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Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Heroldyn Yhamad
If we are a minority why not have ccp set up a vote on the login screen:

[ ] ban curordiwhatever
[ ] keep on expanding on microtransactions


That's a leading poll, you're not supposed to have a leading poll.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [62]
 

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

I think there wouldn't be a lot of posters left if CCP really enforced this ..

Frederick Yassavi
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Frederick Yassavi
OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake?

Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules?

I don't get it.


> I do not want others thrown out for my sake.
> I am not interested into pedantic following of rules.

My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged.

My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels.

I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation.




So you have no vested interest in this at all? If you're not being inconvenienced, and you don't care whether or not people are conforming to the letter of the law, then why bring any of this up?

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:08:00 - [64]
 

>>> "With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again?"

How many distinct players does the thread contains? Not characters, not accounts but rather actual human beings.

Provided that we have that number, which percentage it makes if you part that number for the actual playerbase?

That would be an accurate metric, not Characters, nor accounts, not even page views.

>>> "Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server."

I never say that. Dont put words in my mouth that do not belong to me :-)

I said that those protesting right now and by doing so clogging nodes are doing a wrong thing and abusing of an ingame mechanic.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:09:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Heroldyn Yhamad
If we are a minority why not have ccp set up a vote on the login screen:

[ ] ban curordiwhatever
[ ] keep on expanding on microtransactions



A vote won't achieve anything if SP, faction standing, items that give advantages or items like ammo and ships are sold via MT.

Sure people can vote but if those vote goes towards those items, CCP loses anyway as people still will not stay.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:10:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
> I do not want others thrown out for my sake.
> I am not interested into pedantic following of rules.

My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged.

My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels.

I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation.

Don't go to Jita numbnuts.
Don't post on GD numbnuts.
Don't get abused numb.. wait..

Keep whining.
Anti-protester whining is actually pretty funny.

Fire Watch
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:10:00 - [67]
 

Dev blog on Sunday is all the proof that you need.

Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:10:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Divus
think the worst (therefor best) thing ccp can do to offenders/protesters etc. at this point is giving them Monocles.


/thread

Kiwi Miner
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:13:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
>>> "With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again?"

How many distinct players does the thread contains? Not characters, not accounts but rather actual human beings.

Provided that we have that number, which percentage it makes if you part that number for the actual playerbase?

That would be an accurate metric, not Characters, nor accounts, not even page views.

>>> "Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server."

I never say that. Dont put words in my mouth that do not belong to me :-)

I said that those protesting right now and by doing so clogging nodes are doing a wrong thing and abusing of an ingame mechanic.


So I assume you would be the soldier that would kill because you were ordered to do it no matter what, right or wrong does not come into it or doing a wrong for a right reason is beyond your comprehension

Majmuna
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:16:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Conrad Lionhart
I have read the newsletter, and can believe that it is still an on-going discussion. There is even a "YES" vs "NO" debate on the 2nd page. If adding in-game items through the AUR store is a confirmed deal, why even bother with the yes vs no pretense? They should just go more in-depth on how to scam the customers.

Even if by some chance this is true, I am indeed worried about the effects on the economy, because currently I play by PLEX. I would be unhappy, and I would voice my disapproval COHERENTLY on the forums, telling CCP not to go ahead with it.

On the other hand, these other people voice their disapproval not through proper dialogue, but through sabotaging Jita. Why would CCP want such angry, unpredictable, volatile and dangerous players? Heaven forbid they hear the next thing they don't like, and they will try the same stunts again.

You're not fighting for my rights or for this game. You're just throwing childish tantrums and trying to make yourselves look like heroes by claiming to fight for everyone.

So they should rightfully ban all these people. They are dangerous for the game and dangerous for the rest of the players.


Ooooh, I am so dangewous!Shocked

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:30:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Fire Watch
Dev blog on Sunday is all the proof that you need.


I do not doubt the situation is so peculiar that requires a Devblog on Sunday.

I do state, however, that those clogging nodes are abusing ingame mechanics.

Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.


Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:05:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




+1 to op. I'm tired of this ****.

Zanetia
Gallente
The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:09:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.


Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:13:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Zanetia
Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.


Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue.


The protest has not attracted attention becouse it is disruptive.

It has attracted attention becouse players who also report for gaming blogs and e-zines pointed to forum's articles and leaked mails from CCP.

Being disruptive as it is, the protest risks alienating part of the playerbase that while agree on some points protestors bring forward, still wants to keep playing the game.



Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:14:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Nimbat
Hello Mr. Self Important,

The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself.

Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner.


The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself.

Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention *****.

Mr Epeen Cool

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:15:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.



Banning 5000 people who have just cancelled their accounts isn't good for business.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Nimbat
Hello Mr. Self Important,

The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself.

Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner.


The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself.

Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention *****.

Mr Epeen Cool



:-) nice one! but...

I am not an attention *****, I post *very rarely* and a small google search will show you that.

I am concerned about Incarna like many here, but I do not like being unable to access Jita to buy my stuff becouse of protests.


leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Nimbat
Hello Mr. Self Important,

The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself.

Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner.


The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself.

Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention *****.

Mr Epeen Cool


what are you doing on the forums ? hope its not being a whiny forum attention whoring ? get back and play with yourself, on eve that is

Sellendis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [79]
 

In the near future of Nuremberg trials, CCP employees defence will be:

We were just following da orderz.

Suicide Failed
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:19:00 - [80]
 

So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned!

You are just as bad as a Dictator!

If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction.

Bangvang
Minmatar
Life. Universe. Everything.
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:21:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Zanetia
Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.


Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue.


The protest has not attracted attention becouse it is disruptive.

It has attracted attention becouse players who also report for gaming blogs and e-zines pointed to forum's articles and leaked mails from CCP.

Being disruptive as it is, the protest risks alienating part of the playerbase that while agree on some points protestors bring forward, still wants to keep playing the game.





apart from how nobody is stopped from playing the game due to the protests. they affect few systems, systems which don't need to be visited, and you can still access anyway.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:22:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Suicide Failed
So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned!

You are just as bad as a Dictator!

If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction.


Nope, Don't put words in my mouth that do not belong to me!

I am saying that protestors *who abuse* ingame mechanics should get some sort of reprimand.

That could be on the line of a warning or a few days ban for worse cases.

Forums needs to be open to contribution but should receive a lot more of attention and moderation.

I do not see dictatorship in my proposal.

Sellendis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:26:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Suicide Failed
So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned!

You are just as bad as a Dictator!

If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction.


Nope, Don't put words in my mouth that do not belong to me!

I am saying that protestors *who abuse* ingame mechanics should get some sort of reprimand.

That could be on the line of a warning or a few days ban for worse cases.

Forums needs to be open to contribution but should receive a lot more of attention and moderation.

I do not see dictatorship in my proposal.


Yes, and how about banning people that shoot you in low/null sec. What *******s.
We just make a light-show in front of 4-4. :)

Suicide Failed
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:26:00 - [84]
 

How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!)

Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware.

Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies!

Get your facts straight OP.

you are a troll.

Nathanael Lemmont
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro


I am concerned about Incarna like many here, but I do not like being unable to access Jita to buy my stuff becouse of protests.




Oh. So you DO want people banned because you're being inconvenienced.

I'm not one to tell people what to do, but I will give friendly advice: feelings of entitlement are not going to go over well with the EVE community.

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Suicide Failed
How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!)

Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware.

Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies!

Get your facts straight OP.

you are a troll.


Read the first post again, specifically the part with the rule. Also, a few days ago there was a similar thread to this, was pretty good (and here my lack of organization shine... no link... x.x).

Solosky
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:29:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Solosky on 26/06/2011 16:30:30
> c) "Trolling is prohibited."

TS is clearly trolling. Irony?

Zanetia
Gallente
The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:30:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Suicide Failed
How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!)

Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware.

Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies!

Get your facts straight OP.

you are a troll.


Read the first post again, specifically the part with the rule. Also, a few days ago there was a similar thread to this, was pretty good (and here my lack of organization shine... no link... x.x).


Quote:
> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."


^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then Razz

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:32:00 - [89]
 

If they are just flying in Jita shooting things, how does that make them any different from the hundreds of other people doing the same? Lots of ganks and a few fights go on at 4-4 undock all the time, without the participants receiving warnings.

If they are ejecting lots of cans/shuttles/probes, then yes, they should be warned in just the same way as they would normally. Otherwise, is the load per character either disproportionate or unreasonable?

If a character flying in space shooting things causes disproportionate load to the System, then CCP really need to rethink their architecture and game design, as it is (was?) a shoot spaceships game.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:33:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Suicide Failed
How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!)

Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware.

Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies!

Get your facts straight OP.

you are a troll.


The fact that Jita has a cap is notorious, blaming hardware is not an excuse for exploiting a known game limitation.

The fact that amassing lots of ships on the same grid makes the game lag is notorioius, this so called light show is put up to willingly lag other users exploiting a known game limitation.

The fact that forum spamming makes a forum less worth reading is self evident.

Calling troll someone who rarely posts on forums and has an otherwise irreprensible conduct ingame demonstrate how far we have gone with this bitterness and that is why forums should receive more caring and moderation.

Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.



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