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Fran Crick
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [151]

No "gold ammo" does not mean no "game changing non-vanity items"!

4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [152]

Well, you could have replaced the words "gold ammo" with "non-vanity items". But didn't

Good luck to the CSM, ya'll are gonna need it

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [153]

Still dont see answer to question: are you going to go beyond vanity items in NEX?

And when it comes to trust issues, we trust you none anymore. Theres no reason. Year ago it was promised that microtransaction would not come in any form on eve, now we have them. Lies, damn lies from ccp representatives.

If your ever going to rebuild that trust, you petter put your actions where the mouth/keyboard is.

It took us players two days of lockdown of major market hubs and makeing big headlines on internet to force you even contact CSM. CSM that was at your disposal to difuse this situation before it even started. Why didint you? Why did you bypass CSM so totally?

How i feel is that ccp has forgotten then we are the ones that pays this game. We pay so ccp would continue to maintain and develop it more. I understand progress, but CQ is something digged from beta box, im shamed to call this expansion. What happened to all those other features that were promised to be iterated? Soverinity, wormholes, science&industry, etc...

Personally i have 4 accounts, with about 30 days on each of them, you have that time to start fixing the damn game. First restore old hanger view as alternative to CQ, eve takes now fordiculess amounts of time just to load up. You did promise incarna would be optional, so make it so damn you.

Thanks to sm2 drop im no longer able to play with my laptop withc happens to be 1 year old, so thanks alot for that. Thank god my desktop is still able to play Real EvE, not that cq bull****.

Good luck on your emergency meeting with CSM, hope you get results that makes me reconsider voteing with my wallet. Eve was unique game, i hope it keeps being that in future. Dont become like everyother mmo outhere, in your own field you have no competition. Just make the game osome and fix bugs it has and word of mouth handles rest.

If its money issue, then maybe you should cut back on developing those other titles so much. This camels back can hold only so much. We pay for eve, becouse we love it. think about that for second.

Mynt Sierra
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [154]

Originally by: Darik Jita
what you do, not what you say

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [155]

Tone: Much better and more serious. Mocking customers is not a good idea.
Content: Request for a cease fire until they can run their real goals past the CSM. Note, this will most likely backfire but will provide delicious drama for another week.
Subtext: Denying Gold Ammo is a nice way of avoiding everything else that was in that article, such as Aurum for extra fitting slots.
Analysis: They still can't admit to what they're planning to do but are now willing to compromise on certain items if they can screw the CSM over, and failing that, make cutbacks on their plans.
Conclusion: They really, really, don't want you to carry on cancelling your subs.
Recommendation: Cancel your subs.

Leah Pendragon
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [156]

"The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE."


"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum."

Too vaugue, a better response would a blanket statement regarding non vanity MT rather than gold ammo. The utter refusal to say 'There will be no non-vanity MT' is deeply disturbing.

what you do, not what you say...

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [157]

i have to admit though the "what you do, not what you say" quote is ringing as true for the players as it was for sender of that email.

Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 - [158]

At least a tiny tiny tiny step into the right direction.

But in times like these we pay less attention at what CCP is saying than in what they are doing.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 - [159]

More empty words and stalling tactics.

Tiberu Stundrif
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 - [160]

Originally by: Sgt Napalm
Thank you Cool You could have saved the community 2 days of grief by just saying that in the first place. There are still some out-standing questions, but it appears that you are waiting for CSM to comment. That is a good thing.


Blake Savage
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 - [161]

Edited by: Blake Savage on 26/06/2011 18:53:50
I know your going with the whole i want to be a capitalist pig and all, but micro transactions with this whole AUR thing , clothing and other stupid items, why mess with a game thats already perfect in alot of ways, sure the whole point of being able to walk into a ***** bar on a space station and shoot the **** with the locals seem like a good idea.

But really, CCP direction smells alot like in the ways of Blizzard, and its disgusting.

Probally wont be long before you put in some premium features that people can pay extra for a month.

Next thing we know is your going to take the sandbox out of eve and make it into a theme park mmo, just like SOE did to destroy SWG

Or perhaps you have learned something from their failure, time will tell.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [162]

Thanks Zulu.

As I predicted, all a bunch of crying over rumours and hearsay.

Unfortunately it will continue, because some (emo) people tend to take heed more to their feelings than anything else.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [163]

Originally by: diaufop
More empty words and stalling tactics.


"what you do, not what you say"

Eve Space Exploration Guild
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [164]

I am glad to see you are being more cautious with throwing stuff out there, with the situation being so volitile and all.

I am also glad to hear that you are gathering the CSM to discuss these issues.
But please, for the love of all that is holy, listen to them. They have the interest of the players at heart, so try to come to a compromise with them which both fits the players desires and CCP's desires. (though remember that a good compromise often leaves both parties wanting more Wink)

For now I think you have succeded in what CCP Pann tried to do: "buy time", but I asure you that things will flare up again if these issues aren't handled correctly and swiftly.
So tread with caution...

Thank you for your efforts.

Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [165]

No gold ammo? What about non vanity boosters, modules, ships, implants, pos stuff, sp, faction standing, sec status?

Ando Godson
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [166]


Simple question, expressed over and over by the community and the CSM:

Will non-vanity items be sold for Aurum?

You're being cute putting "gold ammo" in quotes there, but it just looks like another dodge. So go ahead, convene your ****ing committee. In the meantime, the forums and Eve will continue to burn.

There is really only one possible takeaway from your refusal to answer such a simple question. If you did not intend to go to a Pay to Win model, you would've denied it by now. You can't say outright that you'll do so, either because the timing doesn't fit whatever bullcrap marketing schedule you've got in place (a schedule that this cluster **** of a situation has rendered well and truly moot) or you know that admitting it will result in even greater mass cancellations than you've already seen.

My account stays cancelled. Have fun fiddling while Rome burns.

Alejan Gerakh
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [167]

Originally by: diaufop
More empty words and stalling tactics.
Which is all the most aggravated are going to see, even if they do tell you what you want.

Zakota Vertidei
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [168]

Glad this has finally happened. We just wanted transparency. Now, I'll sit back and watch the galaxy burn above your heads as you discuss the future of your love child. I know you can come back from this, CCP. After all, your self-proclaimed "fearless" attitude will prevail in a positive manner this time.

In all honesty, many players still have faith, as do I. I, personally, am extremely relieved that gold ammo isn't going to be sold. I'll probably buy a shirt if it's not 20 dollars.

Zachary Taylor
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [169]

Thank you for a clear answer on the MT issue we have all had.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 - [170]

Buy PLEX with $$$
Sell PLEX for Isk
Buy items with Isk


Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [171]


Eve is hurting for cash. We can raise the subscription fee alot, raise it a bit and allow vanity MT, keep the fee where it is and go balls out on MT, or get a "loan" from SOE. We're going to let CSM pick your poison and then blame them.

Soban Vuex
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [172]

This blog entry is much more positive than expected. But the quotation of GOLD AMMO while in that sentence brings only one real meaning to me -
"We will not make a << +10 to all ammo >>, for you to buy, but you will be able to buy just any other << regular ammo >> that is currently ingame."

We will only wait and see on after this CSM meeting, maybe It will prove me wrong on interpreting your message CCP, and if so believe whomever you like IT WILL MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY.

Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [173]

For that I am sorry.
Forgiven. Every single ****ing one of us here has made mistakes in this game. Not all of us know how to say those last three words.
However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.
It's done then.

CCP. I am disappointed in how long it took you to admit that last phrase, and how you allowed your inaction to nearly bring a unique and tough as nails community to riot. But, thank you for taking steps to resolve it.

EVE Community. I am disappointed in how little faith you had in a company that some of you have been with for seven years, and how you allowed your groupthink to overpower your ability to use formal logic and deduction regarding what may be opinion and what may be debate. But, you have my undying respect for showing passion, and love, for the game that many of us hold dear.

Put out the fires, and let's get our **** together for the CSMs.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [174]

very low skills on damage control - ccp buying time is all i read

u lied to the csm

so now a csm meet should save ur ass till the hate is gone ?

sad ppl cry - angry ppl act

burn in ur arrogance ccp

words are not good enough anymore

Hiryu Jin
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [175]

Edited by: Hiryu Jin on 26/06/2011 19:00:53
What a crock of ****. Seems like CCP trying to buy some time to let the community cool down. CCP doesn't give a **** about the CSM. This only looks like a smokescreen of wordplay til the angry mobs go away. Well, the angry mobs will go away, to new games.

edit: we're not all so naive and gullible anymore CCP. You've burned any credibility and trust you may have had. Only your actions can speak now.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [176]

We live in interesting times; in fact THE FORUMS is the kind of PLACE that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember. EXCEPT FOR THE OCCASIONAL CRASH AND THE MEMORY USAGE.

But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.

Naturally, we have caught the attention of AT LEAST TWO GAMING WEBSITES. Only a few DAYS ago we SHOT THE MONUMENTS A LOT. After 40 hours we have NOT KILLED THE MONUMENTS YET, generating more LULZ than any of the items in the store.

This we have done after MINUTES of research by a group of highly competent profes... (PFFFFFF), soliciting input and perspective from PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PAY MONTHLY FEES. We have communicated our intention here EXTERNALLY in very wide circles through the GLORIOUS INTERNETS. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. EXCEPT CCP APPARENTLY.

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for OVER 9000 YEARS, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. AND MONOCLES ARE REALLY QUITE INSULTING BTW.

We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TOO MUCH ISK. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.

All that said, I couldn't be prouder of what we have accomplished as a PLAYERBASE, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.

Wow, that was even more versatile than I had hoped.

+1 for the watching what you do, and not what you say.

Jonas Glim
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [177]

Finally, a positive step forward.

Why yourself and Hilmar were so determined to fight the community still baffles me, but at least we have progress. I hope you feel the damage done was worth it.

Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [178]

Edited by: NeoNexus on 26/06/2011 18:54:35
Much better - expect we will hear more after the CSM meeting

Tsu Hak
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [179]

Edited by: Tsu Hak on 26/06/2011 19:01:43

CCP Zulu already murdered 2 of my accounts by the crap he posts

RIP both

Annie *28.3.2007 to June 2011


Ivy *26.12.2009 to June 2011

Skull Brigade
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 - [180]

HEY CCP THIS "what you do, not what you say" tell hilmar if that email is real, it just shows yo all think were just a bunch of statistics in a database acording to his "what you do, not what you say" not to mention it was a extremely arrogant email.

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