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S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:05:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 25/06/2011 02:07:34
Did the CSM know anything about the forced "Pod decanting" that came with Incarna, and did you try to dissuade CCP from this? This is pretty immersion and lore breaking, not to mention it's annoying to have the CQ forced on us like this.

I like the CQ, but I want to old hangar too... Rolling Eyes

jjnn
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:05:00 - [212]
 

more eve radio chats
ccp pay them
an eve employee to talk on it at least
once a week and let us know what is goin on
or even just to say hi there are 50000 of us

my wish list

Chimaera Abaddon
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:05:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: Chimaera Abaddon on 25/06/2011 02:09:09
I keep wondering about the reasoning for not answering the question (the primary one about P2W). I can understand the potential reason of being restricted by the job/orders from above... But, why not just say that? Why couldn't someone just say, "I'm sorry I can't answer that, but, so-and-so will answer that within this many days." That acknowledges the problem, the players/their concerns and gives people patience as well as a deadline/direction for the Devs to aim for. Silence and dismissal is what's breeding these threadnaroks, right? It just seems amateurish not to do that, or shows a severe lack of trust/respect for the players.

(And just as an aside on communication in general, I started playing in 2005, quit about 3 years ago because of these exact same problems and responses/results to similar events back then. I've been back less than 3 months, I only came back because I was told things were better... And I've felt compelled to suspend my subscriptions after events today because it's damned Deja Vu. It feels like the company has not developed/grown in this important area, at all. That it's more comfortable for the company to lie, hide and deal with fallout, than it is to really engage their players.)

Arya Greywolf
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:05:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: Arya Greywolf on 25/06/2011 02:14:15
Edited by: Arya Greywolf on 25/06/2011 02:10:23
Edited by: Arya Greywolf on 25/06/2011 02:07:26
Essentially boils down to TWO main things.

1) Real money transfer for in game advantage/progression + internal document. CCP Zulu's devblog essentially answered nothing the players wanted answered. Noble Exchange price is very low on the list of things we have problems with right now. EvE is a sandbox, it's not a p2p Japanese craptastic game that only lasts 6 months. It was made clear to the players of EvE by the devs not too long ago that real money for in-game advantage/progression was NEVER going to happen. This internal document coupled with the fact that NO ONE at CCP has answered this question directly is THE MAIN issue that they have to answer. As far as I'm concerned as well as others I'd wager, this is going to be a make or break issue. It changes EvE drastically to the point of it losing its harsh feel that we've come to love. We will view a no answer as a "yes aurum for in-game progression/advantage."

2) FAR MAJORITY wants the old hanger view back. Sure, CQ can be there too, no big deal. But why force it on a player base that overwhelmingly does not care for it? Really, gameplay wise, it's a joke. I'm just baffled that they essentially are phasing out the old view and are even going to take away the option to disable the CQ! THERE IS NO GOOD REASON to do this. There is a simple solution: Give us the old hanger view and put the CQ button on the station services interface - then we can "disembark" our ships and THEN enter/load CQ. This is *SO EASY* to do and will make SO MANY people happy. Why force a barbi doll house on us?

Seriously, how hard can it be to do this:

Originally by: Aganola
Make Everyone Happy
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.



Clearly, roasting individual devs is not going to do anything and is somewhat childish. It's probably that CCP Zulu and Pann can not give us answers because they were told not to. FAIR ENOUGH -- HOWEVER, GIVE US THE DEVELOPERS AND MAKE THEM ANSWER US DIRECTLY!

AeonthePiglet
Ixion Defence Systems
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: AeonthePiglet on 25/06/2011 02:08:08
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

Talk about this.

Frumentarii
Gallente
Bellum Aeternus
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 - [216]
 

To the cast,

The main issue for me is the lack of trust. Trust between players and the developers, and trust between the developers themselves. As a player I have to trust CCP to have the best interests of the game at heart. I have been here for years and seen a bunch of "scandals" as they have taken place, but this one is more of a Category 5 instead of a Tropical Storm.

The last Category 5 was the t20 blueprint scandal, in which the trust between the players and the developers was severely strained. Then, just as now, the crux of the problem was that developers were seen as having their personal interests as more important than the interests of the game in general. Then, they were giving themselves an unfair in-game advantage to print money with t2 ships (t2 Cartels were as bad as Technetium moon are today). Now, they want to give an in-game advantage for real-life money. If anything, the current situation has the potential to be worse.

The devs need to understand that underlying every single expansion, add-on, and new ship model is the belief that CCP is acting in the best interests of the community at large. If that trust is violated, how can I continue to play and enjoy the game if ultimately I know I can't trust the game itself?

Last time people felt their trust was violated, they started a war involving 100,000 players that lasted for 2-3 years.

Allicia Corwin
Gallente
Tiger Knights
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: Allicia Corwin on 25/06/2011 02:09:00
Just one question: what do the protestors in Jita hope to accomplish by shooting a monument?

Edit: I've enjoyed the show so far, it's been enlightening. I've never listened to EVE Radio before--maybe I'll tune in more.

BolsterBomb
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 - [218]
 

PLEASE DO A SHOUT OUT TO MY BOYS IN GAL MIL. WE ARE CURRENTLY GETTING READY TO **** SQUIDS


Mike Jaeger
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 - [219]
 

Question I'd like the panel to explore:

What is CCP's financial state? Do they need the Noble Exchange? Is a PLEX sink necessary? Why don't they just raise the subscription fee if they need/want more revenue?

Also, has there been anything like the current riots and threadnoughts that are occurring right now? Is CCP likely to alter course because of this?

Phenomenal job so far peepz, thanks

Aothereon
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 - [220]
 

Don't like CQ? Unheck [ ] load station environment, and if you don't like vanity items, don't bother looking even at them o.O... Or am I missing something? I remember all of us screaming over "A future vision" video on fanfest and now ppl qq about avatars in game and their dresses ;)

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:07:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Keryth Sylvanus
Edited by: Keryth Sylvanus on 25/06/2011 01:56:31
Funky,

WHY in that PDF was the viewpoint of RMT for in game advantage even represented????

They PROMISED that they would never do that so why is it in their internal documents??

They need to realize that they can't fool us so easy.. They need to show us some respect!


That's easy to answer. They lied.

Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:07:00 - [222]
 

Dinosaurs!

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:08:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Aothereon
Don't like CQ? Unheck [ ] load station environment, and if you don't like vanity items, don't bother looking even at them o.O... Or am I missing something? I remember all of us screaming over "A future vision" video on fanfest and now ppl qq about avatars in game and their dresses ;)


We can uncheck it now. And we can ignore the monocles. We can't ignore MT if it becomes pay to win, and I personally would like to do Incarna only when I want it - now, forever.

Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:08:00 - [224]
 

How can ccp, in your oppinions, rebuild the trust it once had with the community?

Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:08:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Aothereon
Don't like CQ? Unheck [ ] load station environment, and if you don't like vanity items, don't bother looking even at them o.O... Or am I missing something?....


I want back what has been taken away:

QUOTE:
In removing the hangar view, the following functionality has been altered or flushed:
•The ability to activate ships through drag-and-drop.
•The ability to always identify the active ship at a glance.
•The ability to always instantly access ship cargo holds through double-click.
•The ability to always instantly access ship drone bays and specialty-holds (ore, corp hangars, fuel bays) through right-click menus.
•…and, of course, everyone's favourite: ship spinning.

Korbin Dallaz
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:09:00 - [226]
 

CCP decided a while ago that they were going after a different and large audience. They know the current player base will largely not be happy about it and know that many if not most of them will leave eventually over it. They know we will not be happy about the decisions that have already been made and committed to.

They are stuck in a tight spot because they did not want this out now and need our money for a few more months until the new player base picks up and they can abandon us totally.

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:10:00 - [227]
 

Intentional train wreck.

Very true, and we're either watching it as it happens or we're on that train as it's wrecking.

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:10:00 - [228]
 

Sorry I don't think there is backtracking here, there is simply too much CCP put on the line. I'd love it if they promised with sugar on top to not do anything other than vanity items while not creating a club for the super rich isk and cash tossing people to stand out while everyone else looks like a bunch of second class citizens for not jumping on the vanity train.

Dust will introduce mt and pay to play items, how exactly we don't know but suffice it to say it will affect EVE, Pi/sovereignty. The markets are to be linked how are they going to keep dusties from screwing up the market if they are magicking in guns/ships/ammo/etc with cash? That carries over to Eve either we will supply them through industry ourselves, they do it themselves, or they pay to circumvent it and their own industry with cash.

CCP is using EVE to beta test WOD part of that testing is micro transactions or macro transactions. Backtracking on that seems impossible, even promising to not do items from cash can't be made as WOD will problably have that and if not they'd like to consider it. What better way to test that crap than with EVE, they might wait for dust but dust's items will primarily be functional not vanity that is the engine incarna uses and the incarna items are easily transferable to WOd.

You talk about a compromise but I don't see one that doesn't leave us taking their word and ignoring all that we've seen, and heard. The writing is on the wall if it is wrong there needs to be some real action to change the perception and the direction EVE has been taking. At this point for me scrapping Aurum is the starting point, what's the compromise, to that I don't know they say Aurum is here to stay, mt are here to stay, seems we have nothing to talk about.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:10:00 - [229]
 

This is the strategy driving the message.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/yellow2/crimeCycle_1.jpg

Their investors are broke.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:11:00 - [230]
 


AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:11:00 - [231]
 

tl;dr Mittens is a gullible moron. Bring back Mynxee!

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:12:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Maisonian
Dinosaurs!


Yeah. Brontosauruses.

Ga'len
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:12:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: Ga''len on 25/06/2011 02:12:38
So, the new agreement with Sony for Dust514, do you think there are contract obligations that are potentially one of the factors here?

Do we have any idea of what is involved with that agreement?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:13:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Maisonian
Dinosaurs!
Yeah. Brontosauruses.
Didn't that one turn out not to actually exist, but rather be a different dinosaur?

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:13:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Maisonian
Dinosaurs!


Yeah. Brontosauruses.


Apatosaurus. I know, I too was lied to as a little dinosaur fanatic. Sad

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:14:00 - [236]
 

Mittens: 'We tried to ask them but they wouldn't tell us !!!! '

Douche.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:16:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: AkJon Ferguson on 25/06/2011 02:16:32
Please don't say '******ed', my brother is a goon.

Memo for mittens: They ARE going to have gold ammo and gold ships, you ******!

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:16:00 - [238]
 

Kinda kewl to hear from an ex-employee, very interesting to have the perspective.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:16:00 - [239]
 

I had a mate who tried a "premium" **** site once.

It was really **** but expensive and he thought he was a genius.

Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:16:00 - [240]
 

Good points being raised about being broken; back to my question about 'what are the chances of elevated sales for ingame items being put BACK into the game and FIXING the problems plaguing EvE'.



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