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extended downtime
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:15:00 - [1]
 

I think you should all calm down a bit. The amount of rage CCP employees are facing now is enourmous (given the case they care Cool) and personal(!) insults against them in these boards are going way too far.

Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:17:00 - [2]
 


Erid Tangor
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:17:00 - [3]
 

lol

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:20:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Darveses
Personal insult to every single EVE player.

QFT

Hilmar can eat a sack of baby ****s tbh

Maddi5on
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:20:00 - [5]
 

jita local last night...



[ 2011.06.24 21:59:00 ] Carl White > WTS Bhaalgorn convo me
[ 2011.06.24 21:59:00 ] Bam Stroker > CCP ZULU IS A CONVICED PEDOPHILE!
[ 2011.06.24 21:59:04 ] Tyranus69 > Vindicator Blueprint (Item Exchange) cheepest on contract @ 750m!!!!
[ 2011.06.24 21:59:04 ] Jenna Uma > SMARTBOMB SMARTBOMB

extended downtime
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Maddi5on
jita local last night...



[ 2011.06.24 21:59:00 ] Carl White > WTS Bhaalgorn convo me
[ 2011.06.24 21:59:00 ] Bam Stroker > CCP ZULU IS A CONVICED PEDOPHILE!
[ 2011.06.24 21:59:04 ] Tyranus69 > Vindicator Blueprint (Item Exchange) cheepest on contract @ 750m!!!!
[ 2011.06.24 21:59:04 ] Jenna Uma > SMARTBOMB SMARTBOMB


that's what I mean. And I've seen lots of those lately...

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:25:00 - [7]
 

With any luck they will ask for volunteers to help with all the bans that should rightfully happen.

Pavel Bidermann
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:26:00 - [8]
 

At this point I think your arguement is moot. The gloves are off on both sides.

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Pavel Bidermann
At this point I think your arguement is moot. The gloves are off on both sides.



Hard to argue with that one, given the turn of events.

ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:28:00 - [10]
 

NO ONE CARES ANYMORE...WE ARE DONE...ARE ACCOUNT ARE ALREADY CANCELLED!!! CCP DOSN"T GIVE REFUNDS SO WE ARE GOING TO BURN THIS B***** Down on the way out!!!!

Serenity Frye
Gallente
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:29:00 - [11]
 

you have stockholm syndrome.

cytex malrone
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:30:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Pavel Bidermann
At this point I think your arguement is moot. The gloves are off on both sides.

theres gloves in the aurum store Shocked

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:30:00 - [13]
 

You have to be more creative than the creative and exploitative interpretation of opinion CCP has been using on it's base that speaks out. You also have to muzzle crap like that jita post which is just asking for it.

Uglavitch Nefrex
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:30:00 - [14]
 

They deserve it! don't you understand so many broken promises nothing fixed but they are pushing through this awful expansion!!!!!!!

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:32:00 - [15]
 

Unsubbing brings freedom! Take the red pill!

Also, CCP deserves to be insulted, although "pedophile" is a bit far. "Liar" is less inflammatory but has the important quality of being correct.

Maddi5on
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
Unsubbing brings freedom! Take the red pill!

Also, CCP deserves to be insulted, although "pedophile" is a bit far. "Liar" is less inflammatory but has the important quality of being correct.


Show me one quote of a lie, and in context.

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 - [17]
 

too easy. ccp devs have been quoted as saying "There will be NO MT coming to eve online." let me find it for you.

Gulliver Rex
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 - [18]
 

Personally, I think it is better if people vent their anger. And so what if they are crass about it.

That way, if they decide to stay, they won't have to feel shame. Not as badly, anyhow.

And if they decide to leave, well, they will get at least some satisfaction. Doubly so, if they genuinely loved the game.

As for those who do not for conviction, but to seek attention ... they're people, too.

It comes with the territory. If Hilmar & Co. believe in and know what they are doing, they have forgiven. And if they deserved it, it is going to make it easier on them.

Think if no one said anything, but felt that way just the same. Would you really want all that poison to stay on the inside?

Eos Astraios
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
NO ONE CARES ANYMORE...WE ARE DONE...ARE ACCOUNT ARE ALREADY CANCELLED!!! CCP DOSN"T GIVE REFUNDS SO WE ARE GOING TO BURN THIS B***** Down on the way out!!!!


This.

All aboard the failtrain

Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:49:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Uglavitch Nefrex
They deserve it! don't you understand so many broken promises nothing fixed but they are pushing through this awful expansion!!!!!!!


I'm pretty upset by whats going on and am considering my future with the game, but you are just plain wrong and immature! "they broke a promise in a game" (though I've not seen any clear evidence of that) does not equal "I can go completely ballistic and do/say what I like and its all fine because its the internet and they brought this on themselves".

There are complaints of a disconnect between CCP and the players. With attitudes like yours, is that any surprise? The player base appears to be completely bipolar, its either silent or its pants on head insanely raging. Pretty much every update, expansion etc has drawn the same sort of rage, so its impossible to draw a distinction. "We've released an expansion, forums have exploded, business as usual...". So now, when it really, really counts, we're finding that we've cried wolf too many times and he message isn't getting through.

MT for an in game mechanics benefit (not cosmetic) is a paradigm shifter in the game design and that shift is all that matters. No raging insults or other ridiculous bull**** is needed here, just the requirement for an answer to the question. Everything else is confusing the situation and allowing the powers that be to slip off the hook because they can go fight a different fire.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:52:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Maddi5on
Originally by: Vikarion
Unsubbing brings freedom! Take the red pill!

Also, CCP deserves to be insulted, although "pedophile" is a bit far. "Liar" is less inflammatory but has the important quality of being correct.


Show me one quote of a lie, and in context.


Sure. Here's just one of the most recent: CCP stated, flat out to the CSM, that there would be no, none, zero pay-to-win MT. Now we find out that they're talking about ways to introduce it, and what items. That's lying.

Oh, here's another: telling us that they want our feedback and to hear what we say, while Hilmar is writing emails about how it is corporate policy to ignore us.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:54:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Uglavitch Nefrex
They deserve it! don't you understand so many broken promises nothing fixed but they are pushing through this awful expansion!!!!!!!


I'm pretty upset by whats going on and am considering my future with the game, but you are just plain wrong and immature! "they broke a promise in a game" (though I've not seen any clear evidence of that) does not equal "I can go completely ballistic and do/say what I like and its all fine because its the internet and they brought this on themselves".

There are complaints of a disconnect between CCP and the players. With attitudes like yours, is that any surprise? The player base appears to be completely bipolar, its either silent or its pants on head insanely raging. Pretty much every update, expansion etc has drawn the same sort of rage, so its impossible to draw a distinction. "We've released an expansion, forums have exploded, business as usual...". So now, when it really, really counts, we're finding that we've cried wolf too many times and he message isn't getting through.

MT for an in game mechanics benefit (not cosmetic) is a paradigm shifter in the game design and that shift is all that matters. No raging insults or other ridiculous bull**** is needed here, just the requirement for an answer to the question. Everything else is confusing the situation and allowing the powers that be to slip off the hook because they can go fight a different fire.


On the other hand, when people lie, they deserve to be called on it, and CCP have irrefutably established themselves as being liars. So I call them such.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:55:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Token Afrodude
too easy. ccp devs have been quoted as saying "There will be NO MT coming to eve online." let me find it for you.


Hurry up, it's out there.

Once you find it, actually read the whole thing. You might notice that when he says "there will be no Micro Transactions in EVE" he is specifically talking about selling skill points for MT's in EVE. Granted, he should have reiterated that he was talking about skill point sales at that point.

Interesting how meanings change once put in context eh? Very Happy

Maddi5on
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:58:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Maddi5on
Originally by: Vikarion
Unsubbing brings freedom! Take the red pill!

Also, CCP deserves to be insulted, although "pedophile" is a bit far. "Liar" is less inflammatory but has the important quality of being correct.


Show me one quote of a lie, and in context.


Sure. Here's just one of the most recent: CCP stated, flat out to the CSM, that there would be no, none, zero pay-to-win MT. Now we find out that they're talking about ways to introduce it, and what items. That's lying.


Oh, here's another: telling us that they want our feedback and to hear what we say, while Hilmar is writing emails about how it is corporate policy to ignore us.


you need to provide proof they said they wouldn't talk about MTs.

Circumstantial Evidence
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:00:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
Oh, here's another: telling us that they want our feedback and to hear what we say, while Hilmar is writing emails about how it is corporate policy to ignore us.

Nope - they are paying close attention to what we DO - are players unsubbing in droves, or just raging? I know a lot of players who are still... playing the game, with very little interest in reading dev blogs or leaked memos.

Maddi5on
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:02:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence
Originally by: Vikarion
Oh, here's another: telling us that they want our feedback and to hear what we say, while Hilmar is writing emails about how it is corporate policy to ignore us.

Nope - they are paying close attention to what we DO - are players unsubbing in droves, or just raging? I know a lot of players who are still... playing the game, with very little interest in reading dev blogs or leaked memos.


yeah baby Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Maddi5on
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:14:00 - [27]
 

Shocked are you still lookingShocked

Alley Specter
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:15:00 - [28]
 

Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400
To: riverini@gmail.com
Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today
From: evewatch@hush.com
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”UTF-8″
Message-Id: <20110623221654.CF1E76F438@smtp.hushmail.com>

sent by hilmar to ccp global list-

(strt)

We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.

But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.

Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.

This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.

All that said, I couldn’t be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.

(end)

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Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:16:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Vikarion on 25/06/2011 08:16:41
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Token Afrodude
too easy. ccp devs have been quoted as saying "There will be NO MT coming to eve online." let me find it for you.


Hurry up, it's out there.

Once you find it, actually read the whole thing. You might notice that when he says "there will be no Micro Transactions in EVE" he is specifically talking about selling skill points for MT's in EVE. Granted, he should have reiterated that he was talking about skill point sales at that point.

Interesting how meanings change once put in context eh? Very Happy



That's not what most people are referring to. What people are referring to is when CCP told the CSM that there would be NO non-vanity MT. None. And now we've caught them discussing how, when, and with what items they should implement it.

extended downtime
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:18:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Maddi5on
Shocked are you still lookingShocked


Yeah, I said what I wanted to.


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