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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [31]

Doesn't actually say that they will never sell pay to win items, but I guess the answer is better than nothing for now. Will have to wait and see what happens with the CSM before any final opinion is issued.

STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [32]


Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [33]

What about other non vanity items all you talked about was gold ammo. Still not the blog we want, but at least your trying lol.

Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [34]


mind you all you had to say to please everyone is

no money for "gold ammo" and most people would be appeased

but, extra free holiday for the csm is cool

Trebor Daehdoow
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [35]


Thank you for clarifying matters. I know from the consultations you have had with CSM that this has been a wrenching weekend.

Given the high level of passion that surrounds recent events, I know that some will be tempted to speculate about the possibility of gold ammo in the future. But realistically, nobody knows what the landscape will be years from now, and as comforting as "no gold ammo, not now, not ever" might be, I understand why you can't definitely say that.

But as we all know, it takes CCP :18months: to do anything. Twisted Evil

With respect to the other issues of the day, I look forward to discussing them in Iceland and reporting back to the players as soon as possible. From the discussions that have already been occurring in our internal forums and on Skype, I am cautiously optimistic.

The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [36]

Seemed appropriate:

"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say"

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [37]

Edited by: Jason Edwards on 26/06/2011 18:42:02

CSM has made it quite clear that they made it very clear to CCP no non-vanity ****. Yet that fearless gold ammo came along. You will need to release all these newsletters to show a long history or terrible troll ideas.

Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [38]

You don't need a meeting with the CSM to know what needs fixing. You are just wasting more time.

Rawr Cristina
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [39]


Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [40]

Well, it looks like there won't be non-vanity items, probably. I'm not sure if this is a u-turn, or a lack of clear communication in the first place. I suspect it may be the former, but it seems encouraging anyway.

Tachibana Kanade
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [41]

Whats different between holding a normal civil talk in skype or something?

Time buying I call it.

Not everyone in CSM can just go out of emergency to iceland, or at least I imagine.


Teladi Profit Company
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [42]

I would like to know one thing other than main issue of mt Pay to Win:

What are your plans on space part of your game? Bug fixes, fixes of long broken content like COSMOS, FW. Or will next year or two will be completly about Incarna with Super Caps everywhere and hybrids in sorry state?

Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [43]

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 26/06/2011 18:55:07
to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy

That does not sound like a NO and looking at the blog title that's all I needed to know

Thanks for the update and have a nice weekend

Xia Long
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [44]

thanks for the "apologies" Zulu (not joking) but
i really think waiting another week to discuss the topic "live" with the CSM is not the soultion
CSM =/= EVE comunity, they represent just a small portion of it

Pegasus Battle Group
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [45]

Edited by: Belloche on 26/06/2011 18:49:15
It is actions that Hilmar wants to see, not words. I will remain unsubbed until CCP's ACTIONS match their words. On 6/24/10 we were told, point blank, that CCP had no plans to introduce ANY type of MT whatsoever. Now we have the NEX shop. You are gathering the CSM next week when they have been telling you the whole time what needed doing. They tried to tell you BEFORE this happened. Why should we believe you now? Why?

The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [46]

I will keep my accounts unsubbed while I wait for a real answer.

Shadow XII
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:38:00 - [47]

Originally by: Ghoest
Ill watch what you do not what you say.

Amen brother.

CCP, due to this, I'm confident you will make the right decision. The CSM is siding with the players on this issue, IE do not make gold ammo and ships on the Nex.

Zulu has now confirmed this is rumor and speculation, and not planned implementation.

You have regained my trust... for now. But I'll be watching very closely.

Onyx Blackman
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [48]

Edited by: Onyx Blackman on 26/06/2011 18:39:05
It would be nice if they would simply answer the question that has been repeatedly asked. "Gold ammo" hardly equates to "non-vanity".

Narcissus Tombs
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [49]

Edited by: Narcissus Tombs on 26/06/2011 19:22:01
Edited by: Narcissus Tombs on 26/06/2011 18:40:27
So far you're pulling it right out of the PR handbook.

I'll just leave this here Linkage

Edit: And this lovely link tallying 4482 unsubbed accounts so far.

What you seem to be missing, Zulu, is that even thought the future of MT is the biggest rage issue here, it's just a symptom of the dissatisfaction and dissapointmend we've felt with you, CCP as a whole, for a while now. I am not trying to attack anyone at CCP, just convey my dissatisfaction and sadness, and what my view of CCP has degraded to.

This is not speculation, but quite well known now, that you are using Eve as a cash cow and forced alpha test for your new projects, both of which are progressing at a rate beyond slow and sucking money and resources out of your flagship product.

What is worse, you simply don't care about the game anymore. Investors and aesthetics come before gameplay. This is something you've been saying internally, and now that it's out there you send PR meatshields to delay things until they cool down.
"If it looks good, it is good." Sound familiar? Because apparently it's said quite a bit around the CCP offices.

The fact is, you simply don't have a vision for Eve.

You have been flying by the seat of your pants for who knows how long, adding features on a whim and wasting colossal amounts of time and money on things players often don't want.

You are forcing unwanted content on us simply to gain free alpha testing for your next game.

You can't take negative criticism.

You ignore the playerbase that made you great.

You have a rockstar mentality that is completely unwarranted.

You are trying to push a niche game into the a mainstream market.

You lack professionalism.

You have no internal editing, or any that we can see, because of your childish dislike of negative criticism.

You release untested, half-baked expansions.

You ignore the mountains of information and suggestions and criticism your players give you to improve it.

You have ruined your image with new players. As seen here.

You push what you want, not what we want.

This is a service, if people dislike it, they'll stop paying for it.

You have been buying your own PR more than your players.

You have ignored the high-maintenance requirements for a game like Eve, instead adding more content itself in need of editing.

You set unrealistic goals, internally and externally, that you know you can't meet, but hype anyway.

You have yet to give a straight answer about non-vanity items. We don't want cute remarks or metaphors or comparisons or synecdoches, we want a YES OR NO ANSWER.

You assume stupidity on the part of your players, and it's just insulting. The average age of eve players is 29, if I recall correctly. Many are older, and none of them are going to fall for delay tactics and PR spin.

And most importantly, lost the love you once had for your universe.

Most of this post comes from a review by one of your own employees, linked here.

I love CCP and I love Eve, but now that you have other projects in the works, it seems like you have simply dropped the idea of improving Eve entirely, and for this reason, I have unsubbed, along with more than 4000 other accounts. I honestly hope you can set a worthwhile vision for Eve, and follow it, because without that, the game is going to start decaying. I am not being fanatical or defeatist, this is simply what is going to happen, and has happened to many other MMOs.

Best of Luck, and I hope Eve gets the attention and care it deserves.

Honsou Blackblade
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [50]

Originally by: Darik Jita
what you do, not what you say

Mr Morita
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [51]

Edited by: Mr Morita on 26/06/2011 18:40:15
SECOND PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CCP, I want my epic mount that's paid for by aurum.

Lai Munnar
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [52]

WTF, where are the answers?? this is BS again, GIVE ANSWERS DAMMIT

Empyrean Warriors
The Obsidian Front
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [53]

I just hope its not too late ugh

Kersh Marelor
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [54]

Sure did take long...

Assuming this: However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. is a NO for non-vanity items in the NEX shop? Please rephrase into single word, no metaphors, wouldn't like to see you selling T3 battleships and T2 dreads for AUR and claim they are not ammo afterall ;)

Tam Althor
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [55]

I still do not trust CCP to get their **** in order. I will check back every now and then to see if their actions live up to their words. Only then will I think of resubbing my accounts. I am not one of the cash cows that your CEO seems to think of the players as.

Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [56]

No gold ammo hey?

You said no MT in eve not that long ago.

CCP are about as trustworthy as a snakeoil salesman

Lie Cheat and Steal, the new corporate standards of CCP

Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [57]

"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum."

That's a good first part of the answer everyone has been clamouring for.

But yes, we'll see — actions before words, as others have said, and that distorted trust will take some work to straighten out…

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [58]

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 26/06/2011 18:41:28
So, we should wait a week yes? That will be DIFFICULT.

Because, for EVERYONE that read the newsletter very carefully, there are sentences in there that sound like "this will be our new policy".

So, this will be difficult, and is not over yet, as...discussing a strategy with the CSM thats, as you state, "not on the table"....well. We will see.


why are you discussing something INTERNALLY for all employees to read if IT IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN ON THE TABLE.
I can't understand that, from a corporate perspective. Thats as if you would discuss "how do we produce ferraris"...if YOU DONT.

Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:39:00 - [59]

I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.

The same is true for you CCP Zulu/Hilmar. You've broken the trust of this community and hurt many of us deeply. Say what you will, you won't be getting that trust back until your actions reflect your words.

At least, thank you for answering the million dollar question finally. Its incredibly stupid that it took you this long to simply state something like that, but at least you've now said it. However, expect us to hold you to those words.

Money for pants
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:40:00 - [60]

There won't be gold ammo, but not a word about silver bullets or other non-vanity items...

Also, waiting another week before addressing the issue, seriously?!? Neutral

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