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Gashon
Gallente
DEFCON.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:31:00 - [31]
 

*bump*

really hoping for a reply from CCP on this....

StifflersMum
DRUCKWELLE Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:44:00 - [32]
 

*bump*

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:46:00 - [33]
 

probably never

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:48:00 - [34]
 

Do you people not get it? Eve is winding down. It is a testing ground for future games and pricing models. It is not reasonable to expect substantive Eve content.

Fortuna Lights
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:04:00 - [35]
 

Quote:
CCP Hammer
Posted - 2011.05.12 16:07:00 - [32]


Thre priorities after Incarna?
>> The three priorities for CCP after launching Incarna will be launching DUST 514, launching World of Darkness and continuing to improve on EVE.


I hope this answer few questions for those who are still under the illusion that Eve is still in development. Right now CCP is using Eve as a test platform for their future project and as a cash cow to pay all of their developers for the unfinished projects... I truly think that by the time they will be releasing DUST there will be no more Eve universe to share. At least not as it use to be when they first thought about this project.
We will continue to see probably minor adjustments, nerfs and game balances because they can't just close the servers and lose all the money they are generating right now but nothing of substance... maybe just more "beautiful" content like Incarna.

Patricia Mineabuildy
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:05:00 - [36]
 

Fix hybrids

Captain Futur3
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:07:00 - [37]
 

Thats what i am asking for months now! I want proper expansions that i finally can present non eve players as "expansions" instead that they laugh at me when i tell them "look, here another free *expansion*". Its a minor content patch, nothing more!

ThAhAnZeL
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:30:00 - [38]
 


Bump.

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:38:00 - [39]
 

This topic is actually one that always puzzled me. There are so many ships and modules, that with a bit tweaking, could really add a lot gameplay for many players in eve. Ships like the deimos, many t1 frigates, cruisers and alot of other ships as well as many modules, faction modules that are in dire need of balancing. It would take some number juggling and maybe some time on the testserver for proper balancing - but wouldnt it be worth it?

Of course all of eve would welcome overhauls of lowsec, the current sov system and empire wars, but why not start small with ships and mods which would have such a huge impact.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:41:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Tosser Galore on 26/06/2011 19:55:09
Since CCP is committed in the complex challenge to develop and realize WIS and multiplayer enviroments in that context, that will take a lot of focus of FIS. This is the road eve has set upon.

As someone said on the funkybacon radio show; Incarna was first and foremost an expansion for CCP and their MT/new subs scheme. It had nothing what so ever to do with the FIS and the core mechanics of eve. Which is in the focus of the players. Incarna was also skewed towards anti sandbox.

The player base called out CCP on their intentions/scheeming to double dip in your wallet and getting new subs. This is a classic example of company with a self developed unique product that slowed down in developing and throwing money at core game mechanics and instead starts to lean towards monetizing or the cash out phase. Of course it was bound to happen sooner or later.

also: Greed.


Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 26/06/2011 19:58:18
Originally by: Sister Bliss
I suspect that many people like me are completely underwhelemed by the lack of any gameplay content in Incarna and additionally nothing of virtue being displayed in the development roadmap at this years FanFest.

With CCP only recently stating that they are just starting to look at gameplay and 0.0 again, I worry that it will be 2013 at the earlist before we see any new content developments or fixes to broken core mechanics. Concerns were raised that Eve development was put on hold for 18 months and there has been little if anything to reassure players and customers that there is a future beyond rehashing of existing content with upgraded turrets and models etc.

Specifically, one year ago, CCP published a Dev Blog titled Iterative development and what's happening in 2011 which outlined the future investment portfolio for development which largely centred on DUST, Incarna, Eve Gate and so forth. There was nothing at all of substance concerning EVE content or fixes to major gameplay issues. Instead, all revenues and investment was being divested into non-Eve projects, or expansions the majority of the player base did not want.

The Dev Blog was received very badly by the playerbase, and to follow was a damage control exercise which focused on low hanging fruit to appease everyone.

I mention this as one year on, the concerns that everyone raised so passionately last year are now realised. Incarna is a shallow expansion which offers only novelty content. I am not specificlaly against increased immersion and will quite happily walk in stations...but not at the expense of stopping all other meaningful development on Eve.

Is there anything that you as CCP can publish that outlines a future that we can look forward to?




Very well said. And i agree, this is a huge instigator for the situation they are in.

They arent doing much at all to improve EVE, yet they are now trying to soak us for more money.

Its like loose/loose for the playerbase.... A playerbase that stuck by their side through it all.

If they were like working on EVE at all still, i could maybe see some people sticking with them.

But they gave the ifnger to the playerbase, moved all resources to other projects, other potential playerbases, and then on top of all that, want to try and soak us for money.

Yue Rubens
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:32:00 - [42]
 

A new devblog, and a long overdue apology.

Still, not enough - NOT SHUTTING UP ABOUT THIS!

Generous Benefactor
Posted - 2011.06.28 09:35:00 - [43]
 

*bump*

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:11:00 - [44]
 

Incredibly boring content, lack of real updates, lack of real gameplay enhancements, lack of anything of REAL value.

I must admit, in the anger and rage I still feel, that I do not believe in the CSM, that CCP wil do a spin off trick with the CSM to appease them somehow as they keep on in their railroad track of turning this into a fully fledged subscription game with P2W options, that they honestly just want the game to turn to crap for users like me as they goad the gullible and virtual goods friendly people that will happily shell out hundreds of $$$ a year in vanity items as the game stagnates into the fixed non evolving position it is now.

I will remain playing until my sub runs out and will dedicate to emorage in all kind of boards about the disgrace that EVE is ...

UNLESS, out of some miracle or weird parallel reality alternate universe, dark matter tidewave or Hadron Collider mishap, the CSM and CCP actually manage to make ONE SINGLE item available that will show they somewhat listen. Bring the Old Station environment back and completely make CQ optional. IF they simply refuse and FORCE everyone to load Incarna ALL THE TIME, as they said turning CQ off was "TEMPORARY", then the future is clear.

Heck at this stage I will somewhat grumpily accept leaving the disable station environment option permanent, with a better background or something that isnt a depressing door of solitude.

Why oh why they refuse to explain why they made the CQ option to disable it "TEMPORARY" is beyond me, specially for people that DONT want to participate in their lame barbie doll emo monocle farmville game.

I would love to leave in writing so much nauseant filth and hate speech, that I know I will reserve it for the day I would finally quit, but for now, I'm waiting.

I will keep doing everything in my power to spread what is happening here, even if everyone forgets it tomorrow for as long as I live, breathe and can manage to crawl or barely move my fingers in any kind of media <as I have been doing for the past days> , for I must confess, this goes beyond rmt or even the station environment, but it's simply a matter of principle at the breach of trust and outright deceit I have felt for the past days.

Even as I sleep in anger knowing that no one but me might lose sleep over this, it's simply something that goes beyond anything conceivable as my own morals and set of values have been shocked deeply by everything that has transpired here during the last days.

Madness and rage have evolved to a point, which C.S. Lewis described so fondly in the Screwtape Letters, that I am simply changed and am prey of my weakest impulses.

I might even keep playing somehow, just to fuel the everburning hatred seething within me my fellow Capsuleers, for to witness the corruption firsthand is to know the dark glory of the utter void that is the lowest strata of Oblivion itself.

Like Alice Bailey once mentioned, it only takes the smallest of pushes to drive an ordinary person into acts that go beyond him or her.

Like Gurdjieff said, this is the moment where you begin to reverberate under the false school itself, bent on a path of total soultwisting descent.

I only hope, just for the sake of my soul, that I am proven wrong, my brothers.

May the Amarrian God watch over me as I take the plunge into Terra Incognita.

o7

REVOLT! Freedom is YOURS!

Tarinara
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:30:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss
Is there anything that you as CCP can publish that outlines a future that we can look forward to?

I believe they said we're 'Golden Geese'. And we should all quit complaining and start digging deep in those pockets... Laughing

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:42:00 - [46]
 

I'm constantly baffled at people claiming Incarna had no gameplay content. What it had, and what the main focus of it was in terms of gameplay, was a total overhall of the new player experience. If you go start a new character and play through all of the tutorial stuff again, you'll find it has recieved significant work. Aside from a few tweaks, this expansion was not ever intended to introduce anything new gameplay wise for veteran players, it was supposed to help with the problem of people quitting in confusion/frustration after a few days and get more trials converted into paid accounts. This is not a bad thing. New players are good.

(note I'm only talking about gameplay here, not AUR, Minmatar closets, or CCP hitting the PR self destruct button)

Haunting Widow
SKEET ELITE
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:00:00 - [47]
 

Yeah I think it's time we saw some content. It was over a year ago that CCP first told the CSM regarding T3 Subsystems

'Exiting the ship that is being refitted would be a requirement. We will investigate the
feasibility to put this in to the winter expansion.'

How much investigating did CCP do I wonder? Oh wait, let me guess, we'll be charged AUR to change T3 subsystems outside of stations.

How about a small AUR fee to dock and undock? Change ships? Get a clone?

Yes I know these are just ridiculous ideas that I don't honestly believe will happen, but then I never thought CCP would consider MT items either after they TOLD US THEY WOULDN'T.






But seriously.. How long have T3 ships been out? And we know (documented) that CCP said they would look into the T3 subsystem swap issue a year ago in regards to the previous winters expansion.

I almost canceled this post at this point.. but that would be like writing the angry letter and throwing it away, and right now CCP needs to know what is out there in terms of our thoughts, even if they are written from the angry customer perspective... belay that.. especially if they are written from the angry customer perspective.

Yes I know I have irrational content in this post, I've addressed that. I'm just extremely unsatisfied with CCP and EVE Online right now based on broken promises, deceptive half-truths, and outright lies.

We know they lied.. I dare any CCP_*'s to come out and say they didn't lie about MT, I dare you. We know if they even tried to that the playerbase would lay a ****storm onto them and start a whole new thread just for that. So yeah..

unsatisfied

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:04:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: San Severina on 28/06/2011 11:05:12
Originally by: Makalu Zarya
This is actually one of those rare times when me and Bliss can agree on something.

nice post mate

*bump*


I agree, & I would care about this well written OP if I hadn't already decided EvE was finished & cancelled.

Good luck with the future Cool

edit; freebump - is the least I can do for a trip down memory lane, to a time when i really did care!

Zeet A'Dron
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:07:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Jason1138
i saw a CCP employee say on another thread a couple months ago that the next T3's would probably not be released until 2014, so i pretty much agree with you

when you look at the last 3 releases, they've been more focused on removing things and nerfing things than they have introducing anything. The next 2 or 3 seem to be basically walking in stations type stuff, to hear the talk. I would expect a continuing smoke and mirrors performance where CCP shifts things around (like this scanning stuff, or removing social skills) to make it seem as if the game is being updated in major ways, when in reality most of the man hours are going into things that no one wants or cares about

that's why I unsubbed before this "expansion", because its clear we're not going to get any significant content for years, and why do you want to pay maintainence on a game in the hope that 2 years from now it will be good?

I personally don't even mind the microtransactions, it was the total lack of content over the last year (other than incursions), combined with the promise of continuing no content, combined with the outright rudeness and disrespect of the CCP employees that drove me away


I feel quite similar to this. No new content yet we pay and when we do get more content its just enabling us to pay more.

Zeet A'Dron
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:10:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Tarinara
Originally by: Sister Bliss
Is there anything that you as CCP can publish that outlines a future that we can look forward to?

I believe they said we're 'Golden Geese'. And we should all quit complaining and start digging deep in those pockets... Laughing


Yes stfu and look at the shirt you're wearing? Does it have a brandname on it? Then buy some fkin e-pants to go with it you silly sheep.

Haunting Widow
SKEET ELITE
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:10:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Sir Hillary
I'm constantly baffled at people claiming Incarna had no gameplay content. What it had, and what the main focus of it was in terms of gameplay, was a total overhall of the new player experience. If you go start a new character and play through all of the tutorial stuff again, you'll find it has recieved significant work. Aside from a few tweaks, this expansion was not ever intended to introduce anything new gameplay wise for veteran players, it was supposed to help with the problem of people quitting in confusion/frustration after a few days and get more trials converted into paid accounts. This is not a bad thing. New players are good.

(note I'm only talking about gameplay here, not AUR, Minmatar closets, or CCP hitting the PR self destruct button)


They didn't even do that right though either. Or are we assuming that new players bought the higher end machines JUST TO TRY EVE? I ask that because most popular games that might precede eve in a gamers life run much cooler and smoother and on lesser machines than what EVE is currently calling for. My computer is less than 2 years old, and I have my graphics settings reduced at the best of times, turning off CQ was not optional for me if I wanted to still have a computer at the end of the day.

Adaris
E X I U S
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:12:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Sister Bliss


... Instead, all revenues and investment was being divested into non-Eve projects, or expansions the majority of the player base did not want.
...





Thank you for speaking for the majority of the community. Oh wait...

Zeet A'Dron
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:12:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Sir Hillary
I'm constantly baffled at people claiming Incarna had no gameplay content. What it had, and what the main focus of it was in terms of gameplay, was a total overhall of the new player experience. If you go start a new character and play through all of the tutorial stuff again, you'll find it has recieved significant work. Aside from a few tweaks, this expansion was not ever intended to introduce anything new gameplay wise for veteran players, it was supposed to help with the problem of people quitting in confusion/frustration after a few days and get more trials converted into paid accounts. This is not a bad thing. New players are good.

(note I'm only talking about gameplay here, not AUR, Minmatar closets, or CCP hitting the PR self destruct button)


Do you honestly believe that is it more likely they spent their time and energy getting new players more suited to their MT store?

Gillaboo
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:17:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Gillaboo on 28/06/2011 11:19:08


NEW CONTENT:

That should be obvious... it's DUST.

If you were watching the Alliance Tournaments panel discussions -- you know, when Pandemic Legion wasn't getting their asses kicked -- you would have learned from TorfiFrans that CCP views DUST and EVE as the same universe. As time goes on, the degree to which the two games merge into one game will increase -- but player Corps and Alliances will include players in both games.

So there's your content. Like it, love it, or hate it... there it is. ugh

Unless, like me, you don't own a PS3 --- at which point I guess some people will not view DUST as "content" but simply just another reason to EmoRageQuit .... because "ZOMG, CCP is making me buy a PS3...."

I can hear that being screamed by the mouth-breathing, Redbull junkies....

Yeah, okay... TinFoilHats for everyone... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:17:00 - [55]
 

I don't think you will ever see a high-level road map from CCP. Last year I posted the below in the thread mentioned in OP and must admit that I was very naive then.

We now know that the benefits in the Business Case for Incarna has one more entry: income from MT. That income estimate is probably based on the formula listed in the presentation from EA and they give it a LOT of weight. That's another reason why they don't care if they lose a few subs.

Quote:
"Deliver value to your customers early and often! The benefits of agileFs incremental delivery approach are very quantifiable." (http://agile.scumniotales.com/agile-roi/)

it would be interesting to have a look at the factors that influence the Return on Investment (ROI) for Incarna. The ROI would be: Business value (or benefits) minus development effort. The tangible benefits of Incarna would probably be "net increase in subscribers" (new subcribers minus cancelled subs) and <insert potential benefits from Product Owner here>
In addition to the tangible benefits, CCP has probably added a long list of intangible benefits like <insert mumbo-jumbo from Sales & Marketing here>

It is standard project management procedures to review your business case (e.g. the ROI) after each phase (read: Sprint?) of the project, to make sure that you are on track and inform key stakeholders if it's going south.

TL;DR: Customer reactions to CCP Zulu's Dev Blog means that the ROI of Incarna/Dust is probably being looked at again and the more doubt there is about the benefits, the more the business case is crumbling.

<removed wiki text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)

"Deliver value to your customers early and often!" - fix my freakin' rockets... with sugar and honey

Note: i have simplified ROI on purpose (KISS)

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [56]
 

Recent events have been a giant wake up call.

Too me I feel almost as if they have embezzled EvE subscription funds for other things at this point.

I could understand a portion of the money going to develop other games I do. But not how much has been diverted. Why did they not find other ways to fund the project that did not take our fees and subvert them. There must have been investors or partners out there they could have worked with.

If this is how they treat the cash cow/golden goose. EvE is doomed once something else takes that spot.

Thanks for repaying our years of loyalty and money with betrayal CCP.

Solosky
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:24:00 - [57]
 

Do you have any news about 1-2 upcoming weeks? Because after that 3 accounts I paid for until stupid NeX pricing policy implementation and all crap around it - they will expire.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:25:00 - [58]
 

Posting to confirm that Sister Bliss is awsome.

..and +1 to the OP.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:30:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Nullity on 28/06/2011 11:32:08
Originally by: Gashon
*bump*

really hoping for a reply from CCP on this....

I'd love a reply too, but you're unlikely to get anything that isn't some warped idea of content like bars for Incarna.

Umbriele
Gallente
Natural Inventions
Solyaris Chtonium
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:32:00 - [60]
 

I completely agree with you. I play eve since early 2005 and this expansion is the most useless ever. Not only useless, but it creates several problems to gameplay itself. I disabled HQ since I dont want to wait 1000 years each time I dock, with the result that I miss the spinning ship, and each time I want to access drone bay or cargo of active ship, I have to switch hangars.


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