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Oesophagus
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:54:00 - [1]
 

The laptop gets very hot, I am concerned that it may damage my laptop. I have never experienced this before. After about 4 min i can really feel the heat through the keyboard and the exhaust from the air outlet is really hot. I need the laptop for my work and can not afford to lose it atm.

Any suggestions?

WaynoGump
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:13:00 - [2]
 

Download a program called smcFanControl. It puts a manual fan controller tool on the top right near the batt. charge icon. It allows you to select full fan speed before your computer needs it. I find it helps to turn the fans on full before I even start running Eve as the default fan control software sometimes lets the laptop get up to 75 or 80C before putting them to full.

Also, turn your graphics down as that will cause a lot of heat. I run a MacBookPro from 2007, two eve clients and a VMWareFusion with Windows XP (for EFT and EveMon) in three spaces and with both fans at 6000rpm and graphics at the minimum I usually hover at 60 degrees C.

Corin en Daire
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:21:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Corin en Daire on 26/06/2011 07:32:38
For a graphically intensive application, as EVE is, it is normal for heating to occur. Operating temperatures above 100 Fahrenheit are normal for computers; however, if it becomes too hot to even touch, then you've got a problem.

By "operating temperature," I really mean just putting your hand on the side of the computer. True operating temperatures can reach over 200 Fahrenheit.

For example, as I'm writing this post, my MacBook Pro (model 8,1) doesn't even have a fan running. When I do CAD drawings in a Windows virtual machine through Parallels Desktop, my MacBook gets a little warm. When I play EVE, my MacBook gets noisy with it's fans, and uncomfortable to keep in my lap. Increased heat in response to an increased "work load" is normal and expected.

This would be a good general question to throw at the Apple community.

lasterax
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: WaynoGump
Download a program called smcFanControl. It puts a manual fan controller tool on the top right near the batt. charge icon. It allows you to select full fan speed before your computer needs it. I find it helps to turn the fans on full before I even start running Eve as the default fan control software sometimes lets the laptop get up to 75 or 80C before putting them to full.

Also, turn your graphics down as that will cause a lot of heat. I run a MacBookPro from 2007, two eve clients and a VMWareFusion with Windows XP (for EFT and EveMon) in three spaces and with both fans at 6000rpm and graphics at the minimum I usually hover at 60 degrees C.


Agreed, smcFanControl is a must, I have some presets for when I'm playing EVE - one for normal fooling around and another when I know a fight is coming so I can have optimal cooling.

--Rax

Anna Grahm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Oesophagus
The laptop gets very hot, I am concerned that it may damage my laptop. I have never experienced this before. After about 4 min i can really feel the heat through the keyboard and the exhaust from the air outlet is really hot. I need the laptop for my work and can not afford to lose it atm.

Any suggestions?


Yes, it can damage it.

A coworker has a MacBook and used to play StarCraft II A LOT. His MacBook began to warp! I think it was from the heat of SC2.

Elroachio
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:30:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Elroachio on 27/06/2011 15:36:25
Apple don't refer to their MacBook range as 'Laptops' partly due to the amount of heat they generate. They refer to them as 'Portable Computers'. Your MacBook should happily cook your knees off under moderate to intensive work load. Therefore you should use it on a solid flat surface, if its on your knees use a tea tray or something, though there are some more asthetic approaches for a cost such as iLap.

Your MacBook 'should' switch its self off if it gets too hot, as you mentioned though I have seen keyboards begin melt on the Santa Rosa Models x-). I'd speak to apple regarding replacement if that happens.

Forgot to mention in your graphics options make sure your using interval 1, or vsync this will cap your framerate to 60fps and reduce the workload marginally on your gfx chip.

SPACE L0RD
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: SPACE L0RD on 27/06/2011 17:27:04
Macbooks do not generate any more or less heat than pretty much any comparable product from Dell/HP/Sony. I work in IT and I get to put hands on LOTS of laptops. Alienware notebooks that are designed for games do a bit better but at a cost of size, weight, etc. With PC's the quality and the designs are hit and miss, so some do better than others. That said, the heat from Eve Online mac client is going to be considerably higher than the same macbook boot camped in the Windows 7. This is because of the additional CPU load that occurs as part of the Cider component.

I've had this discussion dozens of times, and everyone has their opinion, but I would NOT run the mac edition of Eve on my Macbook(and yes I have two, a 15" and a 13" both macbook pros). They will handle the heat, but the simple fact remains that continuous high-heat, 90-100C, with fans on max, for hours on end, will reduce the lifespan of your notebook.

If you have current applecare or 2k sitting in in the bank ready to buy a new macbook when yours fries, then by all means knock yourself out. If not, don't risk it and use a desktop, or at the very least boot camp into windows 7 and use the native client.

Enchi Kuwen
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:02:00 - [8]
 

Yeah, my Macbook has been heating up a little more since incarna but I too use smcfancontroller to set my fans to full blast while playing eve.

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Anna Grahm
Originally by: Oesophagus
The laptop gets very hot, I am concerned that it may damage my laptop. I have never experienced this before. After about 4 min i can really feel the heat through the keyboard and the exhaust from the air outlet is really hot. I need the laptop for my work and can not afford to lose it atm.

Any suggestions?


Yes, it can damage it.

A coworker has a MacBook and used to play StarCraft II A LOT. His MacBook began to warp! I think it was from the heat of SC2.


This is a bug in drivers and special bug in starcraft, should have been adressed by nvidia, ati and blizzard long time ago.
Still for sure every pc hardware can be damaged by OVERheating, still any modern pc hardware has protections to prevent overheating. Hardware protects itself via underclocking and emergency shutdowns. In normal conditions overheating should be not a problem that damage your hardware, still excessive heat will reduce lifetime of your hardware and as well performance, so it is in your best interest to give it the chance to run as cool as possible.

Gunsmith Sam
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:15:00 - [10]
 

The heat can damage your Macbook batteries and shorten their lifespan. Since I started running EVE on Macbook Pros 4 yrs ago, I've had to swap batteries about 4 times.

The good thing was I had a few free batteries because of Apple's battery swap programme but otherwise it would have been a very expensive prospect.

I no longer play on my MBP but use an iMac instead.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:35:00 - [11]
 

I had burn marks on my lap from the first night playing CQ on my MBA in bed. The worst bit is that laptop burns are under the skin since they're due to radiant heat, not conducted or contact heat. You don't feel any pain until about an hour after the damage has been done.

smcFanControl is the way to go. Or get one of those laptop stands with the fans built in - a large, quiet fan blowing air against the aluminium body will help cool down the whole computer (if you have MBA or MBP). smcFanControl is your only option if you have a plastic body MacBook.

BIZZAROSTORMY
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:48:00 - [12]
 

If you plan on just skill changing use the macbook. If you plan on playing for an hour or more, boot into xp and run it from that. Remember the mac client is having to simulate XP and then run the eve client in that, more or less. Its a lot more computationally intensive.

Clementine A
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:13:00 - [13]
 

If you monitor the temperature, you'll see that the temperature stay quite stable, although high. But the cooling works pretty well.

I use smcFanControl, but I don't put the fans at max speed, rather 2500-2800 rmp, so the temperature ramps more slowly and it often help avoiding 'peaks' which trigger the fans at 5000/6000 rmp.

Also, the client uses much less CPU when windowed, which help keeping the system cooler. The caveat is we can't maximize the window on mac, and when it's set at the max resolution (1440x900 for me) the bottom part is hidden because of the menu bar & the window title bar.

Minimize the window in the dock when it's not needed, this reduces the GPU temperature.

Tip for those who play on windows with bootcamp : the minimum fan speed set with smcFanControl is kept upon reboot, as long as the computer is not shut down. So boot on OSX, set the minimum fan speed, reboot on windows & voila.

SmugBaldy
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:30:00 - [14]
 

Heat is bad. Get smcFanControl and start it up before playing, and if you're a MB owner, maybe consider additional notebook cooling options as well.

Back in the days when we could run > 1 client (as in before last week), I discovered heat was causing some of my client stability issues, so I grabbed smcFanControl. This kept my iMac at a nice cool 45-55 degrees even with both clients running. I now use it regularly and have very few stability issues. I love it when free software is this useful.

Cheers, Smug

Thasro
Posted - 2011.07.16 02:58:00 - [15]
 

If you have the app iStat Menus you will see the temperatures for multiple internal components of your macbook. Apple makes their MacBooks so that the heat dissipates through the casing. You have to have proper ventilation, i.e. don't sit your macbook on a blanket or anywhere where the screen hinge will be blocked. I have run Eve on my MacBook Pro for hours at a time. My internal components stayed very cool. My fans run at medium speed while running Eve. The casing does get warm but it's drawing heat from your components to help keep them cool. I have also had this MacBook Pro for the past 2 1/2 years and it has made multiple trips to the Middle East where temperatures are in excess of 100 degrees with no air conditioning. I have yet to have any problems with it.


 

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