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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:16:00 - [241]
 

Great post OP, sums it all up nicely.

Chandler Estidal
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:17:00 - [242]
 

+100

Sticky please.

Faisal
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:31:00 - [243]
 

+1 for constructive and usable thread.

Hastrin
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:35:00 - [244]
 

+1. lets hope ccp finally comes out of its cave and starts a conversation with the community. falling silent is probebly the worst they can do

Aesop Glock
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:40:00 - [245]
 

+1 good job OP for hitting the nail on the head!

Tytilla
Caldari
Distinguished Johnsons
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:05:00 - [246]
 

I just hope it works and the questions are answered politely, accurately and fully.

Svennig
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:07:00 - [247]
 

Signed.

Tachibana Kanade
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:08:00 - [248]
 

Mega bump

+1

Lt Vanzi
Lamb Federation Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:16:00 - [249]
 

Edited by: Lt Vanzi on 25/06/2011 21:16:18
+1

Zevas
Infinitely Prolonged
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:19:00 - [250]
 

/Signed

Back up we go!

Larik Olen
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:23:00 - [251]
 

Wholeheartedly support the OP. Zulu's blog and Hilmar's leaked email, combined with the vast and extensive list of broken promises, lack of iteration on key features, ludicrous NEX prices and some quite frankly **** expansions with little to no actual content are the straw that broke the camel's back.

CCP HAS TO CHANGE.

Zeemo Zhang
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:28:00 - [252]
 

More than anything, I'm disappointed with the blog and mail. It's one thing to put out a less than expected expansion. It's another to act like it's okay.

+1 to OP. Thanks for such a concise list of grievances.

AureuSZ
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:29:00 - [253]
 

I'd like to add on the communication side, that if CCP would have handled this better in the first place, players wouldn't have been so upset, they would just have had some cancelled accounts and thats it.

Now they even banned some players.

I'd like all bans performed in this debacle to be reactivated as a proof of good will.

Ragnar Wintermute
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:31:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Ms Freak
Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 18:03:45
Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute
Gaaaah, do I have to repost this everywhere? The thread kind of fails to address my issue which I'm really praying is shared by atleast some of the other players...


The entire game is centered around one massive economy that the thousands of players all interface and interact with in a thousand different clever and not so clever ways. This expansion was advertised as an opportunity for the players to have new chains of industry, professions, and all the other emergent experiences that come with it being a natural extension of the PLAYER based economy. Instead CCP grabbed it as an opportunity to line their own pockets at the expense of the quality of their product. They are essentially entering their own games economy!

They also mention providing new ships, ammo, etc to the game via real money. They don't realize the fact that the ships made by the players are mined from raw asteroids, processed, traded, speculated on, refined, manufactured into ships with the help player copied blueprints, and so on for every miniscule aspect of the game. What do all these players do when people just start buying better products directly from CCP using real money? Do they just sit around and do nothing or start having to spend more money on top of their subscription to enjoy the game and maybe be competitive?


If i may: I think that if you step back a little and think about the exact issues in more detail, which indeed are exactly what everyone else is concerned about (see, you aren't alone!), you'll find most of them in the OP Smile


Yeah, you are right however I just feel like it isn't articulated well enough and that we just make an assumption that CCP realizes this based on how fundamentally obvious it is.

I'm too tired to even look at the memo but don't they state they are selling an immersive experience? Obviously they are but aren't they also selling the gameplay and the rules that come with that gameplay? Maybe they just need to realize what it is they are really selling that is of more value.

M4sterm1nd
The Grimreapers.
Destiny Corrupted.
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:32:00 - [255]
 

Excellent summary, if CCP handles only 1 post on this whole debacle, it should be this one. Point by point, flat facts, straight answers, no wishy washy crap from Zulu.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:33:00 - [256]
 

+1

Zurtur
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:34:00 - [257]
 

Edited by: Zurtur on 25/06/2011 21:34:55
+1

I fully support this threat.

Itsah Trap
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:35:00 - [258]
 

+1
/supported
/signed

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:35:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: AureuSZ
I'd like to add on the communication side, that if CCP would have handled this better in the first place, players wouldn't have been so upset, they would just have had some cancelled accounts and thats it.

Now they even banned some players.

I'd like all bans performed in this debacle to be reactivated as a proof of good will.


You know, i ALMOST included this as an item. I know Helicity as i fly with him almost every day, he's a great and passionate guy (lub u helli!! Shocked) but i was unsure if this might de-tract.

I may very well put this back in if enough people raise it as a concern/issue.

Mikal Morataya
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:36:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 25/06/2011 21:36:57
+1 definite, sticky.

Ianus
Caldari
Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:37:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: Ianus on 25/06/2011 21:37:24
Great thread. Thanks for taking the time to write it, Ms Freak.
I agree with and am concerned every issue presented but mostly buggered with #1.

Also, making this thread a sticky would go a good way towards solving issue #7. DO IT.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:39:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute
*Snip*
Yeah, you are right however I just feel like it isn't articulated well enough and that we just make an assumption that CCP realizes this based on how fundamentally obvious it is.

I'm too tired to even look at the memo but don't they state they are selling an immersive experience? Obviously they are but aren't they also selling the gameplay and the rules that come with that gameplay? Maybe they just need to realize what it is they are really selling that is of more value.


I could not agree more - but how to tell them? There are how many posts and threads about this now? 2000+? i have no idea!

I was kinda hoping simple might work Crying or Very sad

Darkael
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:41:00 - [263]
 

/signed

M4sterm1nd
The Grimreapers.
Destiny Corrupted.
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:41:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Ms Freak
I was kinda hoping simple might work Crying or Very sad


So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

Antario T'nar
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:48:00 - [265]
 

posting to show support, issues pointed out perfectly

Nevira Ree
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:54:00 - [266]
 

bump it to the stickys!!!

Execer
Infinite Origins
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:57:00 - [267]
 

These are the issues laid out plain and simple. Is a plain and simple answer to them really too much to ask from your customers?

At the moment it is, but we live in hope... come on CCP!

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:02:00 - [268]
 

+1

also, for ****s and giggles, might include a link to http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

Much more in-depth analysis of CCP dropping the ball. Unfortunately, it seems that too many people have linked it and it's been inadvertently DDOS'd Embarassed

But when it's up an usable again, it's a very good read.




caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:03:00 - [269]
 

+1

PLAIN AND SIMPLE CCP

they wont sticky it because they dont care what any of us think, and it will all blow over in a week or so.

I have decided not to play for now, playing this game leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 7 years of my life betrayed.

Lynx Amurie
Caldari
CRUX CORPORATE ARMADA
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:04:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Alpine 69
This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.

+1


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