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Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:17:00 - [1]
 

It was a long time, since I started to pay attention to EVE and evolution of this game. The start was great, the game was hardcore and challenging, new players, and me as one of them had a value to the old players and EVE community. The first thing I remember about the game was the fact, that most of the old players wanted me to join them, suggested me a role in this virtual world, was willing to help you at the start and find you useful at the same time. That was not a charity - that was a cooperation of new and old players, something I never saw in other MMO.

There were some minor balance issues in my opinion, but the possible ways to evolve your character was also awesome. Almost every ship and item was useful for something, opening you vast possibilities once you trained the skill required for it.

It is almost perfect – that what was I thought, and hoped it will be polished soon™

As a player back in those first years of a game I trusted CCP that this game will be running forever. The project itself was a success, so I was sure that I will not lose my time and money training my skills and buying stuff in game, if someone will just decide to close the project and shut down the game.

EULA and ban policy was something scary for me, I saw a lot of players was banned almost for nothing, it was really hardcore TOS, with no obligations from the CCP side, but I could live with that at that time, hoping if I will not break any rules, it will be fine after all. I trusted CCP.

The first call for me, that my trust is too optimistic was a snowballs nerf. It was a rude in my opinion, someone just made you a present than just takes it back. I don’t know if it’s fine in Iceland to do so, but in place where I live that gives you no respect at all. The message was clear for me – CCP doesn’t care about your ingame items and will wipe them just for fun at any time, so why collect them? My gamestyle had changed accordingly this new message. There were no collecting stamps for me in EVE anymore, no trust in safety of ingame property. Still some trust about safety of char skills and isk.

Later, game had changed more, there were lots of thing I like and don’t like added to the game, but it was somehow ok with me. I was sure that CCP do know what are they doing after all. The only thing that I was worry about now was game changes affecting my skills, lowering my possibilities in this game. With every not reasonable nerf and boost that devolves my skills I was losing a bit of trust in my skills safety, especially when I had no explanation of what these changes are good for. It was a time when metagaming made more and more sence for me, and trust to invest my skills for training 1 profession I prefer was fading. With a T3 introduction CCP showed us, that skills are not so important anymore, you can just buy isk and fly a better ship. But I still hoped CCP does know what they are doing.

The bottom line for me was Dominion. For me – it was ruining the whole sense of what this game is made of. It was devolving most of the ships and items in game, making them useless. The main unique feature of this game – new players that needed for community was ruined completely. I was not so sure CCP knows what they are doing anymore.

I was trying to help CCP at that point, applying to CSM, saw unfinished PI in failure, but still hoped CCP will fix the situation asap and make this game fun again. Instead, we were told that we have to wait 18 month before we possibly can play that good game again. Nothing will be done. The trust was lost completely.

Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:20:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Korvin on 25/06/2011 11:10:26
Now time passes by, and we get more and more unfinished stuff, but more than that CCP want us to pay microtransactions on top of subscription. All that free expansions they were announcing as a feature of this game was a lie as a ghost training they were announcing as a feature before they fixed it, remember that.

Now answer me a question – can I trust this company that those goods that I will buy as my virtual property through those microtransactions are safe? Will not CCP just change their mind and nerf them as a snowballs after all? What I should pay for? Where is any guaranties and can I trust them after all? Should I spend my time and money for nothing, when this all can be devolved just for lulz by the company you don’t trust?

Sure it is not, and everyone with a sense can understand that.

But we still have a kind of hope that CCP have a basic understanding what they are doing, so what we can expect? The only option in situation like this for a company – is to force microtransactions, so vanity items only is just a beginning. And whatever you say, there is no trust, there is only logic based on history of your actions and breaking your promises, acting like a little girl, that have no responsibilities.

So, this is what I feel about this situation, what can be done to solve this puzzle is another story that is starting right now. But in any case, any human relationships are based on a trust, and if you want it to continue, you have to make some promises that you will not brake after all.

drillerkiller2004
Bi'Atch Inc
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:46:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: drillerkiller2004 on 25/06/2011 10:47:44
How can we trust people from a country that club baby seals for fun?





Caveat:Except my icelandic mates of course

Agrikaan
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:56:00 - [4]
 

Many things have now been made clearer. Such as why unlimited local ship fittings were suddenly, for no good reason and with no good explanation, moved to server and limited to 50.

All done and planned months ago, so they can later charge for extra save slots.

They're limiting existing stuff and features, so they can later charge us extra for it.

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:25:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: KoffeeKup on 25/06/2011 19:25:24
Its complete bull**** and I'm sad to see the game go down the toilet. To me and my brother this game was like the ****ing promised land. Where you could cheat anybody out of everything. Where death was frightening because you could lose everything with a few volleys. Where if you were persistent enough you could end everything with the click of a button.

Hell the guys in Iceland seamed pretty damn cool.

But the events that took place after Incarna, a patch that I waited for thinking that it was going to revolutionize gameplay. I was so ****ing wrong. What we were shown years before was amazing.
What we got was a pile of ****.

I'm holding on just for my old friends that still play and the hope that someone will change something or even acknowledge the game communities disappointment but as we all now know that ship has sailed.

I won't say good-bye Eve yet, this ones going down with the ship.Sad

Mekatilili
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: KoffeeKup
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 25/06/2011 19:25:24
Its complete bull**** and I'm sad to see the game go down the toilet. To me and my brother this game was like the ****ing promised land. Where you could cheat anybody out of everything. Where death was frightening because you could lose everything with a few volleys. Where if you were persistent enough you could end everything with the click of a button.

Hell the guys in Iceland seamed pretty damn cool.

But the events that took place after Incarna, a patch that I waited for thinking that it was going to revolutionize gameplay. I was so ****ing wrong. What we were shown years before was amazing.
What we got was a pile of ****.

I'm holding on just for my old friends that still play and the hope that someone will change something or even acknowledge the game communities disappointment but as we all now know that ship has sailed.

I won't say good-bye Eve yet, this ones going down with the ship.Sad


SWG all over again!

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:04:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mekatilili
Originally by: KoffeeKup
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 25/06/2011 19:25:24
Its complete bull**** and I'm sad to see the game go down the toilet. To me and my brother this game was like the ****ing promised land. Where you could cheat anybody out of everything. Where death was frightening because you could lose everything with a few volleys. Where if you were persistent enough you could end everything with the click of a button.

Hell the guys in Iceland seamed pretty damn cool.

But the events that took place after Incarna, a patch that I waited for thinking that it was going to revolutionize gameplay. I was so ****ing wrong. What we were shown years before was amazing.
What we got was a pile of ****.

I'm holding on just for my old friends that still play and the hope that someone will change something or even acknowledge the game communities disappointment but as we all now know that ship has sailed.

I won't say good-bye Eve yet, this ones going down with the ship.Sad


SWG all over again!


nah, SWG went down much faster, and alot harder, like the hindenburg.... EVE is sinking gracefully, like a fat-guy with ice-cubes in his pants, or the titanic.

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:45:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Pirokobo on 26/06/2011 04:47:56
Originally by: Nariya Kentaya
nah, SWG went down much faster, and alot harder, like the hindenburg.... EVE is sinking gracefully, like a fat-guy with ice-cubes in his pants, or the titanic.


CCP probably could have gotten away with it if the leaks hadn't come out casting them as Snidely Whiplash...

Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Korvin on 27/06/2011 19:04:40
Well, all that I wanted to point out - this is not JUST MICROTRANSACTIONS rage, this is a cumulative effect.

All this changes is a threat to the current players virtual goods and skills value, something players are investing their time and money. It's a threat to their safety.

So what players are basically ask for is guaranties for their safety.

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:31:00 - [10]
 

Whilst I agree with the main topics on this thread the thing that really gets me is the ETERNAL beta. Things change in everything and I agree that some are good e.g. PI others not so, CQ as a glaring example; slow, buggy and not properly thought through. As a grumpy old cynic I never trusted CCP to have my best interests at heart, so the changes that affected me I took in my stride. What really bothers me is the lemming like rush for the cliffs edge of "new". Change for changes sake, or to be uncharitable, to screw a few more pennies out of us peons.

SadPlease CCP, slow down, listen to what people are telling you works and what does not and do something about it.

Sadly I can see no viable way of getting the message across. CSM seems to me to be a busted flush, all that talk about NDAs says to me that they are being used as a screen to deflect genuine concern and opinion whilst allowing CCP to carry on "business as usual". After 5 years of playing EVE I've had times when I could not take playing for a while, like I suspect, have many others, but just now MT, CQ and the continual tinkering with new stuff and ignoring the faults is beginning to make me consider permanent retirement.


 

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