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Menden Kahoudi
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:33:00 - [901]
 

$70 for a monocle is a perfect price. I think it had the exact effect they wanted.

Then when they offer it for $25 it will seem reasonable.

They've shown us how bad it could be, then they will show us how benevolent they are by making it only $25 dollars for a monocle or only $15 dollars for a headset with boom-mic etc.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:34:00 - [902]
 

Edited by: Atreus Venom on 27/06/2011 01:57:44
NOPE I CANT GIVE UP!!! OK im basing info off the video if we are 2% of the actual game community we need to alert people in an organized way IN GAME Ive already sent this msg to at least 20 or more ppl using eve mail.. im in jita and there are plenty of ppl there to send to.. HERE IS WHAT IVE SPREAD IN GAME

-PAY 2 WIN how to implement in game-
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

everything that's going on in the forums and here in game are part of CCP's plan it looks like. in the Dev Blog thread a video was linked that shows what CCP's strategy is or at least its matching it so far with pin point accuracy... honestly Ive been protesting too and now after watching the video im sick to my stomach and i kinda feel helpless. anyways the visuals in the video aren't important it just has random pictures so you can just listen while still playing...

just in case you dont know eves browser wont open videos...

PS if you think its important info pass it around seriously WE GOTTA COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN OF ACTION... and im not smart enough to think of anything we can do

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:34:00 - [903]
 

Originally by: Doc Fury
That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense.

The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced.

As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant.







Yes we the players get that this is another PR stunt.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:40:00 - [904]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
NOPE I CANT GIVE UP!!! OK im basing info off the video if we are 2% of the actual game community we need to alert people in an organized way IN GAME Ive already sent this msg to at least 20 or more ppl using eve mail.. im in jita and there are plenty of ppl there to send to.. HERE IS WHAT IVE SPREAD IN GAME

-PAY 2 WIN how to implement in game-
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

everything that's going on in the forums and here in game are part of CCP's plan it looks like. in the Dev Blog thread a video was linked that shows what CCP's strategy is or at least its matching it so far with pin point accuracy... honestly Ive been protesting too and now after watching the video im sick to my stomach and i kinda feel helpless. anyways the visuals in the video aren't important it just has random pictures so you can just listen while still playing...

just in case you dont know eves browser wont open videos...

PS if you think its important info pass it around seriously WE GOTTA COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN OF ACTION... and im not smart enough to think of anything we can do


Don't bother with the ingame help channels either..... They mute you for mentioning the subject.

Trigz04
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:42:00 - [905]
 

I want to believe that "no gold ammo" means no non vanity items but I will be watching patiently before I let my hopes up.

Thrinaga
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:45:00 - [906]
 

Edited by: Thrinaga on 27/06/2011 02:02:04
I have nothing to add to this... discussion that has not already been, so instead I will give my opinion on the matter at hand: Give CCP time.

As was stated on a blog post located at http://tinyurl.com/65qmzb9 there are 3 commodities that are required for a community centered around an MMO to exist peacefully. Two of them have been lost, belief and trust, and not simply the players' trust in the developers at CCP. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that CCP is trying to do two things right now: Rebuild the trust the players used to have with them, to the best of their ability, and figure out how they can change and progress the future of EVE without running into such a large, angry, riotous backlash.

CCP Zulu has stated, in no uncertain terms mind you, that he has arranged an emergency meeting with the CSM a week from now in order to best discuss the situation at hand. Some of you are asking "Why doesn't CCP listen primarily to these forums instead?", to which I reply that the CSM is quite possibly the best avenue for them to do so. The CSM is chosen by the players, and it can be argued that the CSM holds the best interests of the game close at hand, because they love the game enough to participate in counseling the developers. The EVE forums are also a terrible avenue for this discussion regardless; There is no room or time for a proper "back & forth" discussion, and if one were to be had, it would either be done in private or would be interrupted by people ranting about the topic.

If CCP truly wants to meet with the CSM to discuss micro-transactions and the player base, then I will gladly let them. If CCP truly wants to restore the game to its former glory and awesome, which I sincerely believe they do, then both CCP and the CSM will walk away from their meeting pleased with the result. What I would like to see is two-fold: CCP gets to expand on their micro-transaction service, since it seems to me that they put a lot of money and effort on the table making this work, and the CSM will return with a legally (or, close enough to it as possible) binding document, signed by the head developers, announcing that there will be no NeX additions for 1-2 years, or perhaps even permanently, that will affect gameplay outside of the PLEX market, which based on how the NeX is structured is likely to be an unavoidable consequence.

However, in order for this issue to be resolved calmly and peacefully, we, the players of EVE - whether we are ambivalent, furious, or somewhere in between - MUST allow this to happen calmly and peacefully. If that means this forum thread is locked, so be it. With any luck, that will not happen, and this thread will be open for continued debate. But, the more time we spend frothing in anger and posting expletive-filled ultimatums into this discussion, the less likely that the calm, collected, INTELLIGENT discussion the CSM is heading to Iceland for will not happen.

This has been the voice of reason, signing off.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:46:00 - [907]
 

You have no "plans" to sell golden ammo. A year ago you had no "plans" for microtransactions. Now, you just have no credibility.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:57:00 - [908]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Atreus Venom
NOPE I CANT GIVE UP!!! OK im basing info off the video if we are 2% of the actual game community we need to alert people in an organized way IN GAME Ive already sent this msg to at least 20 or more ppl using eve mail.. im in jita and there are plenty of ppl there to send to.. HERE IS WHAT IVE SPREAD IN GAME

-PAY 2 WIN how to implement in game-
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

everything that's going on in the forums and here in game are part of CCP's plan it looks like. in the Dev Blog thread a video was linked that shows what CCP's strategy is or at least its matching it so far with pin point accuracy... honestly Ive been protesting too and now after watching the video im sick to my stomach and i kinda feel helpless. anyways the visuals in the video aren't important it just has random pictures so you can just listen while still playing...

just in case you dont know eves browser wont open videos...

PS if you think its important info pass it around seriously WE GOTTA COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN OF ACTION... and im not smart enough to think of anything we can do


Don't bother with the ingame help channels either..... They mute you for mentioning the subject.

yeah i think im permabanned from there

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:59:00 - [909]
 

Originally by: Thrinaga
I have nothing to add to this... discussion that has not already been, so instead I will give my opinion on the matter at hand: Give CCP time.

As was stated on a blog post located at http://tinyurl.com/65qmzb9 there are 3 commodities that are required for a community centered around an MMO to exist peacefully. Two of them have been lost, belief and trust, and not simply the players' trust in the developers at CCP. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that CCP is trying to do two things right now: Rebuild the trust the players used to have with them, to the best of their ability, and figure out how they can change and progress the future of EVE without running into such a large, angry, riotous backlash.

CCP Zulu has stated, in no uncertain terms mind you, that he has arranged an emergency meeting with the CSM a week from now in order to best discuss the situation at hand. Some of you are asking "Why doesn't CCP listen primarily to these forums instead?", to which I reply that the CSM is quite possibly the best avenue for them to do so. The CSM is chosen by the players, and it can be argued that the CSM holds the best interests of the game close at hand, because they love the game enough to participate in counseling the developers. The EVE forums are also a terrible avenue for this discussion regardless; There is no room or time for a proper "back & forth" discussion, and if one were to be had, it would either be done in private or would be interrupted by people ranting about the topic.

If CCP truly wants to meet with the CSM to discuss micro-transactions and the player base, then I will gladly let them. If CCP truly wants to restore the game to its former glory and awesome, which I sincerely believe they do, then both CCP and the CSM will walk away from their meeting pleased with the result. What I would like to see is two-fold: CCP gets to expand on their micro-transaction service, since it seems to me that they put a lot of money and effort on the table making this work, and the CSM will return with a legally (or, close enough to it as possible) binding document, signed by the head developers, announcing that there will be no NeX additions for 1-2 years, or perhaps even permanently, that will affect gameplay outside of the PLEX market, which based on how the NeX is structured to be an unavoidable consequence.

However, in order for this issue to be resolved calmly and peacefully, we, the players of EVE - whether we are ambivalent, furious, or somewhere in between - MUST allow this to happen calmly and peacefully. If that means this forum thread is locked, so be it. With any luck, that will not happen, and this thread will be open for continued debate. But, the more time we spend frothing in anger and posting expletive-filled ultimatums into this discussion, the less likely that the calm, collected, INTELLIGENT discussion the CSM is heading to Iceland for will not happen.

This has been the voice of reason, signing off.


have you seen the video... this is all part of the process... its going to work... unfortunately

Mr Rewrite
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:01:00 - [910]
 

Edited by: Mr Rewrite on 27/06/2011 02:02:19

This is a step in the right direction, too bad you have consistently crapped all over the supposed agreement to communicate and value the CSM input. I recall CSM leaving due to CCP failing to keep up their end of the claimed relationship. You've managed to use CSM as a false front, much like a political figurehead created to deflect attention and responsibility from the true plan an purpose for which the people would never support. Actions speak louder than words, keep up your end and the subscribers will stop having the déjà vu of Sony Online Entertainment's betrayal of the customers in Star Wars Galaxies. A game that made 3 horrid changes in a row without communicating them to the subscribers ahead of time and lost more than 40% of their customers within 2 months of the oft chronicled NGE. Since that debacle I've boycotted Sony to the point of only purchasing Bluray movies from Sony Pictures and Columbia. Pain is a powerful memory builder, think back to your parents smacking you @$$ and think before your next actions.

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:07:00 - [911]
 

The old saying... a dollar short and a day late comes to mind after reading this new blog.

Maybe this will be a learning exp for CCP. When your customers have questions/fears about a possible aspect of the game, address them as soon as you can.

But hey, there is another saying that comes to mind as well.... "better late, then never."

I am not planing on unsubbing because of any issue with the game as of right now. Can't see the future so no idea what might happen in a few months or longer. But, I am watching how they handle this. Because so far from a customer service stand point it isn't looking good..

I will hold out and see what happens.

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:11:00 - [912]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
This blog is a promising but much-delayed first step. The events of the past few days have left me feeling skeptical of the entire situation, since the May Summit itself went peachy, yet then these issues with the NeX prices cropped up, undiscussed, out of nowhere - not to mention the Hilmar mail, Greed is Good, et cetera.

Mark me down on the 'actions not words' end of the scale - In Reykjavik, I'm going to want to see exactly how the NeX prices were decided upon, how they were drafted, and which suits where were behind this nonsense - and who chose to not mention this to the CSM. Perhaps most important is understanding the degree of financial motivation behind this, and why it came from CCP like a bolt from the blue, and thus how likely similar bolts from the blue might be in the future.

I don't have much more to say beyond what I've already said on Eve Radio and in my CEO Update, which is crossposted on Kugu and Failheap.

We'll see how Reykjavik goes.


Knock some sense into them, please, even if you have to use physical force!

Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:13:00 - [913]
 

20 out of 30 pages, nothing but more whining, complaining, and word twisting.

Facts / Simple Opinions:
- Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.)

- CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus.

- Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics.

- They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions.

- DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively.

- Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins.

- The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion)

- The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness.

- The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words.

- A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised?

Now with that said, I'm in support of CCP, and will keep all my accounts subbed until CCP ever actually breaks a promise or does something wrong. I do not believe that CCP have done anything to lose our trust or faith in them. Those who are unsubscribing have made a very uninformed decision; however, I am not saddened by their departure. Someone who can rush to decisions like that, cursing CCP as they do it, is not someone I want to be playing with.


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:15:00 - [914]
 

Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
20 out of 30 pages, nothing but more whining, complaining, and word twisting.

Facts / Simple Opinions:
- Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.)

- CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus.

- Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics.

- They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions.

- DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively.

- Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins.

- The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion)

- The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness.

- The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words.

- A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised?

Now with that said, I'm in support of CCP, and will keep all my accounts subbed until CCP ever actually breaks a promise or does something wrong. I do not believe that CCP have done anything to lose our trust or faith in them. Those who are unsubscribing have made a very uninformed decision; however, I am not saddened by their departure. Someone who can rush to decisions like that, cursing CCP as they do it, is not someone I want to be playing with.




Too much kool-aid or paid well???? Which is it?

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:16:00 - [915]
 

Very disappointing.

You failed to answer the question yet again:

"Will you be going beyond micro-transactions for vanity items only?"

And

It is obvious by omission that you actually planned on doing so (despite promising you'd never do this on previous occasion), so much so that you now need an "emergency" meeting with the CSM to 'discuss' this issue.

Otherwise, why would you require any "emergency" meeting unless you want to break your previously stated commitment.

This stinks; especially because you can just pretend you're consulting the whole community rather than a few middlemen who only got voted in by a tiny fraction of the eve players (alliance mates for example) and who you tend to ignore anyway according to past CSMs just so you can use the kop-out phrase "we consulted the CSM" to explain why you'll be screwing over the rest of us and doing exactly what you planned regardless.

I expect a full-on CCP charm offensive to try to coerce and cajole the CSMs on their 2nd free holiday to Iceland, then if that doesn't work... a lot of waving the threatening non-disclosure agreements if they don't yap like lap-dogs at whatever crap you try to pedal them.

If the CSM have any integrity they will absolutely refuse to budge on this game ruining issue and mass resign if/when CCP try to go beyond vanity MTs just to make it clear.

I fully expect them to fail in this though and come back using phrases like "We did our utmost BUT..." and "We have to be realistic about this..."

Death throes of a dying game.


Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:19:00 - [916]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 02:19:00
Originally by: Trigz04
I want to believe that "no gold ammo" means no non vanity items but I will be watching patiently before I let my hopes up.


A year?

They said there would be "NO MT AT ALL" the DAY BEFORE the patch ROFL!

edit: this is not about MT.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:19:00 - [917]
 

Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
20 out of 30 pages, nothing but more whining, complaining, and word twisting.

Facts / Simple Opinions:
- Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.)

- CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus.

- Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics.

- They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions.

- DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively.

- Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins.

- The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion)

- The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness.

- The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words.

- A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised?

Now with that said, I'm in support of CCP, and will keep all my accounts subbed until CCP ever actually breaks a promise or does something wrong. I do not believe that CCP have done anything to lose our trust or faith in them. Those who are unsubscribing have made a very uninformed decision; however, I am not saddened by their departure. Someone who can rush to decisions like that, cursing CCP as they do it, is not someone I want to be playing with.




How much did CCP pay you.

I want the number in monocles BTW.

Wearfield
The Junkyard Dogs
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:21:00 - [918]
 

microtransactions in a subscription game! what more is there to talk about? f-ck csm.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:24:00 - [919]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 02:26:50
Originally by: Wearfield
microtransactions in a subscription game! what more is there to talk about? f-ck csm.


It's only a subscription game until we finish paying for WoD and DUST.

Then it will be F2P/P2W for the new 12yo audience who won't complain and won't demand.

They know "you can't have MT in subscription". It is only planned like that to milk us for cash-flow until they're finished.

edit: CFO assumed we were really dumb and had no experience with corporation stuff after training us on a game designed around it.

chrss2129 Erata
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:25:00 - [920]
 

Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
20 out of 30 pages, nothing but more whining, complaining, and word twisting.

Facts / Simple Opinions:
- Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.)

- CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus.

- Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics.

- They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions.

- DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively.

- Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins.

- The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion)

- The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness.

- The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words.

- A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised?

Now with that said, I'm in support of CCP, and will keep all my accounts subbed until CCP ever actually breaks a promise or does something wrong. I do not believe that CCP have done anything to lose our trust or faith in them. Those who are unsubscribing have made a very uninformed decision; however, I am not saddened by their departure. Someone who can rush to decisions like that, cursing CCP as they do it, is not someone I want to be playing with.




CCP Alt or Mindless sheep, you decide Laughing

Sarzadi
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:29:00 - [921]
 

Originally by: chrss2129 Erata
Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
20 out of 30 pages, nothing but more whining, complaining, and word twisting.

Facts / Simple Opinions:
- Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.)

- CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus.

- Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics.

- They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions.

- DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively.

- Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins.

- The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion)

- The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness.

- The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words.

- A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised?

Now with that said, I'm in support of CCP, and will keep all my accounts subbed until CCP ever actually breaks a promise or does something wrong. I do not believe that CCP have done anything to lose our trust or faith in them. Those who are unsubscribing have made a very uninformed decision; however, I am not saddened by their departure. Someone who can rush to decisions like that, cursing CCP as they do it, is not someone I want to be playing with.




CCP Alt or Mindless sheep, you decide Laughing


I'm going with sheep'ish CCP alt.

Jazz Styles
Minmatar
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:32:00 - [922]
 

Here's a tip for virtual goods - they can't be unbalancing to the game as it stands now. You can make 'gold ammo', but it can't be better than what's already available. You can make it 'interesting', 'different', and 'desirable', but it can't be an I WIN button.

For example:
  • Laser crystals that do kinetic damage.

  • Missiles with ECCM that don't provoke defender missiles to destroy them (this is mostly for missions, but I assume you're going to fix defenders at some point).

  • Unique ships with interesting bonuses; eg. An amarr battleship with drone and missile bonuses. Hell, you could make use of the ship models from that competition to flesh out a pool of premium ships that look spectacular.


So you've got plenty of wiggle room here I think! Cool

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:33:00 - [923]
 

Quote:
This stinks; especially because you can just pretend you're consulting the whole community rather than a few middlemen who only got voted in by a tiny fraction of the eve players (alliance mates for example)


No pubbie voting, no pubbie representation.


I'm altogether willing to wait this one out and see how it goes.

Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:35:00 - [924]
 

Edited by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu on 27/06/2011 02:36:32
*Puts hand on bible*

I swear that I am not an employee of, or affiliated with CCP.

I swear that I have not been paid by CCP to play the game or to post on the forums.

I swear that anybody who claims that I am affiliated with CCP, or have been paid by CCP, is nothing more than a forum troll.

*Takes hand off bible*

Better?

Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:37:00 - [925]
 

Ok, where to start...... here we go:

CCP Zulu: "The tone and demeanor of my blog on Friday did not correctly portray my emotions towards the community and player base at large."

Obviously not, you did that LAST time when you told us it was OUR responsibility to buy you more $1000 jeans with our subs AND MTs. Oh, btw, you STILL haven't explained why we should be paying BOTH. Rolling Eyes

CCP Zulu: "fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days."

Oh, I GET IT!!! YOU'RE the VICTIM here!!! NOT the people you are planning on financially raping. NIIICE. Of course, I thought TRANSPARENCY to the customers was something CCP was going TOWARDS, not AWAY from? I think we have finally reached a REMARKABLE level of transparency! I think we are FINALLY seeing the REAL CCP. Here's an idea! Why don't we make Fearless available for the customers to read all the time? I mean, why are CCP employee ideas more valid than ours? Or are you all just SPECIAL that way? You know, BETTER than us.

CCP Zulu: "For that I am sorry."

For that SPECIFIC thing and NOTHING else. Check. Got ya.

CCP Zulu: "strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship."

LIKE what you did there. This is THE strongest point of your piece. You are making the reader enter into an ASSUMPTION that there EVER was trust of you FROM the community and respect from you TO the community.

CCP Zulu: "Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week"

Calling in your highest paid fanbois to get your stories straight on how your going to spin this to the community. Check, and double check.

CCP Zulu: "The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE."

Like what you did here too. With this simple statement you get the reader into the frame of mind that not only are BUTTLOADS of MT coming to Eve, YOU (the reader) have ALREADY agreed to it through proxy of the CSM.

CCP Zulu: "However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum."

No gold ammo then? So, Gold modules perhaps instead?

CCP Zulu: "In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue."

Outright deception, and an outright LIE. For anyone with half a brain, it is PLAIN to see that "the debate" and "discussion" (if there ever WAS any) starts and stops on page 7 of Fearless. The rest of the document, all the way through page 13 is talking about how MTs are GOING to be forced down our throats in ALL THREE of you current projects: Dust, WoD, AND Eve.

CCP Zulu: "Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM."

Yeah, we should all STFU, and let you recover so you can come up with some more convincing spin. Check.

CCP Zulu: "Thank you for your patience"

Again, you attempt to make the reader buy into something automatically that is and has never been true. Namely, that we have any or ever have had any patience for or with YOU.

Message to all others at CCP: You should really STOP having this A$$HAT talk for you. His credability is completely shot by his repeated lies.

Yeah, that about says it all. I am done wasteing my time on you Zulu. Somebody poke me when someone we might actually be able to take seriously from CCP open thier mouth.

/out

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:39:00 - [926]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 02:40:39
Ok just read the devblog for the 5th time.

It says "We are pushing ahead."

Quote:
to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.


Quote:
agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve


"Hi CSM, we are doing this. Nope can't change that, agree? Good."

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:42:00 - [927]
 

Edited by: Zephy Russ on 27/06/2011 02:43:04
You are incorrect in assuming that we never had any trust, respect and patience with the devs. As to the rest... meh, possibly.

They are going to have MT. That's a fact. They never said or implied that they will push ahead with non-vanity MT.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:54:00 - [928]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 02:40:39
Ok just read the devblog for the 5th time.

It says "We are pushing ahead."

Quote:
to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.


Quote:
agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve


"Hi CSM, we are doing this. Nope can't change that, agree? Good."

Oh, right, because 'virtual goods' can't possibly refer to just clothing and war paint and the like, it must refer to uber modules, ships, and ammo! Rolling Eyes

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:54:00 - [929]
 

This thread has slowed to a crawl compared to the previous ones. This is a good sign that this Dev-blog has given the player base what they wanted in the beginning. I know it satisfied me for the most part. The only people still posting are the stragglers and a bunch of trolls...

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:55:00 - [930]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 02:40:39
Ok just read the devblog for the 5th time.

It says "We are pushing ahead."

Quote:
to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.


Quote:
agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve


"Hi CSM, we are doing this. Nope can't change that, agree? Good."



If they do that, they will wish that the Sony takeover rumors were truth.
Hell after the resulting PR backlash not even Zygna would take them for a monocle.

So I will give them the benefit of doubt for the next week.
I have till the 10th left to rage :)


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