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Wearfield
The Junkyard Dogs
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Wearfield on 26/06/2011 18:49:23

CCP!! You already know how we feel, it's all over the internet. Meeting with CSM achieves nothing.

Sona May
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [122]
 

Thanks Zulu. I really hope this puts an end to or at least calms the riots.

Also, people should not speak for others. I really don't mind vanity MTs. I encourage them.

Dracnys
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [123]
 

This is a great step forward and I'm very happy to read that the tone has changed. I very much support CCP's decision to consult the CSM before making any snap decisions and saying things that have to be taken back afterwards, just like it happened this weekend.

Looking forward to the CSM meeting

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [124]
 

I hope the CSM tells you to fix your own mess.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [125]
 

Thankyou for the blog and the appology.

Let us hope that the CSM and CCP can address the communities concerns.

Fighter26
Orion's Fist
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.


Look, all most of us want is no game changing stuff in that aurum shop. You can charge 1000 dollars for a monocle, see if most of us care. BUT DONT GIVE OUT ITEMS THAT ARE NON VANITY IN THERE! that is the main problem in your plans.

Another problem that gets people fervored up is the idea of offering painted ships without the need to have a produced unpainted ship.... that is much easier to handle add a rigged paint slot (if it is taken out it is destroyed, to avoid not getting your money for the product.) or just require a item to make that item a painted version.

-Fighter

Inipinipocoloco
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Inipinipocoloco on 26/06/2011 18:48:05
pile of crap dear sirs, that what it is

CCP decides more buying time and no answers ?

CCP thinks we are a bunch of online junkie pigs that eat whatever **** u throw in front of us ?

i dont care if u got mistrust in ur fkin company mate - obviously u deserve to be mistrusted

WORDS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH ANYMORE CCP

account will be canceled tomorrow after corp meet


Anoobis Aivoras
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [128]
 

hmmmm.... ok. Let's see then. Call it a ceasefire.

Memitim Deuce
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [129]
 

I really hope that this isn't too little, late.

Saving Face
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Smells Ass
Edited by: Smells Ass on 26/06/2011 18:39:52
Why didn't you say:

"We are not going to sell any Non-Vanity items in the NEX store" !!!!!!



We know they had plans for ships for aurum, so we already know ships aren't covered by that statement.

It's a non-statement. We won't get coloured ammo. That's about it.

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [131]
 

A more concilitory tone this time, for which most of us will be grateful but why is it so difficult to answer a simple question? Will there ever be non-vanity items sold for AUR? That answer doesn't require a CSM meeting.

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [132]
 

Nope.

This issue goes WAY above CSM interaction.

This is a perfect non answer, slyly deflective.


You people buying it never even understood the real root issues and their implications.

You people buying this just got caught up in the forum rage, and like good sheep everywhere, you go where you're told.

Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [133]
 

Classic CCP Stall tactic.

The question was on non vanity MT's not "gold ammo". By only answering the gold ammo part you leave yourself the ability to still put in MT's.

The CSM are in a skype channel with you. Web conferencing is a common tool. Phone conferencing has been on the go from the 70's. There is zero reason to have a face to face meeting.

Unless you want to stall for 6 days and let things quiet down.

Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [134]
 

"Gold ammo"

Replace that with "in game advantages." Add "never will be" to same sentence. Then you are good to go.

Otherwise this is just weak stalling tactics. Arrow

Lonox
Gallente
Hilmar is Lord
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Juan Sezole
NONONONONO

Zulu you did it again.

WE DO NOT WANT MT AT ALL NO ITERATIONS NO DEVELOPMENT

GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD FFS



It's here, it's staying. Get that through your head. Laughing

Trishar
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [136]
 

thx.

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:48:00 - [137]
 

That was a whole lot of words for a dev blog that didn't actually say anything.

F3LL's Ghost
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [138]
 

This blog is better, not great, but better. Its not enough to keep me from unsubbing one of my accounts but the other one will stay up until I hear how the csm meeting goes. I really hope I see some signs that there will be significantly improved communication with the players. Maybe then you can admit that there are serious issues with your current direction for the game and this patch in particular/

F3LL

PS if you guys have problems with leaks internally you should probably consider that the people leaking stuff are ****ed with your ****ty communication issues the same as us players... just saying

Raven IPS
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [139]
 

I feel like gold ammo here is an analogy for all Non-vanity items. Good job CCP.

Starkiller Adams
Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [140]
 

stEp in the right direction but still a long way off from getting out trust back alt will not be resubbed for a while

side note do we stop setting jita on fire

Roh Voleto
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [141]
 

Just another "Fck You!"? Why do you even bother writing these "blogs"?

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [142]
 

why are all the overly positive responses in this thread made by suspiceous looking alts?


Dibble Dabble
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [143]
 

**** the CSM, like they speak for the players of eve. They are the same lemmings that run the alliances, BOTS and RMT.

Bring on MT and give me more bling.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [144]
 

I don't know how much I trust CCP's word right now, I asked for actions, not words. It seems you are trying to make good on that. You didn't try to set anything in stone, rather you are flying our representatives out there for a face to face meeting. I'll still be waiting on the results of that meeting, but I think this is a step in the right direction.

I'll try to refrain from any instigating posts in the coming days and give CCP the chance to listen to the player base and hopefully make some changes. I know some people will yell "too late!" but I think better late than never. If we don't give them the chance to listen to us now, then they'll never have a reason to. We demanded to be heard, and they are hearing us. Let it happen and give things a chance.

CCP, I'll be encouraging the CSM to not only bring MT to the table, as well as other problems with the expansion (which, I've said repeatedly, was not all bad, in fact, I like the direction most of it is taking), but to address the letter Hilmar wrote. The wording in it makes me wary when you say you'll listen (actions not words), as well as your intents behind MT (...communicated our intention... Fearless newsletter...). As I said, this would all be pointless if I weren't to give you a chance now, but I wanted to let you know my feelings, and what's on the table for me. There are the problems that started all this, and there are problems from the actions afterwards.

Goodluck at the summit everyone.

Velani Askiras
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [145]
 

@CCP Zulu

Good dev blog. I will wait and see what happens in the next couple weeks.
My 4 accounts will run out in 8 days. I will watch and see what happens in the feature.

I love EVE and i will come back when things are sorted out.

DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Monikerina
I have also noted that the CSM does not seem to be inline with the community on this, and have no faith that they will hold the line for us.



How is the CSM out of line? Please explain what you want the CSM to bring to CCP that's different from what they've already publicly stated.

Elrich Zann
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [147]
 

Quote:
Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.

The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.



Absolutely the correct way to handle this. While I may not always agree with everything the CSM says, I do believe they have the best interests of EvE at heart.

I look forward to the results of this meeting.

Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Niraia
"gold ammo" is too vague, and you know it.


He used a well-established metaphor. No gold ammo means there will not be game mechanic relevant item sales on the NeX. That is part of the answer we wanted to hear.

Kei Mifune
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Kei Mifune on 26/06/2011 18:56:10
No "gold ammo", doesn't say anything about ships, SP enhancements, implants, consumables, modules, so on and so forth. I don't understand how "no gold ammo" should be placating so many of you because it's still not a complete answer to "No non-vanity items".

They're so hard pressed for cash it seems, if they need to pull out this Money-trade, then why are they wasting even more money paying for plane tickets during the expensive summer season to fly the CSM out there when web and phone conferences have server so many other corporations very faithfully for so many years?

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [150]
 

They won't repeat the promise because they know their word won't be trusted, anyway. Instead, they decide the best way to handle it is to try and meet, in person, those who are supposed to represent our interests, the CSM, to discuss this matter as solidly as possible, and let what results from that speak for itself.

Personally, I think that those who are the most ****ed off won't be placated by anything, even if it is exactly what they want to hear.


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