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Jofeder
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:04:00 - [2911]
 

Originally by: Akiriy Azuriko
Originally by: Photon Ceray
CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!

Greed is NOOOOOT good!

What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.

A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.

In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.

Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose then and you go bankrupt.


i love this guy +_+


+1

Xii ChenShi
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:07:00 - [2912]
 

... soooo, this look like it's gearing up to be a f2p / item mall game. what a waste.

BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:17:00 - [2913]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
THO
CCP Fallout on Twitter:
i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet



So that means pretty much nothing. Why have CCP employees suddenly become politicians and spin doctors? Is it just because I'm only paying close attention to what they say now they've screwed up?

Wordle
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 - [2914]
 

Originally by: BeauChaotica
Originally by: Angeliq
THO
CCP Fallout on Twitter:
i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet



So that means pretty much nothing. Why have CCP employees suddenly become politicians and spin doctors? Is it just because I'm only paying close attention to what they say now they've screwed up?


CCP's trust with their players has been compromised. Why believe anything they say now?

BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:26:00 - [2915]
 

Originally by: Wordle
Originally by: BeauChaotica
Originally by: Angeliq
THO
CCP Fallout on Twitter:
i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet



So that means pretty much nothing. Why have CCP employees suddenly become politicians and spin doctors? Is it just because I'm only paying close attention to what they say now they've screwed up?


CCP's trust with their players has been compromised. Why believe anything they say now?


Exactly. What he said there was Sony haven't bought them (which is true, obviously) and that they're not discussing a complete buyout, which nobody ever said they were.

Neither of those are statements which dispell anything we thought beforehand. They're statements crafted carefully to give the impression that nothing's going on.

Darik Jita
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:26:00 - [2916]
 

To CCP Zulu: "Not cool"? HTFU.

takkorii
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:29:00 - [2917]
 

Goodbye CCP/EVE... you just lost sov., sbu'z have been deployed.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [2918]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: Orkasm
Its been 2 days CCP, Where is your reply?



Many pages back and I believe in this thread, but it might have been in a different one, a comment was made that there were only 2 CCP people there and that folks should save this until Monday...

Of course that's not a verbatim quote because I've read through too many blogs and posts and pages since I saw it, but I do remember seeing it. :)

o/
K.S.




No phones in Iceland?

Maybe CCP is going to let the CSM decide where it can and can't make money. :-)



They lost em during the t20 incident when no member of senior staff could be reached because of being on vacation.....


Cain Anung
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [2919]
 

Edited by: Cain Anung on 26/06/2011 18:46:31
Sweet Jebus
The drama and inuendo of this is reaching epic proportions. So pardon my swahili:
ITS A SODDING GAME! Let´s not blow things out of proportion.

Ofcourse there will be some serious thinking going on, at CCP. But I wont beleive they have the intention to ruin the game. Thats just illogical, and will benefit no one. Least of all CCP.
That said, they made a giant "turd in the sandbox". Now they should concentrate on scooping it up. Lets at least give them the time to do that.
On the Sony-topic: Maybe it would be a good thing, to have Sony´s Proffesionals, take over the management of CCP, on the administrative level. Then the CCP´s can concentrate on making the game better, instead of finding more funds, for their enormous ambitions.
And to the more aggressive and personal responders. Seriously: Calm down, fellas. If you shout at your waiter, youll get a little present in your meal. Its counter-productive, to keep making conspiracies, accusations and threats, of a dubious nature.
Kind Regards

Xii ChenShi
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:43:00 - [2920]
 

Originally by: Cain Anung
Sweet Jebus
The drama and inuendo of this is reaching epic proportions. So pardon my swahili:
ITS A SODDING GAME!

Ofcourse there will be some serious thinking going on, at CCP. But I wont beleive they have the intention to ruin the game. Thats just illogical. That said, they made a giant "turd in the sandbox". Now they should concentrate on scooping it up. Lets at least give them the time to do that.
On the Sony-topic: Maybe it would be a good thing, to have Sony´s Proffesionals, take over the management of CCP, on the administrative level. Then the CCP´s can concentrate on making the game better, instead of finding more funds, for their enormous ambitions.
And to the more aggressive and personal responders. Seriously: Calm the *bip* down, fellas. If you shout at the waiter, youll get a little present in your meal. Its counter-productive, to keep making conspiracies, of a dubious nature.
Kind Regards



... the waiter has already put the surprise in the meal, and got caught... thats what this is about.

Cain Anung
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 - [2921]
 

Edited by: Cain Anung on 26/06/2011 18:54:14
How do you know? It was an internal letter, for christ sake. Trust in the good dev´s at CCP to have intervened, if that prospect would have come to fruition. Internal letters always carry a more direct approach, in the lingo. Pretty common practice, in companies. If they really went through with it, then Id be just as ****ed, and would definately unsub. But imo, this whole thing keeps getting fueled by guess-work, assumptions and poor management, from CCP. That, I think, is the consensus.
Im just saying: Give them a chance, and give them REAL feedback, they can actually act upon.
But Id like to make it clear: I also think this CCP screwed up, in a major way. Hope to hell they can make some changes to their administration and the loyalty-issue.

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:16:00 - [2922]
 

OK CCP you win.

It is quite obvious you could not say "We will never sell non-vanity items".

My subs have been in cancellation status for 3 days and there is no chance that will ever change now.

I can unequivocally state that I will never put another dime into your company again.

I can also unequivocally state that I will never advise nor reccomend to anyone that they do so either.

My ranting and protest are done, you win.

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:44:00 - [2923]
 

Came here expecting answers left disappointed good job CCP.

P.S. any tip where can i get 20%coupon on 1000$ jeans is greatly appreciated.

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 - [2924]
 

Originally by: Mina Sebiestar
Came here expecting answers left disappointed good job CCP.

P.S. any tip where can i get 20%coupon on 1000$ jeans is greatly appreciated.


.. in case you still haven't seen the most recent statement here is a copy/paste of it:
(p.s.... don't look for any real answers)

The tone and demeanor of my blog on Friday did not correctly portray my emotions towards the community and player base at large. I love and respect EVE and its community on a level that's hard to really do justice in words. However I let my frustration take charge of me, fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days. I know that sounds ironic considering those are the exact same feelings you have been having towards CCP.

For that I am sorry.

Having cooled off a bit and taken a solemn look at the situation, I see it's clear we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship. There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes.

Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.

The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.

However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.

Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

Thank you for your patience,

Arnar Hrafn Gylfason

Senior Producer of EVE Online

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:18:00 - [2925]
 

CCP Zulu…. The tone and demeanour of my blog on Friday ….... fuelled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days …..


(you had 2 spelling mistakes..ffs)

Umm hold on, this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the “ players are the game sandbox” or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players?

IF the latter, what trust did we breach, trust in CCP?, you must be in DENIAL, what trust, its you who have broken your promises and betrayed the player base, the only trust u have in us is that we like your product, aka sandbox, and will pay a sum to build in it, you turn it into a litter tray, we won´t any more we´ll protest and leave, the only trust we had you betrayed.

I like many joined eve not because it was easy but, and this is a very important but, because it was hard, complex, unforgiving and a very long term commitment, I had a look and knew on day one that this sandbox of yours was going to occupy me what whats probably left of my life, it was who dies first, eve or me.

Eve is/was full of bright, intelligent people, it still is, the player base care more about CCP than most of your directors and major shareholders, and whats more its individual and collective intelligence far outstrips any resource CCP could ever acquire or contract on the marketplace.

We understand that CCP should have other products, we made CCP successful enough to takeover/merge with WW, we understood that WiS was the making of the ambulation and box engine for and WoD, we were more than happy to keep shoveling you cash because it was good for eve and CCP. What we did not expect as you promised it would not happen is MT in eve, yes develop the method for WoD, but introducing it into eve is CCP breaking trust with the eve community.

IF you had waited with the NeX until Dust was in Beta it would have been an excellent way to pay for planetary ops, but you went and made a derivatives engine that evaporates a company liability, aka PLEX.

You don´t understand, your games company has turned into a short term cash grab machine, those investors who we were told were games players gave what we now know was only an illusion of trust that they thought like we did, however it turns out that their games have us as their pixels and they don´t give a **** about us, you, or your grandmothers, all they crave is money and power, they don´t respect you they never have.

P.S. I have just used a PLEX to reactivate my account so I could post this, I did you a favor, I decreased your liability, you have 29 days to explain where the company is going, the players are your product more so than the game, you guys seem to have forgotten that.


P.P.S, i log in and find a bot in system that i´m going to have to pop days after i reported it, just send a GM to test them, them pop them back into a clone vat, or u jelli

Iackus
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:30:00 - [2926]
 

Alright, I'm tired of people using WE, I'm really starting to hate that word, none of you speak for the entirety of the game community, none of you, so stop acting like you do, I for one am still perfectly happy with playing EVE and will continue to do so, overreacting to leaked INTERNAL newsletters and e-mails is idiotic as they are just that. Zulu even said that it was meant to be exaggerated and brought out so a logical player reaction could be expected, and as the e-mail states, the reaction to this is nothing short of exactly that, expected. But I digress, you idiotic protesters, stop talking and acting like you represent the entirety of the community, because you don't.

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:37:00 - [2927]
 

Edited by: Mina Sebiestar on 26/06/2011 20:36:51
^you need tissue or something?

glass of water maybe?

geez.

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:46:00 - [2928]
 

Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
... this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the “ players are the game sandbox” or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players? ...
Or, just perhaps, he feels that someone inside CCP fired a couple of Citadel Torpedoes when "Fearless" and the email from Hilmar were leaked. That was one hell of a breach of trust.

Consortium Agent
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:48:00 - [2929]
 

Originally by: Danly Steel
Hey, I'm struttin' right now. Got my $1K jeans on, got my monocle in position, got my . . . um . . . got my ship hung up on a mission acceleration gate and can't warp because stupid physics are less important than monocles to CCP. How can a spaceship get hung up on asteroids and gates?--maybe the pricey jeans pockets are catching something.

Remember, mates. In space, no one can hear your jeans.


Well played sir, well played. I'm ROFLMAO.

Consortium Agent
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:56:00 - [2930]
 

Originally by: Iackus
Alright, I'm tired of people using WE, I'm really starting to hate that word, none of you speak for the entirety of the game community, none of you, so stop acting like you do, I for one am still perfectly happy with playing EVE and will continue to do so, overreacting to leaked INTERNAL newsletters and e-mails is idiotic as they are just that. Zulu even said that it was meant to be exaggerated and brought out so a logical player reaction could be expected, and as the e-mail states, the reaction to this is nothing short of exactly that, expected. But I digress, you idiotic protesters, stop talking and acting like you represent the entirety of the community, because you don't.


We... oops... I apologize for using the word 'we'. 'We', in this case, represents the majority view and is by no means meant to infer that all pod pilots feel the same way. 'We' are happy you brought this to 'our' attention and 'we' will try to refrain from hurting your delicate sensibilities by using the word 'we' to represent the majority player view on this topic.

'We' now return you to your crib with the other uneducated babies and hope that this is an acceptable compromise for the fact that 'we' shall continue to refer to the majority player view as 'we'. Thank you for your understanding.

Wordle
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:10:00 - [2931]
 

Originally by: Iackus
Alright, I'm tired of people using WE, I'm really starting to hate that word, none of you speak for the entirety of the game community, none of you, so stop acting like you do, I for one am still perfectly happy with playing EVE and will continue to do so, overreacting to leaked INTERNAL newsletters and e-mails is idiotic as they are just that. Zulu even said that it was meant to be exaggerated and brought out so a logical player reaction could be expected, and as the e-mail states, the reaction to this is nothing short of exactly that, expected. But I digress, you idiotic protesters, stop talking and acting like you represent the entirety of the community, because you don't.


Go back to World of Warcraft, seriously.

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:13:00 - [2932]
 

Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:14:12

Originally by: Julian Kirov

Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win




This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!

This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.


Draconian Arcane
Bastards Of New Eden
Damned Nation
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:26:00 - [2933]
 

CCP Zulu,

The Lonely Island wants to punch your $1k jeans...

The Lonely Island - Punch you in the jeans

-= Fail Whale =- FTW

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:36:00 - [2934]
 

Originally by: Mintala Arana
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
... this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the “ players are the game sandbox” or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players? ...
Or, just perhaps, he feels that someone inside CCP fired a couple of Citadel Torpedoes when "Fearless" and the email from Hilmar were leaked. That was one hell of a breach of trust.


yeah, but that trust was forfeit when they decided to LIE to the customer base (its fraud) so it was waiting to happen... the Hilmar email is legit which reinforces the opinions for discussion in greed is good are actual company policy that they are implementing. Players are too smart to not understand that, no bull**** can cover it up, so many players have far more business experience and see thru the cover up that it was a discussion document, fools we are not. Whoever leaked the stuff did CCP a favour, it burst the bubble and probably will save the company.

IF he did really care his upset would be with the board, eve runs at a profit a very healthy profit, they just put that and his and 700 peoples job at risk by misrepresenting the companies direction and revenue model for eve.

Gibbo3771
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:45:00 - [2935]
 

all I read was a high long paragraph that could have had a tl;dr "mt are happening, an the newsletter was false, deal with the fkin prices. "

So you want to shower us with sh!te, how about a direct fuk you from yours truly, Gibbo.

Customer comes first, that motor obviously died around the office a long time ago

Void Silverspar
Nephite Rangers
Zero Hour Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:54:00 - [2936]
 

Edited by: Void Silverspar on 27/06/2011 10:58:25
I don't post much on the forums, I don't have heaps of free time, and when I do have free time, I'd rather play EVE.

I'm underwhelmed by the last patch, but the only thing that brought me here to post is this:
ArrowIf you blow my ship up because you have better skills, tactics or knowledge, that's great, I learn from my loss and come back.
ArrowIf you blow up my ship because you spent more RL money than me, and have an advantage that's not available to me with my RL budget. Then I'm not interested in devoting any more time to this game. I already paid a monthly fee.

<edit TL>

Iackus
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:58:00 - [2937]
 

Sure, if you nerdragers go back to TF2.

Blu3Jay
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:08:00 - [2938]
 

Originally by: OldPueblo
I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc

Alexis Aaryan
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:08:00 - [2939]
 

Originally by: OldPueblo
I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc

Joker Deville
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:09:00 - [2940]
 

Originally by: OldPueblo
I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc


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