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Vestpa
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:35:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Vestpa on 26/06/2011 01:21:18
First, is there a website that lists best set ups for the best ships for each level of agent and faction it is for? Second, if you don't want to read my long post, then I would be thankful for a macherial set and tengu set up. Here's some information about me.

I am offering 25m for a person that answers these questions and any other questions I may have for your time. They must be accurate and everything answered in full.

- I am a long term vet, just returning after a long break, so I have to relearn the game.
- First, this is for a Level 4 Agent for Caldari State
- I have 1 character with Level 5 in all skills for the Macherial, and a Tengu.
- I have 2 brand new characters that aren't pvp skilled and still at 100k skillpoints, but their purpose is for science, so I want to train the least amount in pvp for them. I thought of using Caldari and Minmatar or both Caldari, but it depends on what ship I will use. Either way, they will be in Tech 1 only Logistics (Osprey or Scythe).
- I will be doing missions in High-Sec Space

So with that said, I don't know which to fly, a macherial or a Tengu. Nor do I know a set up for either one. I only have 2.6b isk, but my budget will probably be 2b isk (The less the better for now).

I will use my 2 alts in either 2x Osprey, or 1x Scythe possibly lvl 3 or 4 skills.

- If I were to use a Macherial, with 2 T1 logistic ships by my side, would I still need an Afterburner? If I didn't require an afterburner on my Macherial, I could have the two Ospreys by my side since they can keep up with a MACH transferring me shields + having tracking links giving me better tracking/falloff/optimal since Ill be able to stay within the 6.5 km range of the tracking links. Or Vice Versa with the Scythes, they can still transfer shields, but not as efficient, but give me better tracking than an Osprey

- Do tracking links have diminished returns? If there is diminishing returns, would it be total number of tracking links, or just per ship?

However, if two ospreys + Mach is not enough to tank level 4 missions, and I do have to use an afterburner, that means I would have to use a Scythe and an Osprey, losing half the shield bonus + tracking since I would need to use the 36 km optimal range bonus from each ship to reach my fast macherial.

Any help is appreciated.

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:52:00 - [2]
 

If you need logistics in lvl4's, you're doing it wrong.

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:54:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Llambda on 26/06/2011 00:57:01
Quote:
- I have 1 character with Level 5 in all skills for the Macherial, and a Tengu.


If you have 5s in all skills for either of these ships, you will not need a logi alt, let alone TWO logi alts, for level 4 missions.

Quote:
- If I were to use a Macherial, with 2 T1 logistic ships by my side, would I still need an Afterburner?


No you would not, but, see above. The mach should own level 4s quite handily all on its own if you have the skills to fly it.

Quote:
- Do tracking links have diminished returns? If there is diminishing returns, would it be total number of tracking links, or just per ship?


Yes, and total number.

Either one of those ships will be able to do level 4s with ease.

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So with that said, I don't know which to fly, a macherial or a Tengu. Nor do I know a set up for either one. I only have 2.6b isk, but my budget will probably be 2b isk (The less the better for now).


Either one of those ships will work quite well. However, a 2b budget for someone who has 2.6 billion is probably in violation of the "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule.

My personal choice would be the Tengu, but I am very lazy - with a modest tech2/deadspace combination fit (you could probably squeeze it in under 2 bil), it can pretty much AFK-tank most L4s and will have pretty excellent range, too.

Leave the logis at home unless you are REALLY uncomfortable flying without them for some reason.

Tank CEO
Caldari
Dark Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:18:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Tank CEO on 26/06/2011 01:18:00
Just use a macherial dude. Those are badass ships.

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:19:00 - [5]
 

Lot of Mumble Jumle stuff is you ask me . Hey , if you got a character that is level 5 Machariel , please by all means ,but can he handle a tech II cruiser? pvp and level 4 missions are the extreams of AI and human intelligence. <-if that made sinse : )

spend what you can , just remember , you are gonna blow up alot. try takeing a pvp ship on a level 4 mission . and vise versa.
i play the pve of this game and when it comes to missions. the machariel is a pretty good ship . personally i omni tank it . but if i took it in low sec , i would be pinned to a slow death . damn frig could tackle and a mean ass cruiser with the Nos and Drones , but pvp my shield tank would consist more of ewar while them 3.4 sec rate- enraged tracking cannons do the work.


expensive Coffin = Machariel

Vestpa
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:20:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Vestpa on 26/06/2011 01:24:51
Edited by: Vestpa on 26/06/2011 01:23:12
Well, the reason why I am saying logistics, now remember, its just tech 1, not tech 2... Im not talking about the basilisk... Im talking of Cruiser level 2 only requirement Osprey or Scythe. The reason for this is because I just want to use Tech 2 items in my Macherial before I begin (I haven't actually begun playing yet, Im doing research first and get the hang of the game again). There no harm for me to have my 2 alts beside me, so I can just use them to make me go through the levels faster. Also, I can use the alts to prevent me from being target jammed like the caldari missions will probably do since Ill be fighting guristas... Now, do tracking links stack with the tracking computers, and tracking enhancers if a MACH has it fitted?

It is possible that I might want to do Level 5 Missions as well, so with these 2 alts beside me, will I be able to complete the missions? I understand that both will work just fine, but which has the most DPS, the Macherial, or the Tengu?

Krip - I won't be going into low-sec status with a expensive ship.
Symphorous - I haven't tried yet. Actually, my alts aren't even created yet because I am trying to figure out which ships to use. Either Osprey x2, or Scythe and a Osprey.

Thank you for the current information you have provided.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:24:00 - [7]
 

A properly fit Tengu can easily tank most Caldari L4's. If you're considering taking a logi you are, as someone already said, doing it wrong. I solo L4's in my (non-officer or faction fit) Tengu just fine.

Tank CEO
Caldari
Dark Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:27:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Tank CEO on 26/06/2011 01:33:10
Tengu is awesome.

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:30:00 - [9]
 

oh , sorry : ) . i would suggest the Machariel for level 4 missions , unless you got the skills for a vargur to. Vargur the best...well, im hopeing(still trainning) . the key to the machariel is the gist A x-large booster. with the propper fit 3/3 gyro/track two invul fields , one amp , and one CAP RECHARGER.

for sure you will be useing T2 800's . its the fastest ship to do level 4's effectivly thats for sure. you burn faster than they can dps your tank

Vestpa
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:30:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Vestpa on 26/06/2011 01:38:04
Edited by: Vestpa on 26/06/2011 01:36:44
Edited by: Vestpa on 26/06/2011 01:32:37
Originally by: Borun Tal
A properly fit Tengu can easily tank most Caldari L4's. If you're considering taking a logi you are, as someone already said, doing it wrong. I solo L4's in my (non-officer or faction fit) Tengu just fine.


I know a Tengu can tank a Lvl 4 mission just fine, and I know a Tengu is an awesome ship.... The question I asked was for the Macherial set up. I really don't understand why you guys are freaking out over me bringing in 2x Ospreys or a Scythe to help with tracking, shield transfer, and since it will be for caldari, to boost my sensors so I am not target jammed, thus increasing my speed in completing the mission.

Originally by: Kripnlock
oh , sorry : ) . i would suggest the Machariel for level 4 missions , unless you got the skills for a vargur to. Vargur the best...well, im hopeing(still trainning) . the key to the machariel is the gist A x-large booster. with the propper fit 3/3 gyro/track two invul fields , one amp , and one CAP RECHARGER.

for sure you will be useing T2 800's . its the fastest ship to do level 4's effectivly thats for sure. you burn faster than they can dps your tank


With 2 Ospreys transfering me shields, I wouldn't need a GIST x-Large shield booster right.. Tech 2 would do yes?

Yes, I can use the Vargur.

So speed is what the Macherial is essentially what everyone is so pleased about and says its great ship to solo level 4 missions in?

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:35:00 - [11]
 

i agree . i know what you saying. i have friends who play two accounts.

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:40:00 - [12]
 

im not argueing over what ship is better than what . i chose the minmatar race over gallente early in my gameplay here in eve. try flying a Maelstrom on level 4 missions . dps sux. i know i fly a very very expensive ship to do some fours , its my lil money maker and my fun with eveonline : ) so far as the low sec , pvp , ober player syndrom , i can say this . i lost every ship i own in this game untill the machariel was in my price range. i specialize in the certificates to fit certian items tha make that ship work. i done died too many times cause i ran out of cap LOL

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:42:00 - [13]
 

any of you who can fly one . knows its a damn good ship ,but we would be heart broken if we lost it.

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:48:00 - [14]
 

i hope you watching the fleet fights on U tube at least. the machariel is one bad ass ship cause the dps superior to any other form of dps eve has to offer.
probably one of the only ships enjoyable pvp and pve equal .just dont take a pvp machariel into a level 4 mission and vise versa

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 02:17:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Llambda on 26/06/2011 02:17:34
Quote:
With 2 Ospreys transfering me shields, I wouldn't need a GIST x-Large shield booster right.. Tech 2 would do yes?


I can't think of any reason why the tech 2 booster would be inadequate all on its own. Sure, the deadspace ones are always great to have, but you don't have to pimp your ride to roflstomp level 4s in a competently fit and flown battleship.

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:15:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kripnlock on 26/06/2011 03:17:04
its like this . i entered in this game trying to find some way to make isk to buy ships i learn to fly through these skills im trying patiently to learn.To me the best logic is how fast can i do a mission in the time i have allowed to play. Trust me . i have spent millions on top of millions on moduals i could use to improve my personal fight with these npc's.the moduals i spoke of are not cheap at all . why spend that much isk on a modual? The price tag is exeptional when it comes to speed and performance of a mission i done did a thousand times. People have different styles of play . either your a armor tank or shield tank. i so wanted to be a armor tank , but i love to dps instead. im minmatar/gallente skilled pilot and i specialize in shield tanking. Plz dont knock that modual. in the machariel i gain more cap recharge than i use to cycle that bad boy. its just that simple even though i only have 4 mins on my capacitor life span.

Kripnlock
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:26:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Kripnlock on 26/06/2011 03:26:43
if you gonna spend 1 billion on a hull . you dont have insurance on it that will pay what you paid for . the only other option is to maximize the output from tankage to firepower. the key to that modual is activation cost. does not cost much to activate it and is cycles something like 860 every 4 secs. more than i can ask for cause my omni tank is something like 72 76 79 82 . something like that . dont have fittings memorized.leaveing me room to maximize my low slots without being forced to put recoils and the like moduals in precious dps slots

Tank CEO
Caldari
Dark Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Tank CEO on 26/06/2011 04:11:40
lol

Vestpa
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:13:00 - [19]
 

I was hoping if some one can post their Macherial set up if they would please, or their Tengu. I would greatly appreciate. I was looking for a set up purely for PVE, not for PVP, ever... nor would I be in low sec with such a ship.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Vestpa
I was hoping if some one can post their Macherial set up if they would please, or their Tengu.


Easy enough.

[Machariel, boomstick no injector]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Domination X-Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
[empty high slot]

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I
[empty rig slot]

Tried, tested, works like a charm. It's definitely no afk boat but it can slice chunks out of any L4 I've used it in.

I believe the current standard mission Tengu looks like this:

[Tengu, Level 4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Explosion Dampening Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Which is just barely cap stable. I'm still too stubbornly in love with my precious Nighthawk to try it but on paper it's pretty much a best in class mission runner.

Unholy PriceChecker
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:54:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Unholy PriceChecker on 26/06/2011 05:59:05
I have never flown one but that won't stop me from trying to create a solid fit in EFT...

[Machariel, EFT Warrior PVE]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II

Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Valkyrie II x5


Implants:

Slot 5: Low-grade Crystal Epsilon (5% bonus to shield boost amount )
Slot 6: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' CR8 (5% reduction to cap recharge time)
Slot 7: Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' AX-2 (5% bonus to turret tracking speed)
Slot 8: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' CC8 (5% bonus to capacitor capacity)
Slot 9: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Lancer' G2-Delta (5% bonus to turret rate of fire)
Slot10: Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' LX-2 (5% bonus to large projectile turret damage)


EFT Stats: (using T1 ammo)

923dps without drones
2850 volley damage
3sec rate of fire
983 omni-defense
39% cap stable

*Mandatory disclaimer - probably not the most isk efficient or 'best' fit but it should get the job done easily*

EDIT: For more dps (and more isk) you could always throw on those RF gyros in place of T2, same with the TE for better tracking)


 

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