your CEO, now the action part matters as your words come a bit late and therefore will only buy so much time.

My accounts will remain unsubscribed until I see and judge those actions, but now I'll log on.

Plus, this crap made me into a forum troll - if for no other reason, please make it so I don't need to follow these forums closely. I think it was better that way for everyone involved.

Mirage Excelsior
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [204]

Always a cynic, but:

We get an apology and a request for parley (IE, sit down, stfu, wait but asked nicely)

Now, we get another apology, and asked to wait again.

I personally struggle to see how this isnt Pann's post reworded.

You did however make the effort on a Sunday, that in itself is rare, thus appreciated.

I also believe the CSM's views reflect mainly the views of those around them ingame, though as someone else said, atleast it is an olive branch.

tl;dr - What you do, not what you say.

Randal Eirikr
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [205]

Originally by: Ghoest
Ill watch what you do not what you say.

Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [206]

Edited by: Maul555 on 26/06/2011 18:58:02
Thank you Zulu. This is a good start and thank you for saying straight up that there will be no gold ammo. This is a proper response! I look forward to the CSM meeting...

And BTW people... going to the CSM is what they should be doing... They are there to cut through the noise of thousands of players...

/pitchfork deactivated

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [207]

This blog did nothing to help, CCP.

#1 Recent lies to players, and ignoring CSM
- Havn't addressed that issue, so by inviting CSM over to talk does not solve anything whatsoever. For all we know you can and will still lie to us, and ignore CSM.

#2 Will you sell non-Vanity items
- No anwer to that question, just dodging it by saying there will be no gold ammo, so for all we know you can and will still do this. And even if you stated you wouldn't, for all we know you are still lying, #1 is your major issue right now. MT or not is just a matter of opinions, it's not gamebreaking - until you add non-vanity items, in which case it becomes gamebreaking and a major issue. The first is just cosmetic, the difference should be quite clear.

#3 CQ-related discussions
- To CQ or not is a matter of opinions. Some will like it, some won't, there's nothing more to it. If you decide to have "the Door" temporary and then force everyone to use CQ, you will **** players off, but it's ultimately your choice. What really matters is #1 + #2.

** So how do you go about to win back trust? **
- We know CSM didn't give the transparency as promised years back. CSM needs to be removed as step one, waste of cash and obvious you don't care about it.
- Second off the lying staff you have, have to take the consequences. That means, CEO is ultimately responsible and has been part of this. Hilmar has to go. There's no way around this, anymore, you have pulled it too far.
- Zulu really has either been pulled in a leash to run other peoples business, or he has been lying to players as well. This need to be addressed. He needs a reprimand or to step down.

That's pretty simple and straightforward. Nothing unreasonable or trolling about it. If I was a shareholder and had interest in the company (financially, not just by it being my favourite hobby for the past soon decade), I would demand what's above. Would you keep shopping with a company that had a management that repeatedly lied to you and went behind your back?

There's no other way to win back the players trust, and that's issue #1.

Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 - [208]

I can tell you that this is one of the moments where I look at what CCP do and less of what they say.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [209]

For those who think gold ammo just means gold ammo

World of tanks gold stuff

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 - [210]

Originally by: Hiryu Jin
What a crock of ****. Seems like CCP trying to buy some time to let the community cool down. CCP doesn't give a **** about the CSM.

This is exactly what's going on. There is absolutely nothing that CCP can discuss with the CSM in Iceland in a week's time that they coudldn't discuss with them via skype over the last few days.

CCP are hoping that by announcing they refuse to discuss the issues until then that everyone will calm down and carry on and ignore the veritable piles of ship CCP have heaped upon them in the past few days. And then post some weasel-worded document at the end of the week that amounts to "we're carrying on anyway, but this time we got the CSM drunk enough to agree!".

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