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Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:47:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ms Freak on 28/06/2011 19:19:08
Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 14:26:36
-------------------------- Forenote --------------------------

@CCP: I LOVE your AMAZING game and so i have created this thread to give you the raw concise issues so they may be addressed. Each one needs addressing somehow and you should know that keeping to CCP Pann's "calling spades 'spades'" would be a wise choice. If you mean "No", say it to avoid further confusion.

@Community: I am not attempting to become a "mediator" I simply wish to ensure that CCP are given a clear and concise list of the issues we have at present that are at the root of the current anger.

@All: I will be as un-bias as i possibly can be towards any of the issues and will keep this post (and the next one) as up to date as possible. The issues listed below are in no particular order and no one issue is given any more or less importance than any other to ensure that each one can be addressed. If i have missed something please post to let me know and i will update this post. If you are in agreement with any of the points please post it's number so that CCP can see the "priorities". Keep discussion CONSTRUCTIVE.
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Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:49:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Ms Freak on 29/06/2011 09:02:47
Dear CCP,

The following is a distinct break-down of the issues at hand:

Issue 1: Removal of the "Hangar View"
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ.
  • Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hangar view and "Ship spinning".
  • Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP.
Community Request: Return the hangar view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button.

Issue 2: NeX Prices
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • Not everyone can access this new content.
  • MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions.
  • Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
  • Players feel they are being leached.
  • Additional new currancy
  • Affect on PLEX prices
  • Bypassed the CSM.
Community Request: Divide all the prices by at least 10. They will still be expensive and "Exclusive" but more accessible and less laughable.

Issue 3: MT & Fearless
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • Suggests MT will be added to all areas of the EvE.
  • CCP & CSM agreed Vanity items only.
  • MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions.
  • Ignored the CSM.
Community Request: Repeat your promise to keep MT & Nex as Vanity only in EvE Online. Do as you please with WoD & DUST.

Issue 4: CCP Zulu's Blog
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • It is insulting and de-grading.
  • "smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous": 4.5 hours overdue deployment, 2+ threadnoughts & 100's of accounts unsubbed, ugly & slow. Anyone? Srsly?
  • Comparing pixels to RL is MMO suicide (see "SWG NGE" in Google)
  • "I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns" - No, not a single one of them. (Hense this thread as the message is clearly being lost).
  • The "F**K You" message that is sends to players.
  • Ignored the CSM.
Community Request: Do NOT insult your customers like this ever again. Please speak clearly. Call spades spades. Answer our questions. Address our issues. But not like this.

Issue 5: Captains Quarters
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • Not "optional".
  • Not finished.
  • Over heating video-cards.
  • Avatars look like they have been beaten with baseball bats.
  • "Shown the door" when it is turned off (This seriously isn't funny).
  • Broken, Ugly & Slow.
  • Mountains of player feedback in the testing forum ignored.
  • Ignored the CSM.
Community Request: Release finished expansions, do it late if nessesary. The last few expansions (bar this one) have been "good", and Team BFF and 1000's paper cuts was really making a difference to the players. Continue like that, not like this.

Issue 6: Broken & Stealth Changed functionality
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • Key mechanics (probing) were changed dramatically without warning.
  • Boosters & Implants were severely broken.
  • Show info windows scroll-bars didn't work.
  • Drones, missiles & probes werent getting any bonuses.
  • Broken patches
  • Dead Mac clients
Community Request: Please don't return to the days of the expansion no-one mentions because it broke everything. Stop announcing your expansions 4 weeks in advanced and then cramming to get it done. Give us 2 days notice, TELL US what's changing and get it right instead.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:51:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Ms Freak on 29/06/2011 09:04:48
Edited by: Ms Freak on 29/06/2011 09:03:38
Edited by: Ms Freak on 29/06/2011 09:03:19
Issue 7: CCP Communication
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • Lack Of.
  • Insulting to players.
  • Un-controlled.
Community Request: *<dismay>*.... I'm lost for words.

Issue 8: Hilmar's Email
Why all the "Rage"?:
  • "_very predictable feedback_" - Srsly?
  • Insulting to players.
  • "where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" - SRSLY?
  • "It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before" - SERIOUSLY?
Community Request: *<dismay, again>* An appology would be nice!

Issue 9: COO Interview
Why all the "Dismay"?:
  • After announcing that the CSM will attend an emergancy meeting...
  • See points 4, 7 & 8
  • Talk to the press but not your own customers
  • Telling the press what you are going to agree with the CSM?
  • No talk of issue resolution
  • Apparent lack of communication/agreement within CCP
Community Request: *<dismay, yet again>* ..... ?


The EvE community is a passionate one (as we've all seen) and we are so because we LOVE this GREAT and AMAZING game. Until this week we also loved CCP for bringing it to life.

There is no-one moaning about the new super-sick Turrets, or the AWESOME new entry screen (the one with the maller). Why? Because they are GOOD they are just what EvE is about and that the players want.

The "Rage" is because the rest of the features could have been awesome too, but aren't. Not because they are fendamentally flawed (well, the NeX pricing is but we will leave that for now) but because they aren't immersive, too intrusive, too buggy and rushed.

Now, the community would like to know what CCP thinks about the these issues and what it intends to do about them (if anything).

Kind Regards

Ms Freak
PS: Thankyou for the comments and "support" but this thread is for all of us. Not just me.


Edit: Added Issue 9

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:58:00 - [4]
 

This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.

+1

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Alpine 69
This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.

+1


Thankyou. I'm simply attempting to add some constructive sense to this entire mess!

Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:48
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:30
Dont forget the leaked pdf and the damn mail.

When i read those is the moment i finally open my eyes and see where they are going : far from their fanbase.

Personnaly, after reading the mail this morning, i think it is over already and unsubbed. I am moving to a new game, so its my last moments on this forum.

Simply to say : never a game company disapointed me so much. The trust is lost forever.

cytex malrone
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 - [7]
 

supported . CCP listen

Although I don't trust these guys with any mt any more they need to get rid of the whole lot of it the cant be trusted to keep it as vanity only. Raise the subscription if they have to.

I would also state they need to start developing the internet space ships of the game and start fixing all there previous expansions. Faction war 0.0 sov galantee being a example.

CCP you have a amazing game and I will fight you tooth and nail to keep it as a amazing game.

Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:06:00 - [8]
 

Without a monocle, you just will not be taken seriously.

Where is your passion? Your commitment?


In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.


Jimmy De'Souza
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:08:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Noran Ferah
In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.


For the hundred millionth time.

That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.

Planet Face
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 - [10]
 

+1

Xzan
The Reformed
Bondage Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 - [11]
 

Well written Ms Freak.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:48
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:30
Dont forget the leaked pdf and the damn mail.

When i read those is the moment i finally open my eyes and see where they are going : far from their fanbase.

Personnaly, after reading the mail this morning, i think it is over already and unsubbed. I am moving to a new game, so its my last moments on this forum.

Simply to say : never a game company disapointed me so much. The trust is lost forever.


The PDF is covered by the "MT & Fearless" section. The Email i'll add in somewhere now. Thanks.

Arth Lawing
Gallente
Penumbra Institute
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 - [13]
 

Issue 2 Nex prices. I think the cost is not the issue here, but rather the addition of an extra new type of currency when we already have plex-isk conversion, and the costs of these items compared to other items. A set of clothing shouldn't cost more than a ready to rock capital ship, if so, why can't we all live on the planets and be tailors instead of pod pilots.

Liliana Morgenstern
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 - [14]
 

Beautifully put Ms Freak

This is a very good summary of the issues that are concerning me

+1

Yapona Mat
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 - [15]
 

good concise information. i agree to all of it there.

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Alpine 69
This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.

+1


Thankyou. I'm simply attempting to add some constructive sense to this entire mess!


I'd say you've done a nice job. Maybe throw in a link to Tippia's post (since it is a good read - CCP needs to have it committed to memory frankly) or a nod to the work he did. (Not taking anything away from you either)

But really - I commend you here. You've hit the points that I care about and done so in a completely non-confrontational way.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:13:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Noran Ferah
Without a monocle, you just will not be taken seriously.

Where is your passion? Your commitment?


In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.




Please can we keep this constructive so that CCP may have a chance at addressing this situation ina way to everyone liking?

This thread is not "Feigned outrage" it is clear, thought-out constructive questioning. And i would like to keep it that way if at all possible. Very Happy

Brother Paulan
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:14:00 - [18]
 

+1 right here, CCP read this

tex sharky
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:16:00 - [19]
 

CCP/EVE = husband
Community = wife

Recently husband undertook series of not well thought (stupid) actions and as a result wife is calling him *******. She's soo mad because she's soo in love with him. Husband naturally took all the wife's words literally and he's butthurt (banning elite community members). He also ran to his cave (lack of CCP communication and response to no 1 question). He knows he's guilty but can't agree openly in front of his wife (he cheated on her ofc:D). Now if he chooses to 'STFU/HTFU and live with it' option she will sooner or later leave him. Well he may think she's in love with him so all is going to be fine but smart women rarely stays with cheating men. As we all know once married men can't live without women for long usually falling into life-shortening activities and auto-destruction (falling into short-lived relationships, health destructive activities - you know what i mean). If however he admits he failed, he cheated and he never do it again he has the chance that his wife will forgive him and although without much trust she will live with him happily.

==================================


Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Arth Lawing
Issue 2 Nex prices. I think the cost is not the issue here, but rather the addition of an extra new type of currency when we already have plex-isk conversion, and the costs of these items compared to other items. A set of clothing shouldn't cost more than a ready to rock capital ship, if so, why can't we all live on the planets and be tailors instead of pod pilots.


I will add this to the list of concerns for this entry. Thanks.

Boris Borison
Caldari
Evolution Rising
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:17:00 - [21]
 

+ 1 a well written post in a ocean of ****.

I would disagree with 1 point, If rich ***s want to show off with an overpriced monocle, fine, but there should be some reasonably priced items available too (I still wouldn't be buying any, but the option should be there)

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:18:00 - [22]
 

Issue 2 & 3.
Very few items, new feature. not everyone can access it. Define Vanity. Market speculants for PLEX demand to rise with this patch not getting the profit the speculated billions in. Thanks to the high prices on thoose first items the plex market is kept stable.
You can also resell vanity items in eve to other players when you do not want them anymore. That 3.4 plex monocle will always be worth rougly 3.4 plex in isk. So the actual cost/loss is minimal. You could even profit from it.

The fearless document is not written to be taken seriosuly. Gordon Gekko Edition, "Greed is Good[QuestionMark]".
They need that debate for dust & WOD. The company as a whole dont know thoose coming titles, but all of CCP knows abit about EvE. Making her the perfect arena for an exaggerrated debate about how to go about MT to highlight extremist views, bad ideas and Gordon Gekko greed. Soundwave acting making an excellent Gekko rendition.

And the blogg response.
Abit bad admittedly, but I guess faced with threats put into action to 'take you company down and threadnaught you into oblivion and spill your guts all over gaming sites' makes a corporation edgey.






Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:19:00 - [23]
 

+1

Dr Prometheus
Caldari
Gears of Construction
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:20:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 25/06/2011 11:21:56
I agree with OP, but try to keep cicilized.

If that doesnt work, we can always try to send mail (the old version on paper :P). To CCP; let them drown in the paper. If forum rage doesnt work as you wont notice much except your database grows, try an approach wich does get noticed; fill there mailbox with letters; call them (if possible.)

If that doesnt work, we can always try to send some torches and pitchforks. Laughing

There adress:

CCP Headquarters
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Tel: (+354) 540 9100
Fax: (+354) 540 9198



Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:23:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza


For the hundred millionth time.

That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.


I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?

If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.

Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.

Emydia
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:26:00 - [26]
 

+1 well written

Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:26:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie on 25/06/2011 11:28:09
Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza


For the hundred millionth time.

That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.


I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?

If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.

Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.


And guess where that char wich you "buy". (Transfer fee). Got his stuff from; yes ingame items, made by other people. Its the same character with a new owner, not a new char with instant cash and ships. Wich the new NeX if everything is true will become; buy a 5bill Titan from thin air, while others working/botting there asses off for it. Thats the point not your unlogical logic.

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:27:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza

something not constructive...

Somethign more unconstructive..



Guys... Please... Take it else where.

Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 - [29]
 

+1 for good post, says everything we're all ****ed off with in a concise and level headed manner.
@CCP, please read and act...

Lt Vanzi
Lamb Federation Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:31:00 - [30]
 

this needs to be stickied


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