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PsyOpWarfare
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:05:00 - [1261]
 

I would have to say that i really respected EVE Online for what they have done until now. From how long it took you to say something to us about ripping us off I do not trust a single word you say! Your PR staff must have worked over time to come up with a way out of this and now you want us to take your words as the truth? I think not, you must SHOW US what you are going to do and not just SAY what you will do. I feel betrayed as a customer to be treated in such a way and like many other people thinking about leaving. However, I am going to give you guys a chance to make things right by SHOWING us.

I would like you to keep in mind all the other MMOs that have died that were very popular and one mistake cost them their fan base. Also keep this in you mind, that most of the EVE Online characters were invited by friends and then became active players. How many players have told their friends about what had happened and left this game. Heck, on WOW they are already laughing at EVE and saying its just a matter of time before it collapses. I do not want to see that as I left WOW to play this game. You must pay attention to WHAT your players SAY and DO, not one or the other.ugh


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:09:00 - [1262]
 

CCP discusses microtransactions

"It sounds like your values have changed."
"Yes."
"Why?"
"We're a company. Our core value is to have no values."

JawsOfDeath
Smell-O-Gram Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:34:00 - [1263]
 

Edited by: JawsOfDeath on 29/06/2011 21:35:59
Ive been in this game since 2004, almost 7 years now. Paying, playing and building EVE like all players.

Sadly, this is seriously the FIRST time i have considered really quiting for good. I will let the next few days details decide the outcome. At the moment I am not angry, im hurt. I just realized that all the time, money and effort put in here, is worth SH|T to ccp, to EVE and to anyone else.
Yes CCP is a company, but guess what!, i don´t buy the products i use, or own for the good of a company. I buy them because i TRUST the company is the best for me. That the product is the best for me. So if u think u will find new players by competing between all the other new games, ur sadly mistaken. You need something some one WANTS to be able to sell it. You don't sell a product these days, YOU EARN THE CUSTOMER!. The competition is nasty, really bad. And in the end, having a guy pay ur salary for 7 years should be worth more then few extra $$$ on the side. Because in the end, when it gets though for companies, its there loyal clients they have to live on.

So show me why i should continue to pay your bill? I want to find a reason, but i need one showed. Show us, the guys paying your bills why we should trust u and do that.

Unless my views are changed in the next few days, consider my accounts, my 13 accounts, gone. Thats a year income of €2300 from one person, less. And YES i have designer cloths, but i wear the cloths i like to wear and play the games i like to play.

PS. SAAB is on its last leg and almost a dead company, because they cant sell there cars. Don't let EVE be something players don't want to play.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:36:00 - [1264]
 

Originally by: Dalton Vanadis
Add in to my comment earlier to Fuanmarch:

Also, CCP presented compelling reasons at fanfest for why most vanity items will not be player built/designed (time to *****), I can understand why they went with the NeX. I think that it is indicative of their investor relations, their economy team, and their current CFO (who doesn't have any history in the game industry, having left Citi right before it's headlong crash into a mountain of debt, but details on bad investment decisions for another time). I think the old CCP would have just seeded the items on the market ala POS towers of old. But then again, that would have allowed for a way too obvious comparison between the items and something like a kilometer long hunk of metal with advanced weapons systems on it. As it stands, even with their level of separation to both have a way to quantify the demand and return on the development for these items with the NeX, players can still easily compare prices. Which leads to the sticker shock, and the all out dumbfounded feeling players have over that pricing structure.

For an example, even the most expensive, Japanese boutique designer jeans are about 6 orders of magnitude cheaper than an Arleigh Burke class destroyer (1,000 vs 2,000,000,000) (jeans to destroyer comparison for you if we're making RL comparisons to a game). So, logic of that particular analogy = crap. It also makes me wonder what financial "guru" decided to try and push that one through despite what I'm sure were several dev protests against it (seriously, anyone who knows that this was the game where the players built a search tool for their own forums, or their own FTP service, or have more commentary on their own game- politics than there are major news channels in the US wouldn't have tried that half-assed attempt to pull the wool over our eyes).



QFT

Dalton Vanadis
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:28:00 - [1265]
 

Edited by: Dalton Vanadis on 29/06/2011 23:30:52
Originally by: Angeliq

Want to know why?



http://www.fme.is/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=5877(page 7)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Bjorgolfsson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Thorsteinsson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Gu%C3%B0mundsson

http://is.linkedin.com/in/villithorsteinsson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners

http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/bjorgolfur-thor-bjorgolfsson/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straumur

Knock if off guys, nothing can be done. Enjoy EVE while you still can.


I smell an email campaign, perhaps start up a thread over with the CSM, have those CSM members write up a stock letter letting those investors know that if they do not bend to the will of the customer on this issue their investment will run aground harder than the Icelandic economy using as evidence the 4-5,000 some odd accounts currently unsubbed (and the amount of money out of pocket because of that) and a reasonable prediction of the further costs associated with more unsubbs who haven't declared. Project with that a reasonable amount of profit gained so far from their foray into MT and show the net difference. And further point out that if they push the issue on MT, they will be risking the jobs of over 600 people in 4 countries to push a measure that is HIGHLY unpopular with the player base.

I would think that any of those obviously greedy (or at least wealthy, if you want to be diplomatic) people would realize that the safety of their investment would be at extreme risk with very little reward, if at all, if they were to try and push a secondary revenue source into EVE. They might then push for something else, like an initial loan to CCP to push WoD out the door faster and a final push on Dust so its beta has fewer issues for recoding and development resources can be reassigned accordingly. Then insist on no corporate net growth on employees until these games stabilize for a couple of years (at least). But hey, that's probably like wishing for unicorns with rainbows coming out their ass.

If nothing else, it might be worth it to point out to them that trying to push MT further in EVE would be the equivalent of walmart ****ing off every suburban housewife by putting ****os in the kiddie section, advertising it in the local newspaper, and then ignore the problem while the housewives of America go ballistic on their ass and start shopping at Kmart. Right now though, we're at the stage of this analogy where wal-mart asks a few housewives over to corporate to see wtf the problem is with having ****os in the kiddie section.

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:12:00 - [1266]
 

Edited by: Ranita Drell on 30/06/2011 07:55:49
Originally by: Dalton Vanadis
For an example, even the most expensive, Japanese boutique designer jeans are about 6 orders of magnitude cheaper than an Arleigh Burke class destroyer (1,000 vs 2,000,000,000) (jeans to destroyer comparison for you if we're making RL comparisons to a game). So, logic of that particular analogy = crap.

Although, to be fair, in real life we don't have hundreds of thousands of people with personal wealth that allows them to own several destroyers/battleships.

I think the point Zulu was trying to make was that things like the monocles are a form of conspicuous consumption that could be appreciated as extreme displays of wealth even by capsuleers. The only way for them to serve that purpose is for them to carry ludicrous price tags.

The problem is that not all players/capsuleers that are interested in customizing their appearance care about showing off their space-rich e-peen, and that none of the NEX store items are reasonably priced -- and with the possible exception of the moncole, none of the clothing looks particularly unusual or extravagant. There's no reason for a uniform of all things to be so expensive.

And just to be clear, I think NEX store pricing while stupid (by and large) is more emblematic of the flaws in CCP's strategy than it is a serious flaw in itself.

Darius Sokarad
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:13:00 - [1267]
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdJPFLfrLvs

Eve Online has lasted through a lot of ups and downs, but I think this might be the last one. Eve will not last very much longer if trends continue as they are.

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.06.30 03:38:00 - [1268]
 

I dont care about the price on vanity items. They could cost 100b for all i care.

I just dont want special ships and mods to be obtainable through that store.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 03:38:00 - [1269]
 

Originally by: Darius Sokarad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdJPFLfrLvs

Eve Online has lasted through a lot of ups and downs, but I think this might be the last one. Eve will not last very much longer if trends continue as they are.


Eerily brilliant vid. Sums it all up, doesn't it?

Xandralkus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:53:00 - [1270]
 

Alrighty, so the problem arises from CCP executives having no say in what goes on with their company? Do they not know that maintaining majority control of their stock is paramount? Obviously not.

To the boneheaded f***nuggets behind this plan, the ones that are actually in charge of things behind CCP - there's got to be a single working brain cell up there somewhere. You know that you need us, the playerbase, in order to make your return on investment. That's right, your precious profits are directly dependent on us. CCP knows how to run their damn game, and if you don't listen to it, you deserve to lose every damned penny you poured into this investment. And make no mistake, you WILL lose it all, if you f*** with things much more.

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.06.30 06:06:00 - [1271]
 

Edited by: Royaldo on 30/06/2011 06:07:03
I do not care about vanity items at all. I only care about selling items in that nex store that will give people something to use outside stations. If this ever happens, then Im out.
I do not care about the price on vanity items. Because I will not buy it, its stupid. Its like the kittens and puppys in wow. Its dumb.
I play eve to have fun and pvp IN SPACESHIPS - IN SPACE. I do not care about walking in stations.
I want ship spinning back. Make the whole walking in stations optional. Or have the guys who want it, pay for it.

Plex was a rubbish idea.

You have been making EVE an "easier" game for quite some time now. Dumbing it down to the point where the old picture of eve's learning curve isnt true any longer.

EVE used to be hard. All you need now is a god damend credit card. You have been ignoring the playerbase for way too long now.

Lets make 1 thing perfectly clear:
CCP and EVE is NOTHING without the community.
You seems totally clueless about who is playing your game. You seem clueless on how to implement new stuff into the game(hello new maller model).
You've gone more and more quiet. Hidden patch notes crap seems to be the standard these days. Like some pathetic kid who is afraid of telling the parents on what they really been doing.
You dont listen to the CSM.

Sort your **** out. Or watch all 3 of your projects go down the toilett. Fast.

Dariel Ash
Caldari
Foetus Mart
Posted - 2011.06.30 07:52:00 - [1272]
 

What scares me the most is an apparent complete lack of market research.

I mean CCP is paying to fly a whole bunch of dudes over to iceland, the CSM, and they don't even ask them for their opinions on important stuff like this? So now when there's an uproar they decide to fly them over at the last minute. WTF?

So now everyone who is thinking of playing DUST or WOD is going to see this and think to themselves "well fvkk that".

I don't mind NeX in principle, but the stuff available is stupid-expensive and not even unique like most other items in EVE.

Gem Lorefield
Posted - 2011.06.30 08:31:00 - [1273]
 

All of you players, should be ashamed.

This newsletter as not for you to see. And many of you do not understand the fundamental nature to a Design Studio of the newsletter. It's purpose is to clearly and concisely point out the Pro's and Con's of an idea. And to Defend that idea as if it was meant to happen Next Day. In a Debate you do not say "what ifs" you treat things in absolutes, you give your ideas solidity and body. This process is critical to designing games, it helps give people ideas they hadnt thought of, and to find the absolute BEST results for YOU the player.

Whats more is most of the pieces to this newsletter were likely done on the people who wrote them's free time. They did it because they want to keep EVE a GREAT game years from now. And you all did nothing more than insult them. You have no right.

If I was to look at letters you all have written, to family, to friends, and look at it from my view without knowing the purpose of the letter, or anything about you, I could find faults with it, things that are wrong about it. But none of it would be right because I didn't know all the facts.

This is no different. This isn't fair. Everything in that newsletter is circumstantial when it comes to what they will be doing in the future, and they are doing it all for you all, to make ya'lls time more enjoyable.

So maybe your right, maybe they should just not do anything at all, keep the game the way it is, dont try to make new advancements or new gear or ships ammo or weapons. Take out the Captains Quarters because I hear many of you doing nothing but complaining about it.

All of the changes they have made since EVE's conception has been done using Newsletters like these, Newsletters with cultivate ideas and concepts, which help to make a better game.

I think what you all have done is unfair, you have judged people who's job is only ment to help you all have more fun, and to make your game time more entertaining. People who have spent sleepless nights drinking Energy Drinks to polish their models to the point of perfection. And then you all steal from them, take something that isn't yours to take, and then you persecute them when you do not comprehend what it is your reading.

IF by the end of my post you are not ashamed of yourself, you are not in the least bit sorry for how rude and disrespectful you have been to the CCP Staff who have worked so hard to make the game the wonderful platform it is now, then I encourage you to go ahead and cancel your account so that you can go play a game where everything is always the same so that you do not have to fear change anymore.

For those of you who did feel some regret, some tinge of guilt, or a hint of remorse or even more. I am glad, because it means you understand you've done wrong. And after that you can at least clear your conscioune and go back to enjoying EVE for what it is, a game that has taken space to the furthest limits and is still pushing out, and now has given you even more than just space.

Enjoy yourselves out there in the 'verse, and fly safe!

tony dinozo
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:41:00 - [1274]
 

Originally by: Gem Lorefield
All of you players, should be ashamed.

This newsletter as not for you to see. And many of you do not understand the fundamental nature to a Design Studio of the newsletter. It's purpose is to clearly and concisely point out the Pro's and Con's of an idea. And to Defend that idea as if it was meant to happen Next Day. In a Debate you do not say "what ifs" you treat things in absolutes, you give your ideas solidity and body. This process is critical to designing games, it helps give people ideas they hadnt thought of, and to find the absolute BEST results for YOU the player.

Whats more is most of the pieces to this newsletter were likely done on the people who wrote them's free time. They did it because they want to keep EVE a GREAT game years from now. And you all did nothing more than insult them. You have no right.

If I was to look at letters you all have written, to family, to friends, and look at it from my view without knowing the purpose of the letter, or anything about you, I could find faults with it, things that are wrong about it. But none of it would be right because I didn't know all the facts.

This is no different. This isn't fair. Everything in that newsletter is circumstantial when it comes to what they will be doing in the future, and they are doing it all for you all, to make ya'lls time more enjoyable.

So maybe your right, maybe they should just not do anything at all, keep the game the way it is, dont try to make new advancements or new gear or ships ammo or weapons. Take out the Captains Quarters because I hear many of you doing nothing but complaining about it.

All of the changes they have made since EVE's conception has been done using Newsletters like these, Newsletters with cultivate ideas and concepts, which help to make a better game.

I think what you all have done is unfair, you have judged people who's job is only ment to help you all have more fun, and to make your game time more entertaining. People who have spent sleepless nights drinking Energy Drinks to polish their models to the point of perfection. And then you all steal from them, take something that isn't yours to take, and then you persecute them when you do not comprehend what it is your reading.

IF by the end of my post you are not ashamed of yourself, you are not in the least bit sorry for how rude and disrespectful you have been to the CCP Staff who have worked so hard to make the game the wonderful platform it is now, then I encourage you to go ahead and cancel your account so that you can go play a game where everything is always the same so that you do not have to fear change anymore.

For those of you who did feel some regret, some tinge of guilt, or a hint of remorse or even more. I am glad, because it means you understand you've done wrong. And after that you can at least clear your conscioune and go back to enjoying EVE for what it is, a game that has taken space to the furthest limits and is still pushing out, and now has given you even more than just space.

Enjoy yourselves out there in the 'verse, and fly safe!



is this second degree ? or are you some kind of CCP propaganda agent from ex soviet union secret police or What ?
did you not understand what all this is about ?
You compare the NL from CCP as family private letters, do you paid monthly PLEX to you family, are you a customer from your friends ?
and, on my point of view, nobody steal the NL , it "showed up" on the net ... by itself ...
and to answer you, i'm ashamed to read what you just posted ...

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:53:00 - [1275]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 30/06/2011 11:53:44

After having read literally hundreds of posts on the matter, this particular insider note, from an anonymous CCP employee, has stuck out the most:

"Several years now CCP has predicted insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago."

And why? Because it has the ring of truth to it. And if CCP had come out with this openly, not shamefully mocking us as 'golden geese' behind our backs, who knows, I would probably be a lot more sympathetic to their dilemma.

People accept truth, even when that truth is hurtful. And they reject bullsh*t, even when it smells like flowers. Something to remember for NeX-t time.

Amalie Lautreck
Noctiscion
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:36:00 - [1276]
 

First of all; decent expansion for an epic game. Ok, it's merely a taste of what to come, but initially I feel for ordering more.

But it seems there's stuff coming that I have no liking for. Due to financial stress (the october mortgage and R&D on two other games), I suspect further use of RL-money in-game is coming.

My stance is: Nothing beyond vanity items in the NEX-shop. Exlcusice content (P2W) would make me un-sub instantly. Also regular items for RL-money would have a serene impact on the industrial part of Eve and would prolly break it's magic (remember them articles in RL fianacial publications about Eve-economy?). SP is mostly a no-go too, although I s'pose I could accept new players buying SP up to a limit 10-20M. LP; no go.

So: Bling: ok. In-game items: I'm gone.

Shareholders might see "us" as nerds, well, in between my interests for Tolstoj, Mondrian and Guided By Voices, Eve caught me. It's a thrilling experience. I'd really like to keep on playing it. But if what I fear seeing is introduced into the game, I'm out.

So: Pls pretty pls don't break this wonderfull pixel-universe you've created.

Aquana Abyss
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:44:00 - [1277]
 

Edited by: Aquana Abyss on 30/06/2011 14:53:38

Originally by: Gem Lorefield
All of you players, should be ashamed... [and a rant about privacy]



Hi Gem,

Great trolling - for your first ever forum post - and well worthy of a response; though if these are your real views you're obviously a very naive and repressed person.

A corporate publication is very different to personal letters to family, and if you don't have any concept of professional/personal life divide then you're probably an orphan, unemployed or both. [Like you I also enjoy making deliberately incorrect assumptions]

I wonder if you would also consider wiki-leaks a terrible thing too? what about investigative journalism? Should we censor the internet too? All of these methods of sharing information obviously appear as some great evil to you - considering people responding to the leaked (and freely published) information should somehow feel ashamed of themselves?

I sense you have no clue what you're talking about and want to provoke a response (trolling?), well my response is: you're a muppet, and not a good one like Kermit, but a horribly character flawed and annoying one, like Miss Piggy.

CCP clearly have an agenda. An agenda that is only concerned with squeezing more money out of the game at the expense of the loyal fans and players. This is why people are so upset, it is because they actually care about the game and the company but feel betrayed by them.

Read all the "leaked" information and the published information such as blogs of the last few years and compare them to the earlier - and you will begin to notice this paradigm shift from CCP.

I remember back to CCP Oveur saying in an interview "We have probably been over-delivering with previous expansions..." - that was when the first alarm bell started ringing for me - it meant rather than full effort solely put on improving the game as before, they were beginning to ration the effort and spend more on marketing and "selling" the product than relying on the improvements alone to bring the growth.

I suspect you'd rather just crusade for CCP regardless though, not bother becoming informed on the matter and just bash everyone on the forum about how ashamed they should be for feeling betrayed and voicing it (good one!).

I think in fairness, you should spend less time considering CCP employees' feelings and more time considering the feelings of the players you post summary judgement on.

Dalton Vanadis
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:19:00 - [1278]
 

Edited by: Dalton Vanadis on 01/07/2011 05:07:08
Originally by: Ranita Drell
Edited by: Ranita Drell on 30/06/2011 07:55:49
Originally by: Dalton Vanadis
For an example, even the most expensive, Japanese boutique designer jeans are about 6 orders of magnitude cheaper than an Arleigh Burke class destroyer (1,000 vs 2,000,000,000) (jeans to destroyer comparison for you if we're making RL comparisons to a game). So, logic of that particular analogy = crap.

Although, to be fair, in real life we don't have hundreds of thousands of people with personal wealth that allows them to own several destroyers/battleships.

I think the point Zulu was trying to make was that things like the monocles are a form of conspicuous consumption that could be appreciated as extreme displays of wealth even by capsuleers. The only way for them to serve that purpose is for them to carry ludicrous price tags.

The problem is that not all players/capsuleers that are interested in customizing their appearance care about showing off their space-rich e-peen, and that none of the NEX store items are reasonably priced -- and with the possible exception of the moncole, none of the clothing looks particularly unusual or extravagant. There's no reason for a uniform of all things to be so expensive.

And just to be clear, I think NEX store pricing while stupid (by and large) is more emblematic of the flaws in CCP's strategy than it is a serious flaw in itself.


I agree that it is not a fair comparison, and I think I made it clear in a later post that it is emblematic of flaws on CCP, whether or not it be investor relations and management control or just dissillusionment of those planning the games future.

Also, your argument is not entirely flawless either, the capsuleer class numbers in the hundreds of thousands while the unwashed masses number in the untold trillions, seems like an even more stilted wealth dynamic than today's world, and from what I know, Bill Gates still thinks 1,000 dollar pants are expensive as hell, even though he could easily buy a few Arleigh Burke class destroyers. I think he'd still balk at 4 billion dollar pants, just saying, the logic is still kinda ****ty as well (mine isn't perfect, as noted in my earlier agreement, but I think it's slightly closer to the fact than CCP's)

I still like the comparison in price, and I went into this expansion hoping that clothes wouldn't be more expensive than a kilometer long hunk of metal, clearly I was wrong in that hope, it is not the major issue of the time though, just a fun comparison of little logic or at least unexplained logic of pricing everything so high.

I miss the company that could make fun of itself for it's mistakes, like the boot.ini bit, that still cracks me up. I miss the company that built expansions around what the players wanted. As it stands there are threads that are older than my niece about features that a massive number of players want, yet they still kind of sit in the back of the bus with the promise of a couple of years.

I like the idea of greater immersion in this game and making it the best sci-fi game on the planet, but I don't want CCP losing it's soul over that drive, or the player base that has made it what it is over the better part of a decade being lost because of the change.

But hopefully those CSM kiddies have got things running at a nice pace and we'll hear back soon on wtf is going on.

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:36:00 - [1279]
 

Originally by: GATORAN
Originally by: Morphisat
Guys guys, the CSM thing is just a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.

CCP is commited to Incarna and the cash shop. This doesn't mean they'll start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, but they might at some point in the future.



Guys guys, the CSM thing is not a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.

CCP is not committed to Incarna and the cash shop. This means they won't start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, and never will at any point in the future.


see how easy that was?


I see it as a PR stunt until CCP actually starts doing things that they attribute to feedback from CSM. Which they haven't, related to this disaster.

Actions, not words, will define what happens to EVE.

Vuiko Tarasovich
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:21:00 - [1280]
 

Edited by: Vuiko Tarasovich on 30/06/2011 20:22:01
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: GATORAN
Originally by: Morphisat
Guys guys, the CSM thing is just a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.

CCP is commited to Incarna and the cash shop. This doesn't mean they'll start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, but they might at some point in the future.



Guys guys, the CSM thing is not a PR stunt. A press release will go to all gaming media saying that the discussions were fruitful.

CCP is not committed to Incarna and the cash shop. This means they won't start selling non-vanity items tomorrow, and never will at any point in the future.


see how easy that was?


I see it as a PR stunt until CCP actually starts doing things that they attribute to feedback from CSM. Which they haven't, related to this disaster.

Actions, not words, will define what happens to EVE.


This "Actions, not words" mantra that everyone seems to be chanting confuses me...

CCP's Actions in the last patch:


Release Captain's Quarters - visually pleasing but useless for gameplay, basically a visual confirmation of the deployment of the code for walking in stations, this will allow future actions in stations to be possible.

Agent Finder - people have wanted this for years. kudos.

Several visual effects upgrades - don't change the game, but look nice.

NeX - Allows players to use real life money to pay for overpriced vanity items. Take this as you will, but I don't think it's an evil thing - seems comparable to the eve store where you can buy overpriced vanity items in real life. Personally, i plan to collect 4 plex, break them, and buy a monocle (or one of those spiffy odin's eyes) out of spite for players who want lower prices. Note that this is not the real issue here, vanity items for real money is probably acceptable on the standards of most of the playerbase.

What CCP Has Said:

There will be no gold ammo - gold ammo is a term from world of tanks, which apparently half of nullsec plays, which means in game advantage purchased with real life money.

Damning internal newsletter debating putting gold ammo in the game - personally, I see no problem with CCP discussing gold ammo and using eve as a basis to talk about it. WoD and Dust (which WILL use a microtransaction payment method) don't exist yet, so everyone at CCP can probably best voice their opinions in an eve context. The issue is that talking about it in such a way goes against what CCP has promised in the past and breaks player trust. Sucks that this newsletter got out then, the employee who leaked it was probably fired.

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This break of player trust is the real issue here. If CCP wants to stop the forum ****storm then they should probably come out with a satisfactory explanation of what the newsletter's function in the company is and exactly why they were using eve as a base to debate microtransactions. "Never putting game changing items in nex" Is not an action that CCP can take because it is not an action, it is what they are doing right now, but they can never finish the action without ending eve. They can never say "Alright now we have completed never putting game changing items in nex". How will you know, if not through words, that there will never be gold ammo in nex? The only way CCP can solve this is through words and actions which back up those words.


so errm yeah.... actions over words mate, if you're going to keep spouting that like some hivemind forum zombie then at least realize that it puts CCP in a positive light.

PS: I am not unsubbing until the day that gold ammo hits NeX, though to be honest if i am rich enough in isk by then i might just buy a bunch of plex and pwn noobs anyway before i got bored of it.

Glaso Fruixette
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:19:00 - [1281]
 

Do we have any info from the meeting yet?

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 17:18:00 - [1282]
 

Originally by: Ranita Drell

Although, to be fair, in real life we don't have hundreds of thousands of people with personal wealth that allows them to own several destroyers/battleships.

I think the point Zulu was trying to make was that things like the monocles are a form of conspicuous consumption that could be appreciated as extreme displays of wealth even by capsuleers. The only way for them to serve that purpose is for them to carry ludicrous price tags.



regarding the first point we may not be at that point yet but we are certainly heading in that direction at speed.

re 2nd point rich people are truly different souls than we mere mortals. for instance years ago rolls royce noticed their annual sales dropping. when they checked into what was causing the drop they found that the price of the top line german cars had crept up within some magic distance of the lower end rolls. they upped the price of rolls cars and lo sales went back up to expected levels. prestige and epeen can be worth insane amounts of money to the truly rich it seems.

Jamina Galandel
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:39:00 - [1283]
 

Edited by: Jamina Galandel on 01/07/2011 19:44:40
Hi all,
this is my second post on the eve forums and I have been with eve since the beginning (just with another char). I never felt that it was vital to post your own views/thoughts into the forums as I hardly believed that CCP would actually listen to what I had to say. Because I don't know the average age of eve gamers, I wasn't sure, if I was to be considered an outsider with an opinion no one wants to hear about (would be interesting to know the age distribution on subscribers - could we have some numbers on that, CCP?).

That being said...For the fist time I do feel that I have to say something now. Not only to CCP, but also to the rest of the eve community:

As an oldtimer mostly in highsec I felt that eve didn't really offer a lot more than it originally did. It was mostly small changes. This wasn't necessary a bad thing, but I always felt, that the low sec was getting too much attention and I just don't have enough free time as a hard earning oldtimer to spend hours in eve getting the newest update on the political situation in our corp. Every time I logged in, I was surprised to find out, that our corp was in some warfare again. This made it impossible to have a "quick" game, as undocking could be fatal. It made me go back to high sec, where after a while I didn't have a lot in common with my old corp anymore. So I left them. Now I am mostly on my own doing missions. And this is exactly one aspect of the game that should have got a LOT more attention by CCP for a long time. A lot of people do missions to get ISK, but I always felt, that the story was not very interesting. You just didn't feel affected or involved personnally into the storyline. In the end you just looked at the short summary and pressed the accept button.

CCP promised to change this, by introducing easier content updates and dynamic text and events into eve. Somehow I must have missed that bit.

Mining still didn't get any big change, allthough CCP wanted to tackle it.

BUT... all the changes were up till now optional and I had a choice. This seems to take a different course now.

I also don't want the MT-shop AT ALL. Reasons have been stated all over the forums.
I also feel, that the money I spend on eve is only used to a minimum degree for the development of eve. Therefor I am not a very happy chicken.

Long story, quick resumée:
I will wait and see what CCP will do (not just say), in order to resolve this mess. I also want to make quite clear, that I have my finger hovering over the "quit subscription" button.

I will be watching eve the next two months very closely. If this is not the course I would like to see eve take, the button will be pressed without hesitation. It seems, this is the only way to vote with an effect.

It doesn't make me furious with rage, but merely very sad, as I have been a fan for such a long time and introduced a lot of friends to it until recently.

DO something about it, CCP! Remove the MT-shop alltogether or at least promise that only vanity-items will be sold, period! And take the CSM seriously!

Nuff' said! This will (hopefully) be my second and last post on this forum.

Lt. Galandel signing off

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:47:00 - [1284]
 

Originally by: Glaso Fruixette
Do we have any info from the meeting yet?


Nothing useful that I've found. Just waffling from day 1.

But they should be finished with day two by now since it's 10:45PM on 1/7 in Reykjavik.

I'm expecting a monumental pile of nothing from CCP and a "welp, we tried" from the CSM.

ITBob
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.02 02:19:00 - [1285]
 

I'm out CCP. You get no more of my money.

Caius LiviusCerso
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 05:50:00 - [1286]
 

Has there been any news?
I like paying USD and $ for my many accounts since I like helping develop eve.
If they do point it will have MT for game bonus, Im out too.

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2011.07.02 10:01:00 - [1287]
 

CCP, my grandma told me this story when I was a kid:

Once upon a time there was a farmer who had a special chicken, every day it made a golden egg.

And then one day, he got too greedy,and so he cut the chicken, only to find it empty inside; now he lost the golden egg a day too!

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH EVE!

tell your fraking investors to shove their greed up their ass or they will lose their whole investment!


Cyber Mana
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:26:00 - [1288]
 

My subscription was due to renew on the 6th of July.
Well, I canceled that and will wait for the decision of CCP.

If I don't like what's going on. I'm gone.
Then, my other accounts will follow.

Heavenly Blues
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:22:00 - [1289]
 

The Realities of EVE are easy to see if you stop drinking the kool-aid.

CCP (Charlatan Chimp Productions) has completely sold out. They are drunk (like a pedo in a toystore) on the idea of more money, more subs and more transactions. They think that their two other games (WoD, Dust) are going to make them even fatter and richer. This is all they can think about. They do not care about quality or excellence, they only care about money. Lots and lots of Money. So long as they can sell you bull****, claiming it is gold, and make the money, they will.

**** them. Let this company die. The world does not need another electronic arts, another activision or another apple.

Great games are a labor of love by designers with a dream. Everything else is just inane fodder that the greedy try to sell as greatness.

CCP is to Digital Entertainment as McDonalds is to Nutrition.

Neutral Updater
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:43:00 - [1290]
 

Edited by: Neutral Updater on 02/07/2011 21:43:23
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