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jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.12 01:34:00 - [121]
 

I guess at the press conference ccp indicated they would not be assigning any new devs to eve gameplay.

So unless a new expansion that fixes broken features or creates new content pops up out of thin air, like a golden scorpion, we should not expect a proper expansion for a few years.

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.13 10:46:00 - [122]
 

*Willing to pay Aurum for a response from CCP

Ejit
Amarr
STD contractors
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:39:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
Go here and sign/give a thumbs up to the Assembly Hall petition for our CSM to get a dev roadmap for Eve.


Why petition for something that does not and will not exist!

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:06:00 - [124]
 

There are enough 'features' already in game, all they should be thinking about now is raising the standard of quality for all aspects of the game that is currently in existence;

Game Stability (less lag & DT)
Ship Balance
Ship (V3?) Redesigns
FW (lol)
etc, etc, etc...

im sure there is a list of things needing to be done in the '1000 papercuts thread', I would be perfectly happy if they spend the next year just following up on things in game that could/should be expanded upon/fixed.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:47:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
There are enough 'features' already in game, all they should be thinking about now is raising the standard of quality for all aspects of the game that is currently in existence;

Game Stability (less lag & DT)
Ship Balance
Ship (V3?) Redesigns
FW (lol)
etc, etc, etc...

im sure there is a list of things needing to be done in the '1000 papercuts thread', I would be perfectly happy if they spend the next year just following up on things in game that could/should be expanded upon/fixed.


If you read the csm minutes you will see that ccp is not putting the resources toward core eve gameplay. The only thing they will be working on in the forseeable future is incarnatransactions, wod, and dust.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.07.13 14:14:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Skippermonkey
There are enough 'features' already in game, all they should be thinking about now is raising the standard of quality for all aspects of the game that is currently in existence;

Game Stability (less lag & DT)
Ship Balance
Ship (V3?) Redesigns
FW (lol)
etc, etc, etc...

im sure there is a list of things needing to be done in the '1000 papercuts thread', I would be perfectly happy if they spend the next year just following up on things in game that could/should be expanded upon/fixed.


If you read the csm minutes you will see that ccp is not putting the resources toward core eve gameplay. The only thing they will be working on in the forseeable future is incarnatransactions, wod, and dust.

ORLY?
Originally by: dev blog
Currently, there are three main teams working on EVE Flying-in-Space content (as opposed to Incarna, infrastructure development [Carbon], performance [Gridlock], and so on). These are Team BFF (Little Things), Team TriLambda (Art), and Team Commie Pinkos (Content, such as missions).

So really what you're saying is the dev blog had too many words and you stopped reading it because you wanted to shoot a statue in Jita?

Phelan Votronski
Posted - 2011.07.13 15:02:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey

ORLY?
Originally by: dev blog
Currently, there are three main teams working on EVE Flying-in-Space content (as opposed to Incarna, infrastructure development [Carbon], performance [Gridlock], and so on). These are Team BFF (Little Things), Team TriLambda (Art), and Team Commie Pinkos (Content, such as missions).

So really what you're saying is the dev blog had too many words and you stopped reading it because you wanted to shoot a statue in Jita?


Mhhh. That's upward of 20 people. In a 700 man corporation who all get paid from eve subscriptions (and monocles). Seems like they really mean it. Laughing

Medidranda Livoga
Posted - 2011.07.13 15:08:00 - [128]
 

Those guys are going for low hanging fruit (small tweaks and features mostly). Nothing wrong with it but player must realize that vast majority of devs are working on something else than EVE.

Obviously Confidential
Posted - 2011.07.13 15:47:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content in Incarna and additionally nothing of virtue being displayed in the development roadmap at this years FanFest.

With CCP only recently stating that they are just starting to look at gameplay and 0.0 again, I worry that it will be 2013 at the earlist before we see any new content developments or fixes to broken core mechanics. Concerns were raised that Eve development was put on hold for 18 months and there has been little if anything to reassure players and customers that there is a future beyond rehashing of existing content with upgraded turrets and models etc.

Specifically, one year ago, CCP published a Dev Blog titled Iterative development and what's happening in 2011 which outlined the future investment portfolio for development which largely centred on DUST, Incarna, Eve Gate and so forth. There was nothing at all of substance concerning EVE content or fixes to major gameplay issues. Instead, all revenues and investment was being divested into non-Eve projects, or expansions the majority of the player base did not want.

The Dev Blog was received very badly by the playerbase, and to follow was a damage control exercise which focused on low hanging fruit to appease everyone.

I mention this as one year on, the concerns that everyone raised so passionately last year are now realised. Incarna is a shallow expansion which offers only novelty content. I am not specificlaly against increased immersion and will quite happily walk in stations...but not at the expense of stopping all other meaningful development on Eve.

Is there anything that you as CCP can publish that outlines a future that we can look forward to?




Good post.

We have to wait for DUST to tank, followed by WoD, then we'll have a new CEO that will tell us how much he loves EVE, so much that he is going to put all 700 employees back to work on New Eden.

This will happen when someone realizes that investing less in EVE is highly correlated with less subscriptions and no new PCU records.

Latest PCU was during 2010 Alliance Tournament, this year even with all the marketing prizes for guessing matches as an incentive to keep people online, they failed to beat it.

If you stop investing in a half finished game, do people stop playing it?

Can sandboxes be "milked" in the traditional MMO sense of the word?

CCP will find out, they are truly Fearless.

KingMazz ONE
Posted - 2011.07.13 16:36:00 - [130]
 

simple nobody play dust or any ccp game there we win they do what we say, if all of you i mean all of us just stop playing eve and put a dent in ccp wallet we would get what we want as long as people keep paying and making ccp money they get to do what they want.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.13 17:48:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Skippermonkey
There are enough 'features' already in game, all they should be thinking about now is raising the standard of quality for all aspects of the game that is currently in existence;

Game Stability (less lag & DT)
Ship Balance
Ship (V3?) Redesigns
FW (lol)
etc, etc, etc...

im sure there is a list of things needing to be done in the '1000 papercuts thread', I would be perfectly happy if they spend the next year just following up on things in game that could/should be expanded upon/fixed.


If you read the csm minutes you will see that ccp is not putting the resources toward core eve gameplay. The only thing they will be working on in the forseeable future is incarnatransactions, wod, and dust.

ORLY?.


really really

Originally by: Skippermonkey

Originally by: dev blog
Currently, there are three main teams working on EVE Flying-in-Space content (as opposed to Incarna, infrastructure development [Carbon], performance [Gridlock], and so on). These are Team BFF (Little Things), Team TriLambda (Art), and Team Commie Pinkos (Content, such as missions).

So really what you're saying is the dev blog had too many words and you stopped reading it because you wanted to shoot a statue in Jita?


No what I am saying is that what you post proves my point. There are the same number of teams they had back in june of 2010. They had 22 devs on FIS divided into 3 teams. Missions team, art team, and features team. They appearantly renamed the "features team" from july of 2010 the BFF team but nothing was added.

Read zulus dev blog from july of 2010 if you don't believe me.

Helena C
Posted - 2011.07.13 18:05:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Helena C on 13/07/2011 18:05:06
I'd rather see an entire expansion where they did nothing but fix broken ****. Who cares about new content when it's always half finished or full of bugs.

Fix old stuff then work on new things.

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.07.13 19:02:00 - [133]
 

Actually, I say we got to give credit to the art team. The only ones giving new stuff to EVE Online in each expansion. Even if its little.

4 2 0
Posted - 2011.07.14 15:42:00 - [134]
 

Last few expansions have added nothing of value. Hope CCP enjoys all the players this costs not just for Eve but for their future games.

They will have no credibility.

Darth Helmat
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:23:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Skippermonkey
There are enough 'features' already in game, all they should be thinking about now is raising the standard of quality for all aspects of the game that is currently in existence;

Game Stability (less lag & DT)
Ship Balance
Ship (V3?) Redesigns
FW (lol)
etc, etc, etc...



If you read the csm minutes you will see that ccp is not putting the resources toward core eve gameplay.

ORLY?.


really really

Originally by: Skippermonkey

Originally by: dev blog
Currently, there are three main teams working on EVE Flying-in-Space content (as opposed to Incarna, infrastructure development [Carbon], performance [Gridlock], and so on). These are Team BFF (Little Things), Team TriLambda (Art), and Team Commie Pinkos (Content, such as missions).

So really what you're saying is the dev blog had too many words and you stopped reading it because you wanted to shoot a statue in Jita?


No what I am saying is that what you post proves my point. There are the same number of teams they had back in june of 2010. They had 22 devs on FIS divided into 3 teams. Missions team, art team, and features team. They appearantly renamed the "features team" from july of 2010 the BFF team but nothing was added.



And none of those teams can deliver the things that the players are saying needs work (ie the list at the top)

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.14 21:45:00 - [136]
 


The missions team will continue to tweak missions. The art team will continue to tweak the art. Team BFF is appearantly trying to work on some sort of null sec sov changes for the winter.

After that could they do something substantial for one of the other listed things? Sure. I mean if all of team bff worked on improving fw plexing they probably could make it substantially better in 6 months work. Certainly the team that gave us incursions did allot of work considering the small size of their team.

So I'm not saying its completely hopeless but unless they put more devs on fis then we shouldn't expect the rate of improvements to fis to increase. And IMO since apoc 1.5 there has been very little in terms of fis improvements.

Spumantii
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:24:00 - [137]
 

bump for Sister

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.23 06:26:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: jackaloped

If you read the csm minutes you will see that ccp is not putting the resources toward core eve gameplay. The only thing they will be working on in the forseeable future is incarnatransactions, wod, and dust.


This

Cpt Flowers
Caldari
Grim Determination
Posted - 2011.07.23 08:01:00 - [139]
 

Bump -awaiting CCP response-. Evil or Very Mad

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.07.23 08:22:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Cpt Flowers
Bump -awaiting CCP response-. Evil or Very Mad


I got some inside informatione, they think you are ugly and smell bad.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.23 08:26:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
So really what you're saying is the dev blog had too many words and you stopped reading it because you wanted to shoot a statue in Jita?


You really can't expect much better from these people. They have completely annexed themselves from reality and choose to self-mutilate by visiting the forums of their most loathed adversary CCP on a daily (if not hourly) basis.

Looking forward to most of their sub's running out this year while I continue to enjoy the game.

Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.23 08:35:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Mater Dolorosa
When 90% of the income generated by Eve is used for other things than Eve what can you expect ?


Argumentum ad Made-up-statisticatem

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.23 19:52:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Cpt Flowers
-awaiting CCP response-. Evil or Very Mad


I bet they will announce the new expansion will add 1000's of virtual clothes to dress up our barbies, possibly indestructible ships that can be purchased with AUR, possibly skill points that can be purchased with AUR.

CCP know exactly what their new player base wants!


Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.23 21:36:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Pure Tabasco
Actually, I say we got to give credit to the art team. The only ones giving new stuff to EVE Online in each expansion. Even if its little.


I agree with this actually, the Carbon creator was great, Incarna promises to be great once they iron out the quirks and open it up to multiplayer, the clothing, etc., while boringly designed by mandate, is well done for what it is. Turrets are great. The new nebulae looks truly epic, and the idea that there will be a consistently changing background in the various solar systems is fantastic.

No problems with any of that side of it at all.

It's just general change in direction of CCP's thinking, from making EVE the best virtual world it could possibly be, and making a profit from that, to monetizing the sh*t out if it, and making a profit from that (and screw the virtual world), that's made me a sad bunny.

Thomas Turnpoint
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:22:00 - [145]
 

It's bad enough that they are lacking in the "add new content" department, but they seem to be quite proficient at breaking content that already works.

"It it aint broke, fix it til it is!"

Sure, they have new turrets and turret animations. All *visual*. So who had the dead brained idea to go and muck with the code for the sound effects of said new shiny turrets?
How exactly does updating the visual representation of the turrets have anything to do with the code that displays the icons for ships on the overview?
Why was the code for said icons even *touched* when it has worked for years?

CCP seems to have a team dedicated to just screwing around with code to "see what happens" when they implement it.

Hoya en Marland
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:31:00 - [146]
 

Just shut it down already.

Haruki Tekitsu
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:35:00 - [147]
 

Can I have your stuff?

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.24 09:44:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian

It's just general change in direction of CCP's thinking, from making EVE the best virtual world it could possibly be, and making a profit from that, to monetizing the sh*t out if it, and making a profit from that (and screw the virtual world), that's made me a sad bunny.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:42:00 - [149]
 

Where can i read lastests CSM minutes ?

Simplus Massive
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:44:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Where can i read lastests CSM minutes ?

http://www.eveonline.com/council/voting/transcripts.asp


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