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Bischopt
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:35:00 - [181]
 

Nice post by OP but I still dont agree. I dont think ccp should make us pay for any items in eve as long as they're getting the monthly sub fee from us. Lowering the NeX prices isnt good enough.

Bilifur
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:41:00 - [182]
 

Bumped

Quacka
Minmatar
Dark Tree Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:42:00 - [183]
 

Very well structured post. Well done.

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:43:00 - [184]
 

+1

I don't mind about vanity items, or the CQ.
I actually think the CQ is pretty nice, and as of right now the vanity items which are sold have absolutely to effect on me what so ever.

Im giving this a +1 because the OP didn't ragepost about quitting, and start swearing at CCP for doing what they think is a good move for their game, without consulting the player base.

Hope this stops all the rage, and that CCP take note for future expansions and NEX ideas.

Ragnar Wintermute
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 - [185]
 

Gaaaah, do I have to repost this everywhere? The thread kind of fails to address my issue which I'm really praying is shared by atleast some of the other players...


The entire game is centered around one massive economy that the thousands of players all interface and interact with in a thousand different clever and not so clever ways. This expansion was advertised as an opportunity for the players to have new chains of industry, professions, and all the other emergent experiences that come with it being a natural extension of the PLAYER based economy. Instead CCP grabbed it as an opportunity to line their own pockets at the expense of the quality of their product. They are essentially entering their own games economy!

They also mention providing new ships, ammo, etc to the game via real money. They don't realize the fact that the ships made by the players are mined from raw asteroids, processed, traded, speculated on, refined, manufactured into ships with the help player copied blueprints, and so on for every miniscule aspect of the game. What do all these players do when people just start buying better products directly from CCP using real money? Do they just sit around and do nothing or start having to spend more money on top of their subscription to enjoy the game and maybe be competitive?

Matah Hari
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:45:12
Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Matah Hari
+1 Good post OP and I hope it gets the sticky.

I would reword the following though:

"•It states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe." The memo doesn't "state" this will be the plan of action (at least not explicitly), so they can easily answer this point by saying the memo is just a debate of ideas or possibilities. This should be stated more in the lines of "why is this even being considered even though you know how the players feel about it". Or something like that.


Thank you


The following excert was taken from Page 5 of "Greed is Good?" and starts in the middile of the last paragraph on the right hand side.

"Thus, we will not and cannot focus
on virtual sales only within the Incarna
environment, nor build that
environment around such sales;
rather, we will effect a universal
strategy of micro-sales throughout
the EVE experience. So, as a player,
while you are inside a station,
you will find gameplay that links
to other aspects of the game and
that also presents you with virtual
purchasing opportunities — just
as you will while you are in space
or on a planet fighting as a DUST
merc."


Thanks for the support and keeping it constructive Very Happy


In a completely constructive way:

Yes I know what the memo says, but we're trying to get a possitive response from CCP. And saying the memo "states" something would be a step backwards, since they already said the memo was only the opinions of the people who wrote it and does not represent CCP's "plan". I'm not saying 'I' believe that, I'm just saying what they, in their small little heads, regard this as the truth and might dissregard your post because of the wording.

Fuzojix
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:49:00 - [187]
 

Bumped, keep this **** at the top.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:54:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Matah Hari
Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:45:12
Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Matah Hari
+1 Good post OP and I hope it gets the sticky.

I would reword the following though:

"•It states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe." The memo doesn't "state" this will be the plan of action (at least not explicitly), so they can easily answer this point by saying the memo is just a debate of ideas or possibilities. This should be stated more in the lines of "why is this even being considered even though you know how the players feel about it". Or something like that.


Thank you


The following excert was taken from Page 5 of "Greed is Good?" and starts in the middile of the last paragraph on the right hand side.

*snip*

Thanks for the support and keeping it constructive Very Happy


In a completely constructive way:

Yes I know what the memo says, but we're trying to get a possitive response from CCP. And saying the memo "states" something would be a step backwards, since they already said the memo was only the opinions of the people who wrote it and does not represent CCP's "plan". I'm not saying 'I' believe that, I'm just saying what they, in their small little heads, regard this as the truth and might dissregard your post because of the wording.


Good point. Well Made. I'll change it Smile

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:54:00 - [189]
 

bumpage.

Matah Hari
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:01:00 - [190]
 

Awesome, now lets try and make this post the first thing CCP reads monday morning (if it's true they are not working right now).

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:03:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 18:03:45
Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute
Gaaaah, do I have to repost this everywhere? The thread kind of fails to address my issue which I'm really praying is shared by atleast some of the other players...


The entire game is centered around one massive economy that the thousands of players all interface and interact with in a thousand different clever and not so clever ways. This expansion was advertised as an opportunity for the players to have new chains of industry, professions, and all the other emergent experiences that come with it being a natural extension of the PLAYER based economy. Instead CCP grabbed it as an opportunity to line their own pockets at the expense of the quality of their product. They are essentially entering their own games economy!

They also mention providing new ships, ammo, etc to the game via real money. They don't realize the fact that the ships made by the players are mined from raw asteroids, processed, traded, speculated on, refined, manufactured into ships with the help player copied blueprints, and so on for every miniscule aspect of the game. What do all these players do when people just start buying better products directly from CCP using real money? Do they just sit around and do nothing or start having to spend more money on top of their subscription to enjoy the game and maybe be competitive?


If i may: I think that if you step back a little and think about the exact issues in more detail, which indeed are exactly what everyone else is concerned about (see, you aren't alone!), you'll find most of them in the OP Smile

Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:12:00 - [192]
 

+1
/signed

There's nothing I don't agree with. You've also laid everything out in a clear concise manner appropriate for a business environment, if CCP ignores this then all hope is lost.

Richard Koslinsky
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:19:00 - [193]
 

For great bumpage +1 as well, these are the main issues that are being sidestepped, tapdanced around.

Servant 101
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:36:00 - [194]
 

+1

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:42:00 - [195]
 

The issues listed are exactly those I have. Thank you.

+1 from me.

I too love this game, and do not want to see Greed destroy it.

Greed is good? No, not ever. Fair pricing for services offered, THAT is good. Offering quality services at competitive prices? That's even better.

meollyn
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:46:00 - [196]
 

+1 well done Ms Freak

Cosmic Jaloga
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:54:00 - [197]
 

Aside from a few grammar errors this thread summarizes the problem quite well. +1

Novak Sarin
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:57:00 - [198]
 

please sticky this

Sage Volta
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 - [199]
 

Please Stick

Great Informative Post

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 - [200]
 

add new issue

certain skills not being taken into effect when boarding ships in space
example when boarding an ishtar in space the drone bay does not increase in size when you have trained up heavy assault skill




Tytilla
Caldari
Distinguished Johnsons
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:00:00 - [201]
 

+1

LIOZTH
Caldari
Divide By Zero
Dark Phoenix Rising.
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:11:00 - [202]
 

/I Support this!

Caelestis Starcaller
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:13:00 - [203]
 

Issue 1 Ship spinning
Community awnser = Get a life

Issue 2 NeX Prices
Community awnser = who cares

Issue 3 MT & Features
Community awnser = Its soundwaves personal thought in an internal document not freaking company policy

Issue 4 CCP Zulu's Blog
Community awnser = 500 pages of flames and you expect an awnser? /facepalm

Issue 5 CQ
Community awnser = Clean the dmn dust out of your fans before you whine about heat. Overheating is a hardware issue not something you can create with software you idiots

Issue 6 Broken & Stealth
Community awnser = most have been fixed and so what that you cant be unprobable anymore. Now stealth actually gets more added value as a feature.

Issue 7 Communication
Community awnser = ya thats right go protest to someting that hasnt even been done and in the proces cripple the economy for your fellow players. Like this really hurts CCP..... It hurts us you idiots. What point is there in communicating with an angry mob of idiots.

Issue 8 Hilmar
Community awnser = Perfectly good motivational email for employees nothing bad about it in any way

Swren1
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:15:00 - [204]
 

+1

Excellent thread, addresses all issues

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:17:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
*Snip* .....Rolling Eyes...... *Snip*


I total appreciate that everyone has a different stand point and this post (and indeed me) do mnot represent everyone's opinion.

That said, People have been doing a great job keeping this thread constructive and although your opinion would be welcome, trolling (or whatever that was) isn't either helpful or welcome.

Please try and be contructive so that those that want answers could indeed try and get some.

Thanks.

Caelestis Starcaller
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:18:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
*Snip* .....Rolling Eyes...... *Snip*


I total appreciate that everyone has a different stand point and this post (and indeed me) do mnot represent everyone's opinion.

That said, People have been doing a great job keeping this thread constructive and although your opinion would be welcome, trolling (or whatever that was) isn't either helpful or welcome.

Please try and be contructive so that those that want answers could indeed try and get some.

Thanks.


being polite doesnt automatically mean your constructive in anyway

Zelphinine
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:19:00 - [207]
 

I would strongly suggest that anyone speaking to the gaming press, stop hammering on just the MT and ridiculous clothing prices in specific and instead talk about the meta-issue; that being that CCP is basically raking in EVE money to support the development of two other games while giving very little back to EVE, and has been for well over a year and has little evident plans to do so in the future.

tl; dr: People are mad that CCP is taking our money and not supporting EVE.

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:19:00 - [208]
 

Current System:

If you buy uber elite modules and ships in game, even if you use Isk from PLEX sale, at some point, a PLAYER had grind out that Isk you are spending, and PLAYER had to hunt down and kill that officer for that drop.

AUR system:

Stuff appears out of thin air in exchange for RL cash, no PLAYER EFFORT involved ANYWHERE.


Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:22:00 - [209]
 

Great list, supported!

Vyper Harkonnen
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:23:00 - [210]
 

YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT NON-VANITY ITEMS!

CCP has clearly demonstrated that if you don't physically shove something in their face then they will ignore it. OP needs to add more clearly defined concerns about pay to win items.


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