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Dayves Skorvaan
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:27:00 - [61]
 

*bumpage*

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:33:00 - [62]
 

Incursions....

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:52:00 - [63]
 

As unhappy as I am over the introduction of MT - the reason I put in my "why I disabled my accounts" was the lack of content over an extended period of time.

I'm still hoping the CSM meeting gives us something to be hopeful about - but I'm happily playing Tanks at the moment and may return to Perpetuum as many of my EVE friends seem to be playing over there these days. (Tried the game during Beta, was ok but not enough to replace EVE at the time. As EVE appears to have actually gotten worse, and Perpetuum has probably improved, it may be worth trying again)

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:01:00 - [64]
 

Excellent post op. I think this is the reason the outlook for those who actually play eve is extremely bleak:

Originally by: Mater Dolorosa
When 90% of the income generated by Eve is used for other things than Eve what can you expect ?


I know I'm in the minority when I say I am waiting for them to fix fw.

But most players have things they would like to see ccp working on in eve as it existed before incarnatransactions.

The lame expansions since apoc, this whole incarnatransactions expansion, combined with the fact that they are not even assigning devs to any of the current in space mechanics is just completely disheartening.

I like eve and want to play it when they fix fw. But I am not going to keep paying them for years on end waiting for that to happen. I will let the subs run out and when I see the expanson that fixes fw I will resub.

No hard feelings to ccp but they are designing stuff I am not the least bit interested in.

I actually was going to wait the 18 months. But now it appears that wait will be much longer so I am outta here.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:05:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content in Incarna and additionally nothing of virtue being displayed in the development roadmap at this years FanFest.



Go here and sign/give a thumbs up to the Assembly Hall petition for our CSM to get a dev roadmap for Eve.


jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:51:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content in Incarna and additionally nothing of virtue being displayed in the development roadmap at this years FanFest.



Go here and sign/give a thumbs up to the Assembly Hall petition for our CSM to get a dev roadmap for Eve.




The problem with the proposal is that it doesn't ask that CCP actually work on the spaceship part of the game. As far as I can tell CCP has, in so many words, already given a road map for the next few years. That roadmap is inarna transactions and more incarna transactions.

I would vote for a proposal that asks for ccp to start putting out decent in space content. Not just something 7 devs through together like incursions.

Race Drones
13th Squadron
E C L I P S E
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:08:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content in Incarna ...


Expand, Expand, and Expand, ... at The End, Explode !.

I like a playable and stable game, one expansion every 18 months is good for me.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:12:00 - [68]
 

New Content, they haven't even balanced the ships we have or finished the old content.

They have just begun doing nothing inportant in stations and everything else just takes a back seat.

Look at the last expansion, Sleepers in Highsec and a poorly Balanced Supercap.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:44:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
New Content, they haven't even balanced the ships we have or finished the old content.

They have just begun doing nothing inportant in stations and everything else just takes a back seat.

Look at the last expansion, Sleepers in Highsec and a poorly Balanced Supercap.



Its not a matter of old or new content. They have an extremely small number of devs assigned to anything dealing with in space eve.

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:56:00 - [70]
 

I assume that an expansion built around RMT doesn't count (incarna). So... next summer at the earliest but next winter (2013-2014) is more likely given the current state of :psyCCP: .

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:04:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Its not a matter of old or new content. They have an extremely small number of devs assigned to anything dealing with in space eve.

And that saddens me. They are so busy with parts of the game that don't matter near as much. CCP Fallout said that Incarna will be good for space because the TV will allow people to see and learn about parts of the game they haven't done yet like the "Still Unfinished" Pirate Epic Arcs as if they could not add it into a window veiw to be added anywhere in space. Like restricting something to docking was the only way. It is obvious they were reaching for content that could not be done in the UI and they still have not found it.

I started just after Dominion and Incursions was the closest thing to an actual Expansion I have seen. I wish they would just take a look at the broken content and not release things like Incarna not only a year before they are ready but when the issues with the actual game have been looked at. Sad


Generous Benefactor
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:42:00 - [72]
 

*bump* Hello CCP?

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:59:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: jackaloped
Its not a matter of old or new content. They have an extremely small number of devs assigned to anything dealing with in space eve.

And that saddens me. They are so busy with parts of the game that don't matter near as much....



Incarna-transactions doesn't matter for eve but it matters for the other games they are working on like dust and WOD. They will be able to use that development in the characters and they will be able to make extra money from the mt that come with incarna. That extra money will help them develop Dust and WOD.

CCP left eve behind. If you like it as it is have fun playing it (I did for about 1.5 years) but don't expect them to add anything worthwhile or fix anything. They have their devs assigned to other games.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:02:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content


Fair enough, but.

This is part of the problem.

Every patch. Same story.

Fix bugs, get complaints about no shinny.
Make shinny, get complaints about no bugfixes.

Best just ignore what players say.

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:07:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss


The Dev Blog was received very badly by the playerbase, and to follow was a damage control exercise which focused on low hanging fruit to appease everyone.




this is key i think. they just dont give a damn. i dont understand why they didnt expect a ****storm. this CSM thing will just buy them another year or so. it's behavioural...they have their own agenda, and thats fine. but if they didnt listen the first, second, third, fourth, fifth time, then why do you guys have ANY hope they'll listen this time around?

dicen3
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:11:00 - [76]
 

CPP won't exist by 2013.

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:20:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content in Incarna and additionally nothing of virtue being displayed in the development roadmap at this years FanFest.

With CCP only recently stating that they are just starting to look at gameplay and 0.0 again, I worry that it will be 2013 at the earlist before we see any new content developments or fixes to broken core mechanics. Concerns were raised that Eve development was put on hold for 18 months and there has been little if anything to reassure players and customers that there is a future beyond rehashing of existing content with upgraded turrets and models etc.

Specifically, one year ago, CCP published a Dev Blog titled Iterative development and what's happening in 2011 which outlined the future investment portfolio for development which largely centred on DUST, Incarna, Eve Gate and so forth. There was nothing at all of substance concerning EVE content or fixes to major gameplay issues. Instead, all revenues and investment was being divested into non-Eve projects, or expansions the majority of the player base did not want.

The Dev Blog was received very badly by the playerbase, and to follow was a damage control exercise which focused on low hanging fruit to appease everyone.

I mention this as one year on, the concerns that everyone raised so passionately last year are now realised. Incarna is a shallow expansion which offers only novelty content. I am not specificlaly against increased immersion and will quite happily walk in stations...but not at the expense of stopping all other meaningful development on Eve.

Is there anything that you as CCP can publish that outlines a future that we can look forward to?




They are ditching EVE..
It's obvious..
The latest Monoclown farse is so grossly right in your face and reeks of unprofessionalism that I wouldn't be suprised if it was a scheme or a part of a series of schemes aimed at making EVE players quit quicker while they can grab some buck.
If I am right then imagine how stupid would this make all the monocle owners in the future.

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:22:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: dicen3
CPP won't exist by 2013.


I wouldn't care.
They can sell EVE to anyone who could treat this game better than they did.
Might prove out to be the best thing for EVE after a loooooong time.

Shigeru Potatomoto
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:30:00 - [79]
 

I'm still waiting for them to fix Local---obviously they don't like it being an all-seeing intel tool since they made wormhole channels delayed. Unfortunately, this would be hard on the nullsec crowd that runs CSM so probably not gonna happen.

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:48:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: JMERCENARY on 30/06/2011 15:53:55
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 30/06/2011 15:52:38
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 30/06/2011 15:49:19
Originally by: Telvani
Apocyrpha was the last expansion. From now on we will have nothing (unless you buy dust/WoD)


IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
NOW NEW EVE CONTENT ever, BUT IF YOU WANT EVE RELATED STUFF THEN GO BUY A PS3 AND DUST!

Freaking awfull.
It all adds up now.
All the recent moves to disgrace EVE loyal playerbase with the monocle farse and the timed news about DUST for a failing console.

Pretty much tied to the schedule they have for the internets to degrade in a bunch of tiered mess where the little free content that will be allowed to exist will be a galaxy of questionable blogs keep yapping about some God damn revolution, and that free content being there for only some political agendas to be served.

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.01 10:56:00 - [81]
 

*bumping* in the hope that someone at CCP reads and gives this some thought over the weekend :-)

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:39:00 - [82]
 

CCP wants to claim that incarnatransactions is new eve content. But its pretty clear it is just a way to develop WOD and squeeze more money out of us with MT.

There is no game play in incarna unless you consider pulling your credit card out to pay ccp for virtual clothes game play.

As for me, I'm staying unsubbed until I actually see an expansion that improves the game. And I can tell you that expansion will have to have considerable inspace fixes and content.

Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:44:00 - [83]
 

Eve is currently on a skeleton crew while the rest works on WOD and Dust. So don't hold your breath for any real content any time soon.

Mr Duffo
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:30:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Sk4r
so can we get an answer on the topic CCP ?

i Love EvE but i joined EvE cause of Flying Space ships, not for Walking in stations and/or getting a Shooter if i want to play a Shooter ill join Counterstrike nothing to pay, nothing to worrie about.



yuo know there is undock button?

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:33:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 01/07/2011 15:35:00
Edited by: So Sensational on 01/07/2011 15:32:49
They're introducing Jove space, with Aurum asteroids. Every gate you travel through costs you One Monocle and if you mine for 8 hours you earn 1/34th of a Monocle. Lasers, missiles and autocannons are disabled in this area, drones on combat ships are also disabled. Hybrids still work though, they forgot about them again.

This will be released soon.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:10:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Sir Hillary
I'm constantly baffled at people claiming Incarna had no gameplay content. What it had, and what the main focus of it was in terms of gameplay, was a total overhall of the new player experience. If you go start a new character and play through all of the tutorial stuff again, you'll find it has recieved significant work. Aside from a few tweaks, this expansion was not ever intended to introduce anything new gameplay wise for veteran players, it was supposed to help with the problem of people quitting in confusion/frustration after a few days and get more trials converted into paid accounts. This is not a bad thing. New players are good.

(note I'm only talking about gameplay here, not AUR, Minmatar closets, or CCP hitting the PR self destruct button)


Great. So where's the flood of new players then?

Violine Ming
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:17:00 - [87]
 

No Ships for juuuuu!

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:20:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sir Hillary
I'm constantly baffled at people claiming Incarna had no gameplay content. What it had, and what the main focus of it was in terms of gameplay, was a total overhall of the new player experience. If you go start a new character and play through all of the tutorial stuff again, you'll find it has recieved significant work. Aside from a few tweaks, this expansion was not ever intended to introduce anything new gameplay wise for veteran players, it was supposed to help with the problem of people quitting in confusion/frustration after a few days and get more trials converted into paid accounts. This is not a bad thing. New players are good.

(note I'm only talking about gameplay here, not AUR, Minmatar closets, or CCP hitting the PR self destruct button)


Great. So where's the flood of new players then?
Certainly not by my word of mouth.

Why would I tell my friends and colleagues to check out EVE when I have seen years worth of CCP development SNAFUs, bug lifespans in the form of years and a company that changes its product with the result of major in-game player asset loss / lies about delivered product / siphons current-product income to future projects that may never show value to EVE players?

Bitter vet? Yes.

Semi-captive, dissatisfied customer? Not for long.

Enik3
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:21:00 - [89]
 

You'll get nothing and you'll like it!

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.02 03:33:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Enik3
You'll get nothing and you'll like it!


lets see if the joint statement addresses this at all.


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