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Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:33:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Zanetia

^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then Razz


Indeed that one, I made a claim earlier that the ragers intended to shut down nodes (namely Jita), which was refuted by a protester. Got conflicting messages on that one so I'm sticking with "most people are simply protesting, a few people are being ******s".

I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:37:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Zanetia

^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then Razz


I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out.


At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation...

but here? what do we achieve, a light show?

Nathanael Lemmont
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:41:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro


Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.




Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist.

Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me.

Zanetia
Gallente
The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:43:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Zanetia

^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then Razz


Indeed that one, I made a claim earlier that the ragers intended to shut down nodes (namely Jita), which was refuted by a protester. Got conflicting messages on that one so I'm sticking with "most people are simply protesting, a few people are being ******s".

I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out.


Yeah, as bad as things are now for CCP, banning the protesters would be an absolute PR disaster. Not that they haven't shown an affinity for such things lately, but still.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro


Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.




Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist.

Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me.


Agreed on the "proportionate response". I do not intend to look like a fascist nor am I.
However, what can we call a "proportionate response"?

> a warning mail from GMs?
> a few hours ban?
> other ideas?

I am just trying to discuss the issue, I know it is a sensible one, I am not trying to act as a dictator or such. :-)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 - [96]
 

…btw, there's very little lag in Jita.

Zanetia
Gallente
The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation...

but here? what do we achieve, a light show?


We highlight our concern over the the apparent direction CCP is heading with Eve. And also it seems, we make CCP Zulu write another devblog. I just hope this one is less inflammatory than his last one.

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:46:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro

At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation...

but here? what do we achieve, a light show?


We both might not agree with the whole protesting thing but it's valid as long as they're just going to send a message within the confines of the rules. The main issue is, to differentiate between those who simply wish to send a message and those who wish to bother other players.

Shooting at the monument may make a system more laggy, but it's mainly the "disproportional" part that I find important here, it's a big cause and as long as they don't act ******ed, I'm satisfied. However, if it goes somewhere akin to "we hatez ccp lulz we r gonna kill the node", then it's free game regarding bans.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:50:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Elienore

Shooting at the monument may make a system more laggy, but it's mainly the "disproportional" part that I find important here, it's a big cause and as long as they don't act ******ed, I'm satisfied. However, if it goes somewhere akin to "we hatez ccp lulz we r gonna kill the node", then it's free game regarding bans.


Well, on this we both agree :-)

I will login later tonight and will drop into Jita, what i hope is to find the system playable.

Nathanael Lemmont
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:53:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro


Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.




Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist.

Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me.


Agreed on the "proportionate response". I do not intend to look like a fascist nor am I.
However, what can we call a "proportionate response"?

> a warning mail from GMs?
> a few hours ban?
> other ideas?

I am just trying to discuss the issue, I know it is a sensible one, I am not trying to act as a dictator or such. :-)


Hey, discussion is good! My recommendation would be to simply head over to Amarr for the afternoon. I think perspective is important here; none of us are being THAT inconvenienced, and the situation in which we find ourselves is temporary.

This situation has the additional difficulty of being potentially really bad for CCP. So while riots may not be good for their PR, banning has already shown itself to be gas to the flame.

My recommendation, then, is to wait it out, and hang back for a bit; find alternate venues, roll with the punches. I'm only being realistic. Your best bet, which has almost no chance of succeeding, is to convince the protesters that the present economy is worth more than their present spectacle.

You could certainly try talking to GMs, though, if you feel strongly about it. I can't promise much sympathy, but that would certainly be more proportionate than banning outright.

Of course, what WOULD diffuse almost all of this is solid reassurance from CCP. That, however, is something we just have to wait for.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:59:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
*snip*
I will login later tonight and will drop into Jita, what i hope is to find the system playable.

Noob.
Stay out of Jita, you're not entitled to a playable system.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:01:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont


Your best bet, which has almost no chance of succeeding, is to convince the protesters that the present economy is worth more than their present spectacle.

You could certainly try talking to GMs, though, if you feel strongly about it. I can't promise much sympathy, but that would certainly be more proportionate than banning outright.


Good points.

I do not think that I could convince protesters. Maybe Chribba or other prominent characters could... in fact it would be nice to try.

On the other hand, how do I talk to GMs? At most i can petition and add further burden to them.

I dont think it would be wise for them to show up in local Jita, as this would fuel the protestors in system.

I believe however it should be their duty to take initiative, hopefully in a polite way.

KwaLevu
Caldari
Lost in Missions
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:07:00 - [103]
 

i have alot of stuff selling in koona OP go there and buy it i am sure its not laggy but be careful its lowsec

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:08:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: KwaLevu
i have alot of stuff selling in koona OP go there and buy it i am sure its not laggy but be careful its lowsec


Cool, i have cloak transports and instaundocks, i'll be fine.

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:09:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




Are you related to the Assad family?

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:10:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Joe Skellington

Are you related to the Assad family?


Something tells me you skipped the whole thread.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:12:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Joe Skellington

Are you related to the Assad family?


If you care to read the thread you will notice that i am attempting to discuss a sensitive issue and I am trying to do so trying to avoid acting bully or such.

There have been some interesting points brought up by several capsuleers.

If you want to contribute you are very welcome.


Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:14:00 - [108]
 

Those who protest, ingame and in forums about people protesting ingame and in forums should receive the banstick.

Just sayin'.



Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:15:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke
Those who protest, ingame and in forums about people protesting ingame and in forums should receive the banstick.

Just sayin'.


Razz


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