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Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:51:00 - [751]
 

Originally by: Velocity Prime
Thanks to the new Arum stuff, CCP now have the money to burn on emergency "oh ****" plane tickets for the CSM.




How many plane tickets can I get with 52 monocles?

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:51:00 - [752]
 

I see that CCP guys are reading this and would like to post 1 more time here... I don't like being mad at CCP and I am glad that you guys finally where able to come out with a coherent and good post, even if it did take you 3 tries. Lets move on and get this train back on track now... I <3 you guys Wink and I complain because I care.

Chibisuke
Gallente
Children of Avalon
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:53:00 - [753]
 

To quote a well known CCP guy:

I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:53:00 - [754]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
Originally by: Idle Bow

b) If I remember correctly presentations of CCP's CTO, SONY had invested time (at least time) in DUST 514. They even invited CCP in E3 on SONY's stage. It was quite surprising, as not very typical. Usually they will force you to undress if you want to do something with them. That shows their believe and interest in DUST 514. As things became public, I believe CCP had got more constraints to deal with. Deadlines can be part of that. CCP had invested LOTS money into DUST and imagine what happens when platform provider starts to put it's conditions in current phase of project. I think one of results of this can be declaration of DUST as exclusive to PS (earlier XBOX was in the list), and declaration of exclusiveness had put CCP even in more weak position, so deadlines become damn important and title looses its independence. If you are in trouble with deadlines and do not have capacity to boost work, you need to make fund-rising. That may lead to "real business" in eve. That could also lead to sales of company shares. CCP_Fallout had twitted that deal with SOE isn't being discussed. But usually until the deal is signed, all talks are being kept secret (from employees also). Especially if that is about significant amounts of shares.

It is possible that CCP is in damn bad situation because of SONY and no more independent de facto. And SONY on top of CCP could be the worst news for Eve..


Yeah maybe there is something in this...
Idk how that works in a software industry, but in some branches of business if you dont meet the deadline you pay reparations...and thats bad...pretty bad.
So in a way maybe sony doesnt have ccp (yet) but they have them by the balls in their grip...


They chose to get in bed with sony.

And they are punishing us as a result of a bad decision. That is not ok with me.

Kynder Furlow
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:54:00 - [755]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Kazturkey
I accept this. Bringing the CSM to Iceland really shows you're not just going into damage control, you want to fix this.

/hugs

I missed you guys <3


+1


+1

Velios
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:55:00 - [756]
 

Just look at my beautiful 60 dollar monocle.

Kah Niel
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:56:00 - [757]
 

Edited by: Kah Niel on 26/06/2011 22:04:50

Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:56:00 - [758]
 

Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Kazturkey
I accept this. Bringing the CSM to Iceland really shows you're not just going into damage control, you want to fix this.

/hugs

I missed you guys <3


+1


+1


+1

Adrian Dixon
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:58:00 - [759]
 

Microtransactions will consume CCP, all thier development time will go into new vanity items only, all thier promotions will go into selling the vanity items. The game will suffer because the devs attention will be in the wrong place... Selling vanity items pusing vanity items. Every time the vanity items take a dip in sales the devs will be called into in crisis meetings and asked to dream up new ways to maker players part with thier money.

This is another reason why I would like to see the NeX store close and Microtransactions abandoned for good. No Vanity Items, No Pay to Win.

Argus Eritaramis
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:00:00 - [760]
 

Enough lawyering and wrapping words around stuff.
Speak plainly.

Will there or will there not be ANY non-vanity items in the foreseeable future of eve, that will be sold through MT's ?

Until a clear answer to that is made, I see no reason to renew my subscriptions.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Indy Rider
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:01:00 - [761]
 

"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players CCP do and less of what you say."

Quote:
to help us define and address the real underlying concerns,


...

Isn't it obvious?

Free anyone who was banned because of this "broken trust".

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:01:00 - [762]
 

Why should someone pay monthly subs AND have to pay for extra content ingame.
Ships should have corp logo as standard, the players have asked for it enough times.
We don't have server capacity to allow painted ships, it would create to much lag.
Oh really, but we can pay for it, in the shop and its ok.Evil or Very Mad
What have you been doing with my subs for the last 5 years.

Kah Niel
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:01:00 - [763]
 

Edited by: Kah Niel on 26/06/2011 22:04:14
i would just like to ask ccp this..

why do u hate ur solid subs?
i meen, is it so har for u to see ur taking eve in a direction no one likes?
also, the selling of stuff better than what others can obtain or even equal to, i meen eve economy is so nice cos its mainly build on what people makes,
i also think alot of people fear that skillpoint boosts in some way will get implentet.. when ccp doesent care at all that people are telling them to stop this stupid idea of selling stuff whit for aurum,
i start fearing what will be its end lol,
so u gonna sell skillpoints too? and say **** u to all thoes of us who been playing eve for years? thoes of us who have paid our subs, trained our chars, and enjoyed eve for a long time, to get to were we are now.. why not just sell it to some random 10 day char, for aurum? that would make u some money ccp, make u some money as well as turn u into one of thoes p2w ame that most of the eve comunity ccp zulu claims to like hate more than anything... its not like eve is the only space game, so why do we play eve instead of one of the others? cos eve is not a p2w game, i thought u were better than this ccp, and i think most of ur subs did, so thanks for ****ing us all up, and not carring im sure we all apreacite ur lag of concern..

also to this..
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Kazturkey
I accept this. Bringing the CSM to Iceland really shows you're not just going into damage control, you want to fix this.

/hugs

I missed you guys <3


+1


i call damage control x2 lol, ohh no things are going wrong! lets call csm to iceland itl buy us a few days! when they get here we can then try to convince them they should speak our case and try to get people to spend tons of money on aurum!
i meen ccp... u seen the logs from jita rens and everywere els, i do belive alot of people have been spaming something close to "NO MT IN EVE" is it realy that hard to missunderstand?

noldevin
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:02:00 - [764]
 

This is exactly what should have been done in the first place. Though, I do understand the feelings behind the first dev blog, there probably should have been someone acting as a check and balance to see that it shouldn't have been released as an official response.

The most important thing is that CCP fully take heed of everything the CSM brings to the table. I suppose the meetings will be our moment of truth.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:06:00 - [765]
 

Pretty ****ing unsubstantial, but I was hardly expecting CCP to **** doves out their ass.

You've bought yourselves about a week. The end result had better be pretty ****ing fancy.

Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:06:00 - [766]
 

Thank you for talking to us.

We all want CCP to profitt and succeed as much as you do. We want you to make loads of money because it lets us fly our internet spaceships around. Work with us, your players, and we will make you rich, but not at the expense of the game we love. As soon as you give us a solid assurance that micro-transactions will never be more than vanity items, I'll even buy one of your bloody monacles. If you can't give us that assurance, then I will sadly wander off to find something else to spend my dollars on.

Regards,

T A

BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:11:00 - [767]
 

Edited by: BeauChaotica on 26/06/2011 22:13:42
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Why should someone pay monthly subs AND have to pay for extra content ingame.
Ships should have corp logo as standard, the players have asked for it enough times.
We don't have server capacity to allow painted ships, it would create to much lag.
Oh really, but we can pay for it, in the shop and its ok.Evil or Very Mad
What have you been doing with my subs for the last 5 years.


+1

Concise, to the point...people are already beginning to vote with their feet. I just hope to god CCP aren't actually what they currently appear to be.

Originally by: Baillif


QFT. The biggest concern I have is CCP itself. There seems to be a cancer eating it from within. Between

1. The leaked emails and internal communications showing their horrible internal messaging

2. The inability of the company to do something as simple as upgrade the forum in reasonable timeframe

3. The obvious gaping rift that has formed between CCP and reality (as well as their customer base).

4. The recent drop in quality and quantity of expansion.

5. The horrible business decisions made with WoD and Dust 514 that I don't think anyone expects to see succeed.

6. The dissatisfaction of CCP's own employees.

7. The broken promises.

8. The laughable launch of Incarna as a feature that is an obvious launching pad to MT, and serves little to no other in game purpose.

9. The disregard and utter contempt for the Eve player base expressed by their own CEO.

10. The laughably stupid decisions being made (such as martyring players) which illustrate just how dysfunctional the company has become.


This has all the makings of a gigantic failscade. For a company called Crowd Control Productions you guys sure aren't doing a very good job.

Wake up call. Your game isn't that great. What makes it great is the player base and the community, and you've damaged it and ****ed it off.


+1 again.

Elliott Calvadeux
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:11:00 - [768]
 

Edited by: Elliott Calvadeux on 26/06/2011 22:12:04
I'd still like it said the way the CSM wants it said so there can't be any ambiguity at all. Accounts will remain canceled until I see what the CSM meeting results in.

Here's hoping.

Edit: also thanks for talking to us.

Deliceous
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:11:00 - [769]
 

All I see is a bunch of whiners, which won't allow CCP eve brain storm ideas

If you are going to have a game that continues to be grow and does not die due to attrition then you have to take chances, Aurum is not a big change since we have had plex since 2007,

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:11:00 - [770]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Julian Kirov

Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win


This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!

This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.

Interesting. Means the Aurum store for Dust will most likely be very successful. However, the minimum ARPU for Eve is already $15 as it isn't f2p.

Slozhenitsyn
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:12:00 - [771]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Ghoest
Ill watch what you do not what you say.

As will the CSM.

Originally by: Innominate
Lies, spin, and equivocation. "Gold ammo" is a catch-all for anything affecting gameplay, and I suspect you're not using it as such here.

I can tell you without fear of contradiction that "Gold ammo" is shorthand for "any non-vanity item".

Originally by: Innominate
"Please stop talking about this."

On the contrary; start talking about it. Make sure that the CSM, your representatives, is absolutely clear about your opinions. I think we are, but there are always nuances.

Originally by: Weaselior
This sentence is a nightmare, please confirm what it means is "there will not be any 'gold ammo', i.e. non-vanity 'micro' transactions".

When CSM was asked for input on the devblog, I was concerned about this wording. Here is the alternate wording that I suggested, which I believe expresses the essence of CCP Zulu's intent:

However, I want to make one thing absolutely clear. Despite the impression given by the "point-counterpoint" debate that appeared in the Fearless newsletter, there have never at any time been any plans to sell "gold ammo" or any other game-affecting goods for Aurum.

Originally by: Buzzmong
I'll EvEmail this as well to the CSM members as I suspect you'll miss this.

Thanks, appreciated. You can also email me directly at trebor-csm@animeigo.com


Zarlis
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:12:00 - [772]
 

Curious devblog title. After seeing it was expecting the content to be another **** you blog like the last one. Left pleasantly surprised.

Also the community use the term "golden ammo" as a catch all for all things spaceship related that you shouldn't be selling in the store. So if this isn't what you had in mind you had better clarify things fast.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:12:00 - [773]
 

Edited by: Alpheias on 26/06/2011 22:14:13
You speak of mutual trust and respect? Make the CSM meeting June 30th official and not something that is being discussed behind closed doors and let the elected CSM members speak their minds publicly rather than forced to stay silent due to the NDA. And remember, Zulu, it was you who were pleased when the community called CCP out on bull****.

Your piece honestly look like the corporate template PR consultants ask you to throw out when the **** hits the fan. But yes, it would actually be a nice change, if you now meant what you wrote, if you and the company you represent would live up to it.

Teako
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:13:00 - [774]
 

Edited by: Teako on 26/06/2011 22:13:50
So a new blog with basicly nothing and a bunch of spin. Still no action. Still a fail.

He is not sorry for any of this. He is only sorry for he didnt express himself better the first time.

Ariel Nova
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:13:00 - [775]
 

Originally by: Amber Villaneous
OK CCP you win.

It is quite obvious you could not say "We will never sell non-vanity items".

My subs have been in cancellation status for 3 days and there is no chance that will ever change now.




They cannot say "no non-vanity items ever" because they need us to dump PLEX into Aurum, thus they will offer whatever they need to offer to get that to happen. If they do say it, they will retract it if people continue to horde PLEX (myself included) and they feel it will help.

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:16:00 - [776]
 

Originally by: Julian Kirov

Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win




This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!

This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.


Glaso Fruixette
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:16:00 - [777]
 

Not enough i'd say. The players are in a state of rage and instead of a bloody piece of meat you throw in some tofu steak....

GRiMsReAPeR
Amarr
inFluX.
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:16:00 - [778]
 

The absolute disrespect to paying customers by a high ranking CCP member is something that should NEVER happen NO MATTER WHAT. You are running a corporation intending to make a profit by making customers happy and bringing in REPEAT SALES. The fact that you are not going in a direction that makes them happy, and then releasing a blog and basically calling your WHOLE player base Idiots and Vain people who would buy 1000 dollar jeans, and then compare it to PIXELS, and say why not is rediculous. And then posting this sorry ass apology tops it. If you went through the ranks in CCP, or were chosen to deal with this, you need to be more responsible and get this MORE HUMBLE, and even more PROFESSIONAL. Theres no reason why your personal feelings should give you the ok to personally DISRESPECT the members of this community and people WHO PAY YOUR SALARY.

OnlyMyRailGun
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:19:00 - [779]
 

We can wait for a week. Just a week!

I hope the meeting will not add gas to the fire~

Prometheus Pyrphoros
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:20:00 - [780]
 

Who in here bought a monocle? show of hands!

I mean for me it was never about the monocle. Sure it is overpriced but who cares? As long as it does not influence fights they can sell whatever they want to fools willing to buy it.

However It is disturbing that a simple thing with no in game effect that doesn't even look that cool (sorry CCP) sells for the price of a fully fitted carrier. I mean if it were a custom ship skin for your corp or alliance or something like that I would understand but..

Anyway contest: 10m isk for the first to post with a monocle on (in?) his or her avatar. Trust me I am good for it!

PS We are having a lot of fun with the subject. Losses are now counted in monocles not billions.

Freyja Blake > just 4? thats either 1bill or just over in those 4 ships >.>
Prometheus Pyrphoros > my god you can buy a monocle for that
Takashi Halamoto > no wed need another 3 losses for a monocle


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