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Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:25:00 - [871]
 

I used to think CCP was a company that existed to make games by making money
I now think CCP is a company that exists to make money by making games


While addressing this issue taking a firm stance and making a decision will help fix the current issues in the community you need to fix the deeper issues with CCP and eve to prevent things like this from happening. This is about how you run your business, what your goals are and what you value, and communicating (pls improve your communication, it is horrible) them with your customers.

Captain Macanudo
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:29:00 - [872]
 

Originally by: Menden Kahoudi
All emotions aside and critically put:

Everyone posting in this thread is less than 2% of the player base. Eve will move forward with or without you. This PRODUCTION will move forward. The CROWD will be CONTROLLED. See what I did there?

Metrics > Forum opinions.


+1

That's it.

Enough of desperate pleas such as "CCP, I want this", "CCP hear this", "CCP you can't do that" .
It is pure childishness.

They (CCP) will opt for what is more advantageous and
keep the EVE online.

I'm just wait for the next official statement as
to whether I will or not stay in the game. If you
agree or disagree with the decisions taken by them.

The whole thing is binary: yes or no, 1 or 0.

Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:29:00 - [873]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
We've already scored a win, asking for more would be rather churlish. I'm personally putting down my pitchfork for the time being, and unlike many of you I trust that I'll not have to pick it back up again.


What win? Wake up, please. There are no answers. The logical reduction of the whole message is:
"Sorry, we need more time to convince you. And we will invite CSM members so you guys can't complain."

Azzma
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:32:00 - [874]
 

Mittani for CEO of CCP who would've thought the goon leader is the 1 who can save this game

SoltonGris
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:33:00 - [875]
 

"There are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum"

Sorry but this just sounds like weasel words to me.

The words we need to hear from CCP are:

There will NEVER be ANY Non-Vanity MT items for sale in EVE.

Anything else does not make the grade, you have lost our trust and you now need to be very precise in your wording till you earn back that trust.

The second most important thing people seem to want to hear from you is that CQ will be changed so that you arrive in station hanger as normal and then have the option to enter CQ. (People want spinning in stations, not spin in dev blogs)

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:34:00 - [876]
 

I'm not in a dream to start with. They've made plans to have a meeting with the CSM, that's definitive evidence that we've affected them enough to either listen to the CSM or at least break out the big PR guns. I'm entirely content with them buying more time, especially since the big yellow question has been answered. I wouldn't say it's a perfect answer, but the spirit of the piece says no gameplay-affecting items, and that's a good start. Asking for more at this point would be silly, wait until after the meeting.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:35:00 - [877]
 

CCP's Mindset" <--- This makes EVERYTHING CLEAR... we are watching what you do not what you say.... Expensive clothes at first.... and lowering the prices when they add game changing items.... SO if you watch this video YOU REALLY DONT NEED A DEV BLOG TO SEE WHATS GONNA HAPPEN... it all makes since... now we can calmly just sit back and watch it happen... THIS GUY IN THE VIDEO MAKES ME WANT TO PUNCH A BABY.... HOLY **** im listening to the end while writting this and he says pretty much the same thing ZULU did about pants but he used sports equipment.. OMG i am almost sure everyone at CCP watched this and bought into it... omg he ends it by saying the players accept it and then demand it... there really is nothing we can do... they are probably going to make CSM watch this video too ugh... EVE as we know it is dead because CCP is in fact being GREEDY.. and on the business end more revenue means they have a good game... btw the only ones who demand game changing items are the ones willing to buy them so they can have the best of the best **** even though that money could have been used on more important things... but honestly as i start thinking about it more and more... maybe it wont be so bad cuz some idiot goes and spends money on a ship weapons and fittings and then i blow him up and get his ****... well when it does happen I DEMAND P2W items drop from wreckage

Manos Heimenbarger
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:39:00 - [878]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
I'm not in a dream to start with. They've made plans to have a meeting with the CSM, that's definitive evidence that we've affected them enough to either listen to the CSM or at least break out the big PR guns. I'm entirely content with them buying more time, especially since the big yellow question has been answered. I wouldn't say it's a perfect answer, but the spirit of the piece says no gameplay-affecting items, and that's a good start. Asking for more at this point would be silly, wait until after the meeting.


Unfortunately it does not say no gameplay-affecting items. It says there are no plans for gameplay-affecting items. Look at what they said one year ago.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7

"We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE."

One year later, we have an microtransaction store.

I do not deny that this is progress, but it still fails to give me any real confidence.

Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:40:00 - [879]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
I'm not in a dream to start with. They've made plans to have a meeting with the CSM, that's definitive evidence that we've affected them enough to either listen to the CSM or at least break out the big PR guns. I'm entirely content with them buying more time, especially since the big yellow question has been answered. I wouldn't say it's a perfect answer, but the spirit of the piece says no gameplay-affecting items, and that's a good start. Asking for more at this point would be silly, wait until after the meeting.


They have not made plans to listen to the CSM, they have made plans to appease us and limit the number of persons to impress. ;)

All the playerbase wants is a definite NO to game effecting items in the shop.
Let people buy monocles there and shoot them, because they should have no depth-sight with em anymore.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:43:00 - [880]
 

Hopefully the minutes of this emergency meeting will be as informative as the minutes from the May summit. Just so everyone knows what I'm talking about can someone link the May summit minutes for me?... Anyone?... Hello??

*cricket* *cricket* *cricket*

Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:44:00 - [881]
 

A subscription for the CMS guys to carry with them with all the names of players that will quit if and when game effecting items will enter the game might be very helpful, btw.


Tyby
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:46:00 - [882]
 


Quote:
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say.


Evil or Very Mad

Kern Hotha
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:49:00 - [883]
 

Another worthless blog. Just hand this duty off to someone else, because you're not getting the job done.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:50:00 - [884]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
We've already scored a win, asking for more would be rather churlish. I'm personally putting down my pitchfork for the time being, and unlike many of you I trust that I'll not have to pick it back up again.


Im sorry but what are you smoking that distorts your brain this much?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:51:00 - [885]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 27/06/2011 00:53:32

CCP Zulu, is that you?

I've been playing EVE for 2 years. Not much, perhaps, compared to the vets, but long enough not to just quit overnight. Like many other people, I suspect, I have not been looking for an excuse to leave, but for a reason to stay. And this blog of yours may very well be it.

Personally I don't care for vanity items. Sell 52 monocles, or 5,200, I don't care. And I would probably even buy a few clothes if they were prettier, and not priced so outrageously. Yet, to get to the point, all I foremost wanted was for CCP to take its customers seriously, and to grasp that P2W items, wide across the board, are a considered a big game-breaking no-no. It would appear the message has arrived. That is good enough for me, for now.

I hope you and the CSM have a fruitful meeting.

Thank you.

Shiv Undano
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:52:00 - [886]
 

Originally by: Captain Macanudo
Originally by: Menden Kahoudi
All emotions aside and critically put:

Everyone posting in this thread is less than 2% of the player base. Eve will move forward with or without you. This PRODUCTION will move forward. The CROWD will be CONTROLLED. See what I did there?

Metrics > Forum opinions.


+1

That's it.

Enough of desperate pleas such as "CCP, I want this", "CCP hear this", "CCP you can't do that" .
It is pure childishness.

They (CCP) will opt for what is more advantageous and
keep the EVE online.

I'm just wait for the next official statement as
to whether I will or not stay in the game. If you
agree or disagree with the decisions taken by them.

The whole thing is binary: yes or no, 1 or 0.


No, the whole thing is not binary. You analyze a TV show, you don't go for 100% of the viewer base either.

Anyway... What you say is: Shut up and do nothing.

I hope most people agree, it is not an healthy attitude.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:58:00 - [887]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 00:58:46

MISSED THE POINT



Where is Hilmars Blog we asked for days ago?



The one that shows CCP isn't disconnected from reality and explains to us the TRUTH.

You think a staff members word means ****?

HyperZerg
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:00:00 - [888]
 

The difference between the presentation and EVE is: Eve got a subscribption fee. Also the playerbase of eve seem a little bit more active then the one of a shooter-based game [Less Chrun].
The active players complaining and spend more money right now, got more then 1 account. If you want to loose them, do it.

Sure, CCP just wants to make more money, they are a company. If they can achive it by destroying EVE as we know it, why not ? They only risk their playerbase.

But watch out, there are also many players out there, not active in the forums canceling their accounts, but you got the data anyway.

P.s. this devblog reminds me of the german Chancellor of the Confederation. Allways talking about a common solution, not a good one. The speeches sounds great but they are still empty.

I would love to see what happens if the CSM tells you to remove ALL MT out of Eve :P could be a VERY long week for them ;)

Consortium Agent
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:01:00 - [889]
 

Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 26/06/2011 19:30:31
Originally by: Consortium Agent
Will you be selling non-vanity items in the MT store?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540116&page=9#252

The CSMs and the developers are on the same page, since the term "gold ammo" has the origin from World of Tanks. As that link states, it means any tangible improvement, from ships to ammo.

I will continue to post this for those who are so far beyond rationality and intellectual maturity that they couldn't read their way out of the alphabet.


I did not attack you personally and therefor there is no need to attack me personally, but since you have... I will return in kind.

You are a clueless drone. CCP didn't say anything of merit. Referring to 'gold ammo' as it might have applied to another game entirely and then extrapolating that it's code for 'anything non-vanity in the game' is a stretch even for your moronic brain. It's extrapolation. You could very easily be dead wrong as much as I could be dead wrong. WTF gives you the right to think your extrapolation is any better than mine? Until *I* get a clear answer 'No we will never, ever sell non-vanity items in Eve' then I'm going to firmly believe that they will. I know the history of this company and they have done nothing but lie to us and pander to our concerns with vague words that are still open to interpretation. Your interpretation happens to be 'we won!' - my interpretation happens to be 'they didn't answer the question'. Only time will tell which of us is right, eh? So sit down and STFU. You're no smarter than anyone else here and an ambiguous answer is an ambiguous answer I don't care how you or anyone else here tries to spin it.

You are a moron and I can't wait to see the look on your face when the CSM returns with bad news

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:01:00 - [890]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
We've already scored a win, asking for more would be rather churlish. I'm personally putting down my pitchfork for the time being, and unlike many of you I trust that I'll not have to pick it back up again.


Where's this "win"? Getting them to stop loudly proclaiming "F*ck you!" is a win now? They're still unable to state categorically that we will not see non-cosmetic items for Aurum even just in the next year. They still dance around the subject and use vague and noncommital terms and timeframes.

It's not a campaign for political office. We should be able to get some simple yes/no answers out of CCP.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:02:00 - [891]
 

All this posturing is just that, posturing. At the end of the day, if micro-transactions are in the game (at all!), there will be negative feedback.

This is not because of CCPs approach to MT, it's because I (and I vouch for most mmo vets) have NEVER seen MT improve the gameplay or experience of an mmo.

MT cheapens a game, and makes an mmo feel less like a virtual world and more like a cash shop.

Eve hides MT behind PLEX -> AUR, but this convoluted system will (obviously) increase demand for PLEX, which means if supply remains the same prices will rise. As PLEX rises more people will be tempted to drop $30 because they're getting more bang for their buck. This ofc means that the end result is we have more people paying real money to get ahead in the universe. This cheapens the game, and makes it much less immersive from my perspective.

CCP will end up making more cash off of MT, but at what cost? At the cost of the immense awe that a player feels as he joins a hostile, perpetual universe, that's my guess. MT chips away at what makes eve, eve.

MT for clothes is fine. Please stop it there.

tika te
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:10:00 - [892]
 

Edited by: tika te on 27/06/2011 01:12:09
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: tika te
Edited by: tika te on 26/06/2011 23:40:28
they dont care. face it.
pay2win or "how winbutton works.."


no seriously this link is it tied to CCP AT ALL if so how do you know?


well tbh, im not the first one wo put that link on the forums here.

however i'm living i the german city mentioned in that presentation (you remember those ppl that developed spellforce?)
i sometimes see a friend of mine (working there) when playing texas hold'em..last time we actually talked about free2play games out there (league of legends is quite popular here) and he agrees that this bussines model ("pay20wn") is spreading like fire - investors and higer management get $$ signs in their eyes in the very same moment they notice it...

another thing worth noticing is about the monoclegate (insane nex prices)..there is a method called price anchoring...

Madcow
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:15:00 - [893]
 

Edited by: Madcow on 27/06/2011 01:15:34
Wow what a whining here in this post it is precisly what he says no game changing vanity items the no gold ammo. It was what most of the forum whiners where also calling it.
And the monicle if you cant pay the billions of isk for it dont cry about it.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:23:00 - [894]
 

Originally by: Madcow
he says no game changing vanity items the no gold ammo.


Where?

"game changing vanity item"? Oxymoron much?

Menden Kahoudi
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:24:00 - [895]
 

Predictable:

No one buys the vanity items, causing a revenue problem. This forces them to sell non-vanity items.

Some people buy vanity items, but it won't be enough revenue (Pro-tip: it is never enough). This forces them to sell non-vanity items.

Tons of people buy Quafe t-shirts or whatever and they MIGHT not sell non-vanity items.

That is how I see this shaking out.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 - [896]
 

Originally by: Madcow
Edited by: Madcow on 27/06/2011 01:15:34
Wow what a whining here in this post it is precisly what he says no game changing vanity items the no gold ammo. It was what most of the forum whiners where also calling it.
And the monicle if you cant pay the billions of isk for it dont cry about it.

dude.. seriously... do you have brain damage u still dont get it... u probably havent watched the video that was just linked or read much of ANYTHING else in here.. and if you have... I am so sorry maybe in time your brain will function fully again... the new direction i predict isnt waiting on a response anymore its how do we stop them from doing it... cause

When they add the p2w items
A) it will work.. they will make more money
B) if the video is correct and unfortunately i think it is (im taking a real honest look at myself for this one and i probably wont quit and would buy some ****) God i hate myself
C) everything happening in the forums is normal and they will move forward just like the leaked newsletter and the video BOTH said
but other than that... i wonder.... u know what **** it... i dont know what to say anymore that video has seriously hit a nerve and i can actually SEE it happening now... ugh

Candente
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 - [897]
 

meh so much bawwing in this thread it's not even funny.

I don't really see a problem in 'tone' from the last devblog, but rather 'logic'. I still laugh at relating "designer jeans" to the ridiculous high priced items in the Nex...

The CSM won't really tell CCP anything new other than "players don't want MT", which I am pretty sure CCP knows already, yet will not stop adding non-vanity items, be it sooner or later.

So in the end, it looks like:

1) It is going to happen, in term as non-vanity stuff get into the store.
2) People who don't like it hopefully will unsub and forum may become a bit more serene.
3) Hopefully CSM are realists and CCP realizes $70 monocle is a dumb price. It will be a good idea to consult CSM on a reasonable price range.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 - [898]
 

Originally by: Goatse Girl
Resubbed! much love CCP ZULU!


TO SOON! YOU HAVE RESUBBED TOO SOON, EXECUTUS! WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS ADORATION?

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [899]
 

I trust the devs and I'm not given to useless melodrama. I'm not being stupid, just rational. We aren't going to get any further until after the meeting anyway.

Zief
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [900]
 

Thank you for the update as well as the tone you gave it in. We all get angry and make mistakes, sometimes it's a hard thing to admit that and apologize.

I'm still worried about real world game changers being sold for Aurum, as well as CQ being more of a hinderance than fun, hardware heat issues, and the exorbitant prices in the Noble Exchange. BUT, I'm happy you've called a meeting and will will be content to wait to hear the fallout.


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